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A91487	Severall speeches delivered at a conference concerning the power of Parliament, to proeeed [sic] against their King for misgovernment. In which is stated: I. That government by blood is not by law of nature, or divine, but only by humane and positive laws of every particular common-wealth, and may upon just causes be altered. II. The particular forme of monarchies and kingdomes, and the different laws whereby they are to be obtained, holden and governed ... III. The great reverence and respect due to kings, ... IV. The lawfulnesse of proceeding against princes: ... V. The coronation of princes, ... VI. What is due to onely succession by birth, and what interest or right an heire apparent hath to the crown, ... VII. How the next in succession by propinquity of blood, have often times been put back by the common-wealth, ... VIII. Divers other examples out of the states of France and England, for proofe that the next in blood are sometimes put back from succession, ... IX. What are the principall points which a common-wealth ought to respect in admitting or excluding their king, wherein is handled largely also of the diversity of religions, and other such causes.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610, attributed name.	1648 (1648)	Wing P573; Thomason E521_1; ESTC R203152	104,974	80

no as before hath been shewed which thing were in vain to ask if he were truly King as Belloy saith before his Coronation Again we see in all the formes and different manners of Coronations that after the Prince hath sworn divers times to govern well and justly then do the subjects take other Oathes of obedience and allegiance and not before which argueth that before they were not bound unto him by allegiance and as for the Princes of England it is expresly noted by English Historiographers in their Coronations how that no aliegeance is due unto them before they be Crowned and that only it happened to Henry the fifth among all other Kings his Predecessour to have this priviledg and this for his exceeding towardlinesse and for the great affection of the people towards him that he had homage done unto him before his Coronation and Oath taken Whereof Polidor writeth in these words Princeps Heuricus facto patris funere concilium principum apud Westomansterium convocandum eurat in quo dum de rege creando more maiorum agitabatur esse tibi conti●uo ●aliquot Principes ultro in ejus verba mirare coeperunt quod benevolentiae officium nulli antea priusquam Rex renunciatus esset praestitum constat adeo Henricus ab ineunte aetate sp●m omnibus optimae indolis fecit Polyd●r virg lib. 22. histor Angliae in vita Henrici 5. Which in English is this Prince Henry after he had finished his fathers funeralls caused a Parliament to be gathered at Westminster where whilst consultation was had according to the ancient custome of England about creating a new King behold certain of the Nobility of their own free wils began to swear obedience and loyalty unto him which demonstration of love and good will is well known that it was never shewed to any Prince before until he was declared King So great was the hope that men had of the towardlines of this P. Henry even from his tender age and the very same thing expresseth Iohn Stow also in his Chronicle in these words To this noble Prince by assent of the Parliament all the States of the Realm after 3 dayes offered to do fealty before he was Crowned or had solemnized his Oath well and justly to Governe the Common-wealth which offer before was never found to be made to any Prince of England Stow in the begining of the life of K. Henry 5. In whose narration as also in that of Polidor it may be noted that K. Henry the 5. was not called King untill after his Coronation but only Prince though his father King Henry the 4. had been dead now almost a moneth before And secondly that the Parliament consulted de Rege creando more majorum as Polidor his words are that is making of a new King according to the ancient custome of their ancestors which argueth that he was not yet King though his father were dead nor that the manner of our old English ancestors was to account him so before his admission Thirdly that this demonstration of good will of the Nobility to acknowledge him for King before his Coronation and Oath selemuized well and justly to Governe the Realm was very extraordinary and of meere good will And last of all that this was never done to any Prince before K. Henry the 5 all which points do demonstrate that it is the Coronation and admission that maketh a perfect and true King whatsoever the title by succession be otherwise And that except the admission of the Common-wealth be joyned to succession it is not sufficient to make a lawfull King and of the two the second is of far more importance to wit the consent and admission of the Realm then nearnesse of bloud by succession alone This I might prove by many exampl●s in England it self where admission hath prevailed against right of succession as in Wil. Rufus that succeded the Conquerour and in K. Henry the 1. his brother in K. Stephen K. John and others who by only admission of the Realm were Kings against the order of succession and very specially it may be seene in the two examples before mentioned of the admission of the two Kings Henry and Edward both surnamed the 4. whose entrances to the Crowne if a man do well consider he shall find that both of them founded the best part and most