Linguistic DNA - Concept Modelling Demonstrator

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	day_n	lord_n	see_v	3,711	5	3.5921	3	true

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90523	A defence of church-government, exercised in presbyteriall, classicall, & synodall assemblies; according to the practise of the reformed churches: touching I. The power of a particular eldership, against those that plead for a meere popular government, specially Mr Ainsvvorth in his Animadversion to Mr Clyft. &c. II. The authority of classes and synods, against the patrons of independencie: answering in this poynt Mr Davenport his Apologeticall reply, &c. and Mr Canne his Churches plea, &c, sent forth first by W. Best, and afterwards for this part of it, under the title of Syons prerogative royall. By Iohn Paget, late able and faithfull pastour of the Reformed English Church in Amsterdam. Hereunto is prefixed an advertisement to the Parliament, wherein are inserted some animadversions on the Cheshire Remonstrance against Presbytery: by T.P.	Paget, John, d. 1640.; Paget, Thomas, d. 1660.	1641 (1641)	Wing P166; Thomason E117_1; ESTC R16734	348,418	298

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not_o only_o in_o private_a but_o in_o 40._o in_o animadv_n p._n 40._o public_a consultation_n also_o yea_o beside_o this_o you_o acknowledge_v further_o that_o 41._o that_o ibid._n p._n 39_o 41._o the_o great_a error_n heresy_n schism_n &_o evil_n have_v both_o arisen_a &_o be_v continue_v by_o the_o elder_n that_o sometime_o they_o be_v blind_a guide_n and_o without_o understanding_n and_o oftentimes_o they_o differ_v in_o counsel_n among_o themselves_o and_o thus_o in_o doubtful_a case_n man_n become_v more_o doubtful_a by_o their_o counsel_n and_o so_o have_v the_o more_o need_n to_o consult_v among_o themselves_o if_o therefore_o this_o duty_n of_o give_v counsel_n do_v lie_v upon_o the_o people_n and_o they_o be_v bind_v unto_o it_o this_o work_n alone_o be_v common_a to_o other_o with_o the_o elder_n can_v not_o show_v the_o double_a honour_n &_o maintenance_n

he_o carry_v from_o the_o consistory_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o those_o cause_n between_o blood_n &_o blood_n between_o law_n &_o commandment_n statute_n &_o judgement_n which_o be_v defer_v to_o the_o levite_n the_o priest_n etc._n etc._n answ._n i._o it_o be_v here_o also_o to_o be_v note_v how_o instead_o of_o disprove_v that_o which_o i_o say_v and_o instead_o of_o show_v any_o dissimilitude_n of_o the_o question_n bring_v unto_o the_o classis_fw-la from_o those_o bring_v unto_o the_o judicatories_n deut._n 17.2_o chron._n 19_o he_o leave_v his_o accusation_n without_o proof_n ii_o as_o for_o the_o proof_n he_o require_v it_o be_v most_o plain_a and_o evident_a from_o the_o place_n allege_v for_o in_o they_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o about_o whatsoever_o cause_n there_o be_v any_o strife_n or_o contention_n in_o israel_n it_o may_v be_v bring_v unto_o the_o judicatories_n there_o mention_v all_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n all_o matter_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v to_o be_v bring_v unto_o the_o ecclesiastical_a senate_n over_o which_o amariah_n be_v precedent_n all_o civil_a affair_n all_o matter_n of_o the_o king_n be_v to_o be_v bring_v unto_o the_o civil_a judgement_n over_o which_o zebadiah_n be_v precedent_n 2._o chron._n 19.11_o and_o what_o controversy_n can_v there_o be_v in_o any_o church_n or_o estate_n that_o may_v not_o be_v reduce_v to_o one_o of_o these_o junius_n in_o his_o exposition_n of_o these_o place_n 11._o place_n anal._n expl._n &_o annot_n on_o deut._n 17.8_o &_o 2._o chron._n 19.8_o 11._o plain_o