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A93576 The hidden things of Esau brought to light, and reproved in an answer to a book intituled A true relation of a dispute between Francis Fulwood, minister of West Alvington, in the county of Devon, and Thomas Salthouse, as it is said, of the county of Westmerland, before the congregation of them called Quakers, in the house of Henry Pollexpher Esquire, in the said parish of West. Published in the truth's defence, and sent abroad in the world, to pursue the unknown authors imperfect relation. By a follower of the Lamb in the war against the Beast and false prophet, known to the world by the name of Thomas Salthouse. Salthouse, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1657 (1657) Wing S473; Thomason E912_4; ESTC R204852 26,539 40

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hide and uphold Book There were some things very remarkable and the cunning craftiness of the Quaker was such That do what Mr. Fulwood could to force him to it he still found some trick or other to evade the maintaining those passages of dangerous consequence which he let fall in his first discourse which were not a few and which he took notice Mr. Fulwood wrote down Answ O ye deceitful Craftsmen and false Accusers what were these passages of dangerous consequence was it declaring against sin and exhorting to purity and holiness to minde the light and take up the Cross and follow Christ in the straight way or was it the laying open the deceit of the false Prophets hirelings and such as say they are Ministers of Christ and are not such as are called of Men Master take the cheif Seats in the Assemblies uppermost rooms at Feasts and whose hearts are exercised with covetous practises and have forsaken the right way and are gone in the way of Cain and run greedily after the error of Balaam for gifts and rewards If he that you call Mr. Fulwood wrote down any thing of dangerous consequence it had been his duty or yours in this Relation to have published them that so they might have been avoided and the Author ashamed for you say this was published out of a sincere desire that truth might be cleared and error ashamed And here you have added another lye to say That I took notice that Mr. Fulwood wrote down those passages of dangerous consequence for I did not see him nor any other write any thing that day of that discourse which I was moved of the Lord to speak not fearing all that came to oppose themselves Although I were sensible there were many that day come together to lie in wait to catch me in my words and if I had seen any write down what I said that day I had no cause to be afraid nor ashamed knowing that I have a witness in all your consciences that heard me even the Authors of his Book though they manifested themselves to be my subtil Adversaries their cunning will deceive them in the end as their deceit comes to be laid open by the light which makes manifest every mans work of what sort it is Book 2. He took all occasions to bring the dispute to such points as lay in difference between us and the Anabaptists that thus he might engage the Anabaptists with himself which indeed he effected the greatest advantage he got that day Answ Have you no other resuge but lies to shelter under what occasion took I to engage the Anabaptists both they and most of the company then present saw the deceit of Francis Fulwood that day and many of them declared against it I utterly deny that I endeavored to engage any further then the truth convinced them neither did I fear any that did engage against me And if the Lord raised up a witness in those you call Anabaptists or any others to contend for the truth against your deceit let him have the glory I admire no mans person because of advantage and if Francis Fulwood lost the advantage that day with your assistance or likely with the help of his Brethren of the Craft he may think to regain what he then lost by enlarging upon his confused Answers and Arguments and diminishing and wresting my Answers Replies and Arguments that day made in the truths defence but neither yours nor the as formed weapons shall prosper your refuge of lies the Lord will sweep away Book 3. That upon every stand or difficulty he continually fled unto the common Refuge of Hireling taking Tithes c. Answ It s a better refuge then lies to flie unto did not the true Prophets Ministers and Messengers of Christ declare against hirelings such as divined for money bare rule by their means sought for their gain from their quarter and against covetous proud heady high-minded men Is Francis Fulwood guilty of any of these If so let him repent in time and turn you from him if not neither he nor you need be offended at me nor account it too grateful a discourse to any Book 4. Although he first urged to have the express words of Scripture to be the rule of the dispute c. Answ You still flie to your old refuge which cannot long stand to wit lies look back to the third remarkable thing as you call it and compare it with this and your contradictions and confusions will appear remarkable indeed Did not you there say that in every stand I fled to the common refuge of Tithes Hirelings Diviners for money c. which are express words of Scripture and are you now so impudent as to say that I did not so much as once keep so exactly to the express words of Scripture Here you have given an opportunity sufficiently to discover and lay open your folly Book 5. Yet his cunning deceived him in that as is most remarkable The very Texts which he urged as before noted afforded so direct and plain Answers upon every occasion that he had no room left for any colourable Reply Answ What can you not open your mouths without lying I need give no other answer to this but appeal to all those that heard the dispute whose judgments are not captivated with prejudice Where are those plain Answers how is it you had not set down some of them in that which you call a true Relation A Reply that had not given satisfaction might stand for a colour but as troups of Robbers that lay in wait to murder by consent you bend your tongues for lies and shoot out your arrows even bitter words Book 6. Lastly And which did justly amaze us how boldly and with what inforcing Repetitions did Mr. Fulwood challenge him to set down his opinions and engage that thereupon he would at the next meeting bring Papists Books c. Answ All opinions and sects I deny neither can I remember at present that I heard him speak of writing down any but my principles what I owned and disowned I freely declared that day which neither be nor you hath or can disprove that dispute being the Fourteenth day of the Moneth called October 1656. I had three meetings the same Moneth one at the house of Henry Pollexphen aforesaid on the Six and twentieth day another the Seven and twentieth at Batson and another the Eight and twentieth at Kingsbridge of which its likely Francis Fulwood had notice For Nicholas Tripe in whose house the Meeting then was informed me that he sent a Messenger to him with a Message to this purpose That if he were dissatisfied in any thing in the forementioned discourse he might have free liberty to come into his house and be answered to what he had to object which was done at my request Let his practise and mine be judged by the Light which is nearer to Popery and who it was that fainted Book The Lord awaken us betime