surest of their titles upon the election consent and good will of the people As in their last words to their friends in Sr. Tho. Moore and Stow. Yea both of them at their dying daies having some remorse of conscience as it seemed for they had caused so many men to dye for maintenance of their severall Rights and titles ●ad no better way to appease their own minds but by thinking that they were placed in that roome by the voice of the Realm and consequently might lawfully defend the same and punish such as went about to deprive him You shall find if you looke into the doings of Princes in all ages that such Kings as were most politique and had any lest doubt or suspition of troubles about the title after their deaths have caused their sonnes to be Crowned in their own dayes trusting more to this then to their title by succession thongh they were never so lawfully and lineally discended And of this I could alleadg you many examples out of divers Countries but especially in France since the last line of Capetus came unto that Crown for this did Hugh Capetus himself procure to be done to Robert his Eldest sonne in his owne daies and the like did King Robert procure for his younger son Henry the 1. as Girard holdeth and excluded his elder onely by Crowning Henry in his owne daies Henry also did intreate the States of France to admit and Crown Philip the 1. his eldest son whilst himself reigned An. 1131. and this mans son Luys Le Cros did the same also unto two sons of his first to Philip and after his death to Luys the younger both which were Crowned in their fathers life time and this Luys again the younger which is the seaventh of that name for more assuring of his son named Philip the second intreated the Realm to admit and Crown him also in his own dayes with that great solemnity which in the former chapter hath ben declared And for this very same cause of security it is not to be doubted but that alwaies the Prince of Spaine is sworn and admitted by the Realm● during his Fathers reign The same consideration also moved King David 2 Reg. 1. to Crown his son Salomon in his own daies Our King Henry also the 2 of England considering the alteration of that the Realm had made in admitting K. Stephen Polyd. Stow. in vita Henrici 11. before him against the order of lineall succession by propi●quity of blood and fearing that the like might happen also after him caused his eldest sonne named likewise Henry to be Crowned in his life time so as

the best as the Romans many yeares were governed by Consuls and Senatours and at this day the States of this countrey of Holland do imitate the same or else Monarchia which is the Regiment of one and this again either of an Emperour King Duke Earle or the like these particular Formes of Government I say are not determined by God or Nature as the other two points before for then they should be all one in all Nations as the other are seeing God and Nature are one to all but these particular Formes are left unto every Nation and countrey to chuse that Forme of Government which they shall like best and thinke most fit for the Natures and conditions of their People which Aristotle proveth throughout all the second and fourth Books of his Politiques very largely laying down divers kindes of Governments in his dayes as namely in Greece that of the Milesians Lacedemonians Candians and others and shewing the causes of their differences which he attributeth to the diversity of Mens Natures customes educations and other such causes that made them make choice of such or such Forme of Government And this might be proved also by infinite other Examples both of times past and present and in all Nations and countries both Christian and otherwise which have not had onely different fashions of Governments the one from the other but even among themselves at one time one Forme of Government And another at other times for the Romans first had Kings and after rejecting them for their evil Government they chose Consuls which were two Governours for every Year whose Authority yet they limited by a multitude of senatours which were of their counsel and these Mens power was restrained also by adding Tribunes of the People and sometimes Dictatours and finally they came to be governed last of all by Emperours The like might be said of Carthage in Africa and many Cities and Common-wealthes of Grece which in divers seasons and upon divers causes have taken different Formes of Government to themselves The like we see in Europe at this day for in onely Italie what different Formes of Government have you Naples hath a King for their Soveraigne Roma the Pope and under him one Senatour in place of so many as were wont to be in that Common-wealth Venice and Genua have Senatours and Dukes but little Authority have their Dukes Florence Farara Mantua Parma Vrbin and Savoy have their Dukes onely without Senatours and their power is absolute Milan was once a Kingdom but now a Dukedom the like is of Burgundy Lorain Bavire Gasconie and Britaine the lesser all which once had their distinct Kings and now have Dukes for their supreme Governours The like may be said of all Germany that many Yeares together had one King over all which now is divided into so many Duke ●omes Earldomes and other like Titles of Supreme Princes But the contrary is of Castile Aragon Portugal Barcelona and other Kingdomes this day in Spain which were first Earldomes onely and after Dukedomes and then Kingdomes and now again are all under one Monarchy