distinguish_v these_o cause_n &_o question_n on_o this_o manner_n again_o whereas_o 2._o chron._n 19_o vers_fw-la 10._o there_o be_v express_v and_o general_a mention_n of_o any_o cause_n whatsoever_o about_o which_o there_o may_v be_v controversy_n between_o law_n &_o commandment_n statute_n &_o judgement_n i_o will_v demand_v of_o mr_n dau._n what_o cause_n can_v be_v except_v or_o exempt_v from_o these_o judicatories_n be_v there_o ever_o any_o controversy_n or_o any_o contention_n in_o any_o church_n which_o have_v not_o reference_n to_o some_o law_n or_o commandment_n and_o see_v mr_n dau._n himself_n in_o these_o dispute_n pretend_v the_o law_n and_o commandment_n against_o we_o do_v not_o these_o question_n therefore_o be_v of_o such_o nature_n belong_v unto_o such_o judicatories_n see_v judicatory_n be_v therefore_o original_o institute_v to_o take_v away_o strife_n &_o dissension_n as_o in_o civil_a cause_n deut._n 1.12_o so_o also_o in_o ecclesiastical_a deut._n 17.2_o chron._n 19_o and_o withal_o see_v the_o cause_n in_o question_n etc._n etc._n have_v be_v special_a mean_n and_o cause_n of_o discord_n among_o we_o why_o shall_v not_o these_o matter_n be_v bring_v unto_o these_o judicatories_n for_o trial_n and_o judgement_n as_o well_o as_o other_o and_o therefore_o whether_o those_o scripture_n above_o mention_v have_v be_v by_o i_o misapply_v or_o not_o i_o leave_v to_o the_o consideration_n of_o they_o that_o be_v able_a to_o judge_v chap._n iii_o the_o second_o argument_n take_v from_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n matth._n 18_o 15-20_a the_o second_o argument_n be_v take_v from_o that_o rule_n of_o discipline_n deliver_v by_o christ_n unto_o his_o disciple_n for_o the_o government_n of_o his_o church_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n mat._n 18.15_o 16_o 17_o 18_o 19_o 20._o from_o this_o rule_n we_o may_v reason_v divers_a way_n and_o chief_o thus_o if_o this_o rule_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o same_o that_o be_v prescribe_v unto_o israel_n of_o old_a and_o be_v translate_v from_o the_o jew_n synagogue_n unto_o the_o christian_a church_n then_o be_v not_o these_o church_n independent_a then_o be_v they_o not_o single_a uncompounded_a policy_n then_o be_v not_o all_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n limit_v within_o the_o compass_n of_o particular_a congregation_n then_o can_v appeal_n unto_o superior_a judicatories_n be_v just_o deny_v but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o also_o the_o assumption_n of_o this_o argument_n be_v deny_v by_o many_o kind_n of_o opposite_n h._n barrow_n cry_v out_o against_o it_o 76._o it_o refut_o of_o giff._n p._n 76._o be_v it_o likely_a or_o possible_a that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n will_v fetch_v his_o pattern_n for_o the_o elder_n of_o his_o church_n &_o the_o execution_n of_o these_o high_a judgement_n from_o that_o corrupt_a degenerate_a synedrion_n of_o the_o jew_n which_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o god_n be_v mere_o civil_a and_o not_o ordain_v for_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a as_o appear_v exod._n 18._o num._n 11._o deut._n 1._o the_o priest_n bear_v the_o charge_n &_o have_v the_o decide_n of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n num._n 18._o deut._n 17._o but_o this_o council_n of_o they_o be_v now_o mix_v of_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n and_o the_o priest_n &_o handle_v all_o cause_n both_o civil_a &_o ecclesiastical_a indifferent_o matt._n 26.3_o act._n 4.5_o how_o 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other_o bishop_n at_o the_o synod_n hold_v at_o rome_n for_o the_o censure_n of_o apollinaris_n and_o