least we say peace peace when sudden destruction cometh Answ Let him that nameth the name of the Lord depart from iniquity for none calls Jesus Lord but by the Holy Ghost What have you to do to take his name into your mouths and thus bend your tongues for lies and hate to be reformed upon you that are asleep will the day of the Lord come as a theif in the night even as sudden destruction from the Almighty Therefore arise and be awakened and prepare to meet the Lord by repentance that if peradventure the thoughts of your hearts may be forgiven you For the Lord hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ and with equity will he plead the cause of the innocent against whom you make war and shoot your arrows in secret fear and tremble weep and howl for the misery that is coming upon you in flames of fire will God render vengeance upon his adversaries out of Heaven will he thunder upon them and they shall be even broken to peeces as the Vessel of a Potter is broken with a rod of Iron In vain do ye pot-sheards of the Earth strive to set Bryers and Thorns in battle your formed weapons cannot prosper a consumption is even determined upon the whole Earth and every mans work is to be tried by fire that the approved of God may be made manifest Can ye contend with the Almighty before whom all Nations are as the drop of a Bucket or as the small dust of the ballance Give over stop your mouths let all flesh be silent before the Lord. Come down and sit in the dust you that are high and lifted up and meet the Judge by the way Kiss the Son least he be angry and lay down your Crown at the feet of the Lamb and let the Lord be your fear and let him be your dreads and let the light of Christ in your consciences try your words and works and cease from your blinde Leaders that have used their tongues and not profited the people And while you have the light believe in the light and know while the Spirit of the Lord strives with you resist not his power lest your Bonds be made strong and you for ever shut up in utter darkness A price is put into your hands the Lord will not the death of a sinner the times of ignorance God winked at but now he calls all men every where to repent Call not this the railing discourse but take it as a Call to you and a warning from the Lord by a servant of the Truth made willing by the power of God to follow the Lamb wheresoever he goeth Thomas Salthouse Francis Fulwood TO the substance of what passed between thee and me in the discourse upon the Four and twentieth day of the Eight Moneth 1656. in the house of Henry Pollexphen which its like thou wast not unacquainted with the Printing of if no the cheifest actor I shall return something in Answer for the Truth 's vindication especially to the particulars of most concernment which I call to minde since I saw this Relation As first After I had spoken to the people that day as I was moved and directed by the Spirit of Truth then a Friend of mine being moved also stood up according to the order in the Churches of the Saints and spoke to the people then present to whom I gave liberty the spirits of the Prophets being made subject to the Prophets And as thou mayest remember thy first Objection was against her for saying Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures The second thing was a Quere by me propounded to thee which I yet received no satisfactory Answer unto from thee The third thing was an Objection made by thee against me for expressing as I was declaring to the people That those who are out of the Doctrine of Christ as they were then described by their fruirs and marks were such as Preach another Gospel then that which the Apostle had preached and so under the curse as it is written Gal 1. The fourth thing was about the light spoken of in Johns Declaration and something concerning Tithes Fifthly Concerning Baptism and the words thee and thou which many are offended at as they are and were given and taken by the servants of God one to another as we read in the Scriptures of Truth To these things in order as God doth direct I shall for the truths sake answer and as for the other passages in the Relation not worth the taking notice of or repeating over again I shall let them stand and wither as an untimely birth begotten by one of the adulterate generation and brought forth of the womb of consusion I might have written down a gross sum of lies but it feems the Authors were pricked at the heart when they saw what they had done and so to hide themselves have concealed their names from the visible eye of man But this Cave of earthly subtilty will not long hide them from the All-seeing eye of him with whom we have to do If thou be one of their confederacy fear and tremble before the Lord and come forth to the Light that thou mayst be proved and tried and be not thou called of men Master but learn of Jesus Christ to be meek and lowly take up his Cross and follow him and side not longer with the Chief Priests against him and his Ministers whom he hath sent forth as sheep among wolves to reprove sin in the Gates and to preach Repentance that people may be turned from the darkness to the light and from under Satans power unto God who hath appointed a day in the which he will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel To the first of these particulars I shall proceed Thy first Objection which the Book also mentions against the Woman is as follows Fulwood I Have one word first unto this woman that spake last and that is to charge her with speaking expresly against the Scripture She told us that Eternal life was not to be found in the Scriptures whereas the Apostle saith expresly that the holy Scriptures are able to make wise unto salvation Answ The Scripture is plain for what she intended John 5. Search the Scriptures for in them ye think to have eternal life and they are they that testifie of me saith Christ But ye will not come unto me that you may have life And again he saith I am the Way the Truth and the Life and he that hath the Son hath life and he that hath not the Son hath not life although he may have the Scriptures 2 Cor. 4.10 For the Minister of Christ waited for and witnessed the life of Christ manifested in his mortal Body and travailed again in birth with others till Christ the Life was formed in them I in them and they in me saith Christ John 17. And Christ in you the Hope