The like is of Bohemie and Polonia which were but Dukedomes in old time and now are Kingdomes The like may be said of France also after the expulsion of the Romans which was first a Monarchy under Pharamond their first King and so continued for many Yeares under Clodion Meronys Childrik and Clodovaus their first christened Kings but after they divided it into four Kingdomes to wit one of Paris another of Suessons the third of Orleans and the fourth of Metts and so it continued for divers yeares but yet afterwards they made it one Monarchy again England also was first a Monarchy under the Britaines and then a Province under the Romans and after that divided into seven Kingdomes at once under the Saxons and now a Monarchy again under the English and all this by Gods permission and approbation who in token thereof suffered his own peculiar People also of Israel to be under divers manners of Governments in divers times as first under Patriarchs Abraham Isaac and Jacob then under Captaines as Moses Joshua and the like then under Judges as Othoniel Aiod and Gideon then under high Priests as Heli and Samuel then under Kings as Saul David and the rest and then under Captaines and high Priests again as Zorobabel Judas Machabeus and his Brethren untill the Government was lastly taken from them and they brought under the power of the Romans and forreigne Kings appointed by them So as of all this there can be no doubt but that the Common-wealth hath power to chuse their own fashion of Government as also to change the same upon reasonable causes as we see in all times and Countries and God no doubt approveth what the Realme determineth in this point for otherwise nothing could be certain for that of these changes doth depend all that hath succeeded In like manner is it evident that as the Common-wealth hath this Authority to chuse and change her Government so hath she also to limit the same with what Lawes and conditions she pleaseth whereof ensueth the great diversity of Authority and power which each one of the former Governments hath as for example the Consuls of Rome were but for one year other Officers and Magistrates were for more or lesse time as their Common-wealth did a lot them The Dukes of Venice at this day are for their lives except in certain cases wherein they may be deposed and those of Genua onely for two yeares and their power is very small and much limited and their Heires have no claime or pretence at all after them to that Dignity as the children and next of kin of other Dukes of Italy have though in different sort also for that the Dukedomes of Ferara Vrbin and Parma are limited onely to Heires male and for defect thereof to return to the Pope or Sea of Rome Florence and Mantua for like defects are to returne to the Empire and do not passe to the Heires female or to the next of kin as Savoy and some others do And now if we respect God and Nature as well might all these Governments follow one Law as so different for that neither God nor Nature prescribeth any of these particular Formes but concurreth with any that the Common-wealth it selfe appointeth and so it is to be believed that God and Nature concurred as well with Italy when it had but one Prince as now when it hath so many and the like with Germany and also with Swizerland which once was one Common-wealth onely under the Dukes and Marquesses of Austria and now are divided into thirteen Cantons or Common-wealths under popular Magistrates of their own as hath been said so as when Men talke of a natural Prince or natural Successour as many times I have heard the word used if it be understood of one that is borne in the same Realme or Countrey and so of our own natural Bloud it hath some

enter also that consideration which divers common wealths had in putting back oftentimes children and impotent people though otherwise next in blood from succession and preferring more able men though further off by descent for that they were more like to defend wel their Realme and Subjects then the others were But to proceed more distinctly and more perspicuously in this matter I would have you call to minde one point among others out of Girard the French author Girard lib. 3. de l' Estat pag. 242. to wit that the King of France in his Coronation is new apparalled three times in one day once as a Priest and then as a judge and last as a King armed Thereby to signifie three things committed to his charge first Religion then Justice then manhood and chivalry for the defence of the Realme This division seemeth to me very good and fit and to comprehend all that a weal-publick hath need of for her happy state and felicity both in soule and body and for her end both supernaturall and naturall For by the first which is Religion her Subjects do attaine unto their end spirituall and supernaturall which is the salvation of their soules and by the second and third which are justice and defence they enjoy their felicity temporall which is to live in peace among themselves and safety from their enemies for which cause it seemeth that these are the three points which most are to be regarded in every Prince that commeth to government and much more in him that is not yet admitted thereunto but offereth himselfe to the Common wealth for the s●me pu●pose And for that the latter two of these three points which are justice and manhood hath been often had in consideration in the examples of changes before mentioned and the first point which is Religion hath rarely or never at