timotheus_n his_o disciple_n and_o by_o his_o theoph._n his_o amb._n tom._n 3._o epi._n l._n 10._o ep_n 78._o ad_fw-la theoph._n exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n and_o other_o to_o judge_v the_o cause_n of_o euagrius_n and_o flavianus_n be_v depute_v thereunto_o by_o the_o synod_n of_o capua_n and_o again_o by_o his_o any_o his_o ib._n epi._n 79._o ad_fw-la theoph_n &_o any_o exhortation_n give_v unto_o theophilus_n &_o anysius_n that_o they_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o same_o synod_n of_o capua_n will_v give_v sentence_n touch_v bonosus_n and_o his_o accuser_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o synod_n have_v give_v this_o authority_n unto_o they_o and_o they_o do_v now_o supply_v the_o place_n thereof_o with_o ambrose_n he_o join_v patr_n join_v in_o orat_fw-la fun_n de_fw-fr patr_n nazianzen_n to_o testify_v also_o that_o a_o senate_n or_o assembly_n of_o elder_n do_v with_o spiritual_a 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that_o be_v fall_v iii_o how_o he_o allow_v the_o order_n of_o convocate_a and_o assemble_v neighbour_n bishop_n about_o the_o create_v of_o a_o new_a bishop_n affirm_v this_o to_o be_v caesarien_n be_v epi._n 30._o ad_fw-la caesarien_n right_a and_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a law_n iv_o how_o he_o in_o his_o counsel_n and_o exhortation_n unto_o the_o synod_n at_o constantinope_n 8._o constantinope_n theod._n hist_o eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 8._o asscribe_v unto_o they_o authority_n and_o power_n for_o his_o own_o dimission_n and_o translation_n for_o the_o set_n of_o another_o unblameable_a bishop_n in_o his_o place_n and_o thereby_o withal_o for_o the_o deposition_n and_o abdication_n of_o maximus_n which_o be_v according_o perform_v that_o which_o may_v with_o more_o colour_n be_v object_v out_o of_o nazianzen_n against_o the_o use_n of_o synod_n and_o which_o be_v also_o allege_a both_o by_o mr_n can_n and_o by_o mr_n davenp_n though_o not_o direct_o against_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n be_v yet_o so_o bring_v in_o by_o the_o way_n as_o may_v cause_v a_o simple_a reader_n to_o stumble_v thereat_o the_o word_n of_o nazianzen_n as_o mr_n can_n 93._o can_n ch._n pl._n p._n 93._o allege_v they_o be_v these_o procop._n these_o ep._n 42._o ad_fw-la procop._n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n answ._n i._n observe_v how_o mr_n c._n mistranslate_v those_o word_n of_o nazianzen_n ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d which_o he_o render_v as_o signify_v pass_v my_o speech_n whereas_o they_o signify_v prevayl_v more_o than_o reason_n as_o 225._o as_o apo._n tep_n p._n 225._o mr_n dau._n do_v right_o translate_v they_o but_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o mr_n can_n shall_v mistake_v that_o which_o some_o more_o learned_a have_v do_v before_o grosser_n fault_n be_v more_o common_a with_o he_o ii_o as_o for_o the_o testimony_n of_o nazianzen_n the_o answer_n of_o d._n whitaker_n may_v give_v sufficient_a satisfaction_n who_o say_v 15._o say_v de_fw-fr conc_fw-fr qu._n 1._o c._n 3._o p._n 13.14_o 15._o it_o may_v seem_v strange_a that_o nazianzen_n deny_v he_o have_v see_v a_o good_a issue_n of_o any_o synod_n for_o in_o those_o two_o synod_n viz._n of_o nice_a and_o constantinople_n which_o have_v be_v mention_v before_o truth_n get_v the_o victory_n and_o heresy_n be_v put_v down_o and_o though_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o arianisme_n be_v increase_v and_o grow_v strong_a and_o trouble_v the_o church_n after_o the_o synod_n of_o nice_a more_o than_o before_o yet_o that_o be_v not_o to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o synod_n but_o to_o the_o contention_n and_o ambition_n of_o man_n for_o as_o our_o corrupt_a nature_n do_v more_o vehement_o resist_v the_o know_a law_n of_o god_n and_o rush_v headlong_o unto_o sin_n so_o falsehood_n oppose_v itself_o more_o bold_o unto_o the_o truth_n then_o explain_v and_o open_o defend_v whereupon_o after_o that_o synod_n which_o none_o excel_v great_a incommodity_n do_v arise_v from_o the_o wickedness_n of_o man_n etc._n etc._n when_o nazianz._n see_v so_o wicked_a disposition_n of_o man_n he_o be_v whole_o turn_v from_o counsel_n although_o without_o doubt_n he_o disallow_v not_o the_o thing_n itself_o but_o the_o wicked_a endeavour_n of_o man_n now_o if_o any_o will_v reason_v after_o this_o manner_n the_o issue_n of_o synod_n be_v not_o good_a or_o more_o evil_n follow_v thence_o therefore_o synod_n be_v to_o be_v avoid_v that_o man_n shall_v dispute_v deceitful_o from_o a_o wrong_a cause_n from_o accident_n and_o from_o the_o fallacy_n of_o consequent_a but_o nazianzen_n be_v to_o be_v pardon_v because_o he_o live_v in_o the_o worst_a and_o most_o turbulent_a time_n of_o the_o church_n when_o by_o mean_n of_o valens_n the_o emperor_n that_o degenerate_v from_o the_o catholic_n faith_n heretic_n do_v more_o prevail_v etc._n etc._n again_o he_o oppose_v augustine_n unto_o nazianzene_n and_o say_v it_o be_v most_o true_a which_o augustine_n say_v epist_n 118._o that_o the_o authority_n of_o synod_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v most_o wholesome_a which_o certain_o he_o will_v not_o have_v say_v if_o he_o have_v be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n with_o nazianzen_n and_o further_o he_o oppose_v unto_o the_o speech_n of_o nazianz._n the_o testimony_n of_o christ_n say_v christ_n himself_o pronounce_v and_o promise_v matt._n 18.20_o where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v assemble_v together_o in_o his_o name_n there_o he_o will_v be_v in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o in_o which_o word_n he_o signifi_v that_o the_o assembly_n and_o synod_n of_o godly_a and_o religious_a man_n undertake_v and_o appoint_v for_o godly_a cause_n be_v not_o displease_v unto_o he_o iii_o the_o testimony_n of_o nazianzen_n be_v as_o much_o against_o the_o opinion_n of_o mr_n can_n and_o mr_n dau._n as_o against_o that_o which_o we_o hold_v touch_v class_n and_o synod_n for_o see_v they_o allow_v such_o meeting_n for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n though_o not_o for_o exercise_v of_o any_o jurisdiction_n and_o see_v the_o testimony_n of_o nazian_n do_v extend_v itself_o to_o all_o kind_n of_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d ã€ˆâ—Šã€‰_d whether_o for_o counsel_n or_o censure_n without_o exception_n of_o one_o sort_n more_o than_o another_o therefore_o he_o no_o more_o condemn_v our_o synod_n than_o those_o which_o my_o opposite_n allow_v augustine_n his_o next_o witness_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n pervert_v as_o the_o former_a though_o he_o in_o the_o place_n 17._o place_n dedoct_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 17._o object_v do_v write_v that_o the_o key_n be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n yet_o do_v he_o not_o thereby_o exclude_v synod_n gather_v together_o in_o the_o name_n of_o