all been talked of for that in former times the Prince and the people were alwayes of one and the same Religion and scarce ever any question or doubt fell in that behalfe which yet in our dayes is the principall difference and chiefest difficulty of all other for these causes I say shall I accommodate my selfe to the circu●stance of the time wherein wee live and to the present case which is in question betwix● us about the succession of England and leaving aside those other two considerations of justice and chivalry in a King which are far lesse important then the other though yet so highly regarded by ancient Common wealths I shall treate principally of Religion in this place as of the first and highest and most necessary point of all other to bee considered in the admission of any Prince for the profit of his Subjects for that without this he destroyeth all and with this albeit he should have defects in the other two points of justice and manhood yet may it be holpen or his defect or negligence may be supplyed much by others as after I shall shew more in particular but if he want feare of God or care of Religion or be perversly perswaded therein the domage of the weale publique is inestimable First of all then for better understanding of this point we are to suppose that the first chiefest and highest end that God and nature appointed to every Common-wealth was not so much the temporall felicity of the body as the supernaturall and everlasting of the soule and this was not only revealed to the Jewes by holy scripture but also unto the Gentiles and Heathens by the instinct and light of nature it selfe For by this light of naturall reason the learned sort of them came to understand the immortallity of the soule and that her felicity perfection and full contentment which they called her finall end and summum bonum could not be in this life not in any thing created under heaven but must needs be in the life to come and that by attaining to enjoy some infinite endlesse and immortall object which could fully satisfie the appetite of our soule and this could be no other then God the maker of all himselfe And that consequently all other things of this transitory life and of this humane Common-wealth subject to mans eyes are ordained to serve and be subordinate and directed to the other higher end and that all mans actions in this world are first of all and in the highest degree to be imployed to the recognising serving and honoring of this great Lord that governeth the whole as author and end of all To this light I say came the Heathens even by the instinct and direction of nature whereof ensued that there was never yet Pagan Philosopher that wrot of framing a good common-wealth as Socrates Plato Plutarch Cicero and others neither Lawmaker among them that left Ordinances for the same purpose as Deucalion Minos Zaleucus Licurgus Solon Ion Numa or the like which besides the temporall end of directing things well for the body had not especiall care also of matters appertaining to the minde to wit of nourishing honoring and rewarding of vertue and for restraining and punishing of vice and wickednesse whereby is evident that their end and butt was to make their Citizens good and vertuous which was a higher end then to have a bare consideration of temporall and bodily benefits only as many great men of our daies though Christians in name seeme to have who pretend no higher end in their Government then bodily wealth and a certaine temporall kind of peace and justice wh●ch divers beasts also do reach unto in their congregations and Common-wealths as is to be seene among Emets and Bees Cranes Lyons and other such creatures that by instinct of nature are sociable and do live in company and consequently also doe maintaine so much order and policy in their Common-wealth as is need●ull for their preservation and continuance But na●ure taught man a far higher and more excellent end in his Common-wealth which was not only to provide for those bodily benefits that are common also to creatures without reason but much more for those of the minde and above all for the serving of that high and supreme God that is the beginning and end of all the rest For whose service also they learned by the same instinct and institution of nature that the chiefest and supremest honour that could be done unto him in this life by man was the honour of sacrifice and obla●ions● which we see was begun and practised even in those fi●st beginnings of the law of nature before the Leviticall law and the particular formes of this same law were prescribed by Moses For so we reade in Genesis of Noah Gen. 8. that he made an Altar and offered sacrifices to God upon the same of all the beasts and birds that he had in the Arke odoratusque est Dominus odorem suavitatis and God received the smell of these sacrifices as a sweet smell Which is to say that God was highly pleased therewith and the like we reade of Job

worst The second Forme which is called Oligarchia or Aristocratia for that a few and those presumed to be the best are joyned together in Authority as it doth participate something of both the other Governments to wit of Monarchia and Democratia or rather tempereth them both so hath it both good and evil in it but yet inclineth more to the evil for the dis-union that commonly by man's infirmity and malice is among those Heads for which cause the States before named of Venice and Genua which were wont to have simply this Government of Aristocratia in that their Regiment was by certain chose Senatours were enforced in the end to chuse Dukes also as Heads of their Senates for avoiding of dissention and so they have at this day though their Authority be but small as hath been said We see also by the examples of Carthage and Rome where Government of Aristocratia took place that the division and factions among the Senatours of Carthage was the cause why aid and succour was not sent to Hannibal their Captain in Italy after his so great and important victory at Cannas which was the very cause of the saving of the Roman Empire and the losse of their own and also afterwards the emulations discord and dis union of the Roman Senatours among themselves in the affaires and contentions of Marius and Sylla and of Pompry and Caesar was the occasion of all their destruction and of their Common-wealth with them Tit. Liv. l. 30. Entrop l. 3. Oros l. 5. 6. Evident then it is that of all other Governments the Monarchy is the best and least subject to the inconveniences that other Governments have and if the Prince that governeth alone and hath supreme authority to himselfe as he resembleth God in this point of sole Government so could he resemble him also in wise discreet and just Government and in ruling without passion no doubt but that nothing more excellent in the World could be desired for the perfect felicity of his Subjects but for that a King or Prince is a man as others be and thereby not onely subject to errours in judgement but also to passionate affections in his will for this cause it was necessary that the Common-wealth as it gave him this great power over them so it should assigne him also the best helpes that might be for directing and rectifying both his will and judgement and make him therein as like in Government to God whom he representeth as man's frailty can reach unto For this consideration they assigned to him first of all the assistance and direction of Law whereby to governe which Law Aristotle saith Est meus quaelam nulle perturbata affectu Arist l. 3. Pol. c. ult It is a certain minde disquieted with no disordinate affection as mens mindes commonly be for that when a Law is made for the most part it is made upon due considlration and deliberation and without perturbation of evil affections as anger envy hatred rashnesse or the like passions and it is referred to some good end and commodity of the Common-wealth which Law being once made remaineth so still without alteration or partial affection being indifferent to all and partial to none but telleth one tale to every man and in this it resembleth the perfection as it were of God himselfe for the which cause the said Philosopher in the same place addeth a notable wise saying to wit That he which joyneth a Law to governe with the Prince joyneth God to the Prince but be that joyneth to the Prince his affection to governe joyneth a beast Ar. l. 3. Pol. c. 12. For that mens affections and concupiscences are common also to Beasts so that a Prince ruling by Law is more than a man or a man deified and a Prince ruling by affections is lesse than a man or a man brutified In another place also the same Philosopher saith that a Prince that leaveth Law and ruleth himselfe and others by his own appetite and affections Of all creatures is the worst and of all beasts is the most furious and dangerous Arist l. 1. Pol. c. 2. For that nothing is so outragious as injustice armed and no armour is so strong as wit and authority whereof the first he hath in that he is a man and the other in that he is a Prince For this cause then all Common-wealths have prescribed Lawes unto their Princes to govern thereby as by a most excellent certain and immutable rule to which sense Cicero said Leges sunt inventae ut omnibus semper una eadem voce loquerentur Lawes were invented to the end they should speak in one and the selfe same sense to all men Cic. l. 2. Offic. For which very reason in like manner these Lawes have been called by Philosophers a rule or square inflexible and by Aristotle in particular a minde without passion as hath been said but the Prophet David who was also a Prince and King seemeth to call it by the name of Discipline for that as Discipline doth keep all the parts of a man or of a particular house in order so Law well ministred keepeth all the parts of a Common-wealth in good order and to shew how securely God exacteth this at all Princes hands he saith these words And now learn ye Kings and be instructed ye that judge the World serve God in fear and rejoyce in him with trembling imbrace ye discipline least he enter into wrath and so ye perish from the way of righteousnesse Psal 2. Which words being uttered by a Prophet and King do contain divers points of much consideration for this purpose as first that Kings and Princes are bound to learne Law and Discipline and secondly to observe the same with great humility and fear of Gods wrath and thirdly that if they do not they shall perish from the way of righteousnesse as though the greatest plague of all to a Prince were to lose the way of righteousnesse law and reason in his Government and to give himselfe over to passion and his own will whereby they are sure to come to shipwracke and thus much of the first helpe The second helpe that Common-wealths have given to their Kings and Princes especially in later Ages hath been certain Councels and Councelours with whom to consult in matters of most importance as we see the Parliaments in England and France the Courts in Spain and Diets in Germany without which no matter of great moment can be concluded and besides this commonly every King hath his Privy Councel whom he is bound to hear and this was done to temper somewhat the absolute forme of a Monarchy whose danger is by reason of his sole Authority to fall into tyranny as Aristotle wisely noteth in his fourth Book of Politiques shewing the inconvenience or dangers of this Government which is the cause that we have few or no simple Monarchies now in the World especially among Christians but all are mixt lightly with divers points