31._o article_n of_o the_o belgic_a confession_n which_o be_v point_a at_o have_v nothing_o that_o serve_v their_o turn_n against_o i_o neither_o do_v they_o show_v what_o clause_n therein_o they_o intend_v for_o their_o purpose_n and_o what_o seem_v most_o to_o accord_n with_o their_o former_a allegation_n i_o have_v answer_v before_o but_o for_o the_o synod_n of_o these_o country_n whereas_o mr_n c._n say_v 91.92_o say_v ch._n pl._n p._n 91.92_o what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr_n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n it_o be_v here_o to_o be_v observe_v 1._o that_o mr_n can_n falsify_v my_o word_n that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v this_o 66._o this_o answ_n to_o w.b._n p._n 66._o when_o the_o business_n be_v so_o weighty_a that_o by_o former_a general_a consent_n of_o church_n testify_v by_o their_o deputy_n meet_v together_o in_o their_o synod_n it_o have_v be_v agree_v that_o the_o same_o shall_v not_o be_v proceed_v in_o without_o advise_v of_o the_o classis_fw-la such_o as_o be_v the_o election_n of_o minister_n the_o excommunication_n of_o offender_n and_o the_o like_a that_o in_o such_o case_n ordinary_o matter_n be_v bring_v unto_o the_o classis_fw-la etc._n etc._n now_o this_o voluntary_a agreement_n not_o to_o proceed_v without_o advice_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la before_o matter_n of_o so_o great_a weight_n be_v determine_v be_v not_o to_o hinder_v particular_a congregation_n from_o the_o practice_n of_o all_o god_n ordinance_n among_o they_o but_o only_o to_o prevent_v and_o restrain_v abuse_n in_o the_o manner_n of_o do_v and_o to_o direct_v they_o for_o the_o better_a performance_n thereof_o among_o themselves_o 11._o what_o those_o synod_n be_v wherein_o such_o agreement_n be_v make_v it_o have_v be_v easy_a for_o mr_n c._n to_o have_v know_v if_o he_o have_v use_v diligence_n in_o enquiry_n and_o search_n for_o they_o to_o help_v he_o herein_o let_v he_o consider_v these_o 79._o these_o kercken-ordeningen_a der_fw-mi gerefo_n nederlantsc_n kercken_fw-mi nation_n syno_n tot_fw-la embden_n an._n 1571._o art_n 13_o 14._o &_o 33_o 34._o nat._n syn._n tot_fw-la dordr_n an._n 1578._o art_n 4.8_o &_o 99.100_o nat._n syn._n tot_o middelb_n an._n 1581._o art_n 3.4_o &_o 62.63_o nat._n syn._n in_o his_o graven-hag_n an._n 1586._o art_n 3.4.5.36_o 47.69.70.72_o nat._n syn._n tot_o dordr_n an._n 1618._o &_o 1619._o art_n 3_o 4_o 11_o 12_o 76_o 77_o 79._o plain_a evidence_n record_v in_o divers_a synod_n viz._n that_o man_n shall_v not_o proceed_v to_o election_n or_o deposition_n of_o minister_n or_o excommunication_n of_o offender_n without_o the_o advice_n and_o judgement_n of_o a_o classical_a assembly_n and_o beside_o the_o decree_n of_o these_o nationall_n synod_n the_o like_a agreement_n and_o resolution_n have_v be_v make_v in_o sundry_a 69._o sundry_a provinc_fw-la syn._n tot_o dordr_n an._n 1574._o art_n 12._o prov._n syn._n tot_o middelb_n an._n 1591._o art_n 3_o 4_o 9_o 58_o 68_o 69._o provincial_n synod_n so_o that_o from_o time_n to_o time_n after_o ripe_a deliberation_n &_o long_a experience_n these_o act_n of_o their_o synod_n have_v still_o be_v renew_v and_o confirm_v from_o the_o begin_n of_o their_o reformation_n even_o unto_o this_o day_n iii_o beside_o these_o general_a act_n and_o agreement_n of_o several_a synod_n we_o have_v their_o practice_n also_o for_o confirmation_n hereof_o to_o declare_v that_o the_o cause_n of_o particular_a church_n be_v judge_v by_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o thus_o it_o be_v witness_v 56.57_o witness_v trigland_n van_fw-mi de_fw-fr mother_n p._n 56.57_o that_o caspar_n coolhaes_n be_v excommunicate_v by_o the_o provincial_n synod_n of_o holland_n hold_v at_o haerlem_n anno_fw-la 1582._o that_o the_o cause_n of_o hermannus_n herbert_n be_v judge_v and_o he_o suspend_v from_o his_o ministry_n by_o a_o particular_a synod_n of_o south-holland_n hold_v in_o the_o hague_n anno_fw-la 1591._o novemb_n 6._o that_o cornelius_n wiggertsz_n be_v also_o judge_v and_o excommunicate_v by_o a_o particular_a synod_n of_o north-holland_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o error_n hold_v by_o he_o that_o 22._o that_o act._n syn._n nat._n dordr_n an._n 1618._o sesse_n 22._o nicolaus_n grevinchovius_n minister_n at_o rotterdam_n be_v remove_v from_o his_o ministry_n by_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o south-holland_n synod_n hold_v at_o delft_n that_o pref_o that_o ib._n pref_o adolphus_n venator_n minister_n at_o alcmaer_n that_o joannes_n valesius_fw-la joannes_n rodingenus_n and_o isaacus_n welsingius_fw-la pastor_n of_o the_o church_n at_o horn_n be_v suspend_v from_o their_o ministry_n by_o the_o north-holland_n synod_n and_o that_o divers_a other_o in_o gelderland_n be_v in_o like_a manner_n censure_v by_o the_o synod_n hold_v in_o that_o province_n at_o arnhem_n be_v also_o record_v in_o that_o historical_a preface_n prefix_v before_o the_o act_n of_o the_o last_o nationall_n synod_n at_o dort_n and_o in_o the_o 23._o the_o sesse_n 22_o 23._o book_n itself_o it_o be_v likewise_o testify_v that_o simon_n goulartius_n minister_n of_o the_o gallo-belgic_a or_o walloens_n church_n at_o amsterdam_n be_v remove_v from_o his_o place_n by_o the_o gallo-belgic_a synod_n by_o these_o and_o sundry_a other_o like_a act_n and_o sentence_n that_o may_v be_v note_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o synod_n hold_v in_o these_o reform_a church_n be_v not_o only_o for_o counsel_n and_o admonition_n but_o for_o the_o exercise_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o censure_a offender_n &_o judge_v of_o controversy_n &_o that_o their_o meaning_n be_v pervert_v when_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n be_v object_v against_o i_o that_o which_o mr_n can_v 91._o can_v ch._n pl._n p._n 91._o allege_v from_o the_o synod_n of_o middelburgh_n an._n 1581._o be_v also_o mistake_v by_o he_o there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n find_v in_o that_o synod_n as_o he_o mention_v touch_v election_n do_v by_o voice_n public_o in_o the_o temple_n and_o if_o it_o have_v be_v there_o yet_o shall_v not_o that_o prejudice_n the_o authority_n of_o synod_n or_o class_n in_o allow_v or_o censure_v such_o election_n either_o before_o or_o after_o they_o be_v make_v again_o it_o be_v object_v the_o synod_n of_o tilleburgh_n in_o nasovia_n determine_v the_o like_a as_o zepperus_n 831._o zepperus_n pol._n ecc._n p._n 831._o write_v answ._n the_o determination_n of_o this_o synod_n be_v like_a unto_o those_o before_o mention_v be_v therefore_o direct_o against_o my_o opposite_n as_o the_o former_a be_v zepperus_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o the_o article_n agree_v upon_o in_o this_o synod_n tell_v we_o how_o the_o earl_n of_o nassau_n have_v see_v the_o article_n of_o the_o synod_n hold_v in_o middelburgh_n anno_fw-la 1581._o he_o take_v such_o like_n thereof_o that_o in_o the_o year_n follow_v he_o call_v the_o special_a minister_n of_o his_o country_n together_o unto_o a_o synod_n in_o tilleburgh_n require_v that_o the_o agreement_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a synod_n may_v be_v apply_v unto_o the_o use_n of_o the_o church_n under_o his_o dominion_n so_o far_o as_o they_o well_o can_v hereupon_o the_o principal_a conclusion_n thereof_o be_v receive_v and_o confirm_v among_o they_o and_o so_o far_o as_o do_v show_v their_o full_a consent_n in_o the_o point_n of_o our_o controversy_n viz._n that_o particular_a congregation_n be_v to_o be_v subject_a unto_o a_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n of_o synod_n and_o class_n therefore_o it_o be_v agree_v 4._o agree_v ib._n p._n 833_o art_n 4._o that_o the_o call_n of_o minister_n shall_v be_v make_v by_o the_o judgement_n 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