Government and so placed as hath been said is under no law or restraint at all of his authority but that himselfe only is the quick and living law and that no limitation can be given unto him by any power under heaven except it be by his own will and that no Nation or Common-wealth can appoint or prescribe how they will obey or how their Prince shall govern them but must leave his authority free from all bands of law and this either Willingly or by violence is to be procured By which words it seemeth that he painteth out a perfect patterne of a tyrannicall Government which how it did further the King of Navar I do not know His other proposition is Apolog. pro Rege Cap. 20. That albeit the heire apparant which is next by birth to any Crown should be never so impotent or unfit to Govern as if for examples sake he should be deprived of his sences mad furious lunatique a fool or the like or that he should be known on the other side to be most malicious wicked vitious or abominable or should degenerate into a very beast yea if it were known that he should goe about to destroy the Common Wealth and drowne the ship which he had to guide yet saith this man he must be sacred and holy unto us and admitted without contradiction to his inheritance which God and nature hath laid upon him and his direction rèstraint or punishment must only be remited to God alone for that no man or Common-wealth may reforme or restrain him Which I doubt not will seeme unto you rather belly and base doctrine then to come from the head of any learned or discreet man that regardeth the end why Common-wealths and Kingdoms and all Governments were ordained by God and nature and not the flattering or adoring of any one miserable man that shall stand over them to destroy the whole But now to the particuler matter that we are to treat which is what is to be attributed to this succession or propinquity of birth alone I am of opinion that albeit their want not reasons on both sides among learned men what kind of providing Governours to Common-wealths is best either by simple and free election only or by succession of birth my opinion I say is that succession is much to be preferred not for that it wanteth all difficulties and inconveniences which all temporall things uppon earth have but like as before I have shewed of the particuler Government of a Monarchy in respect of other forms of regiment to wit that is wanted not all but had fewer inconveniences then their formes of Regiment have so say I also of this that albeit some inconveniences want not in succession yet are they commonly far lesse and fewer then would follow by meere election which are subiect to great and continuall dangers of ambition emulation division sedition and contention which do bring with them evident peril of universall destruction and disolation of the whole body and this at every change of the prince which change on the other side is much assured by succ●ssion for that great occasions of strife and contention are there by cut of 2. And besides this the Prince who is in present possession knowing that his son or next of kin is to be his heire hath more care to leave the realme in good order as we see that the husbandman hath to till and manure that ground which is his owne and to remaine to his posterity 3. A third commodity also there is for that lesse mutations and alterations are seen in the Common-wealth where succession prevaileth for that the sonne following his father doth commonly retaine the same friends councellors officers and servants which his father had before him pursueth the same actions and intentions with the same manner of proceeding for the most part whereas he that entereth by election being an aliene to him that went before him and never lightly his friend doth change alter and turne upsidowne all things 4. Furthermore which may be also a fourth reason he that entereth by succession for that he is either borne a Prince or hath been much respected still for his title to the Crowne bringeth with him lesse passions of hatred emulation anger envie or revenge against particuler men for that no man durst offend him then doth he which entereth by only election for that he having bin a subject equall to others before his advancement and thereby holding contention with many espetially at this election must needs have matter of quarrell with many which he will seeke easily to revenge when he is in authority as one the other side also such as were his equals before will beare him lesse respect and more unwillingly be under him then by birth he had been there Soveraigne 5. These and diverse other are the comodities of succession whereunto we may also add the preheminence and priveledge of primogenitura and auncetrie of birth so much respected and commended by holy writ not only in men but in all other creatures also whose first borne were dedicated to God himselfe and one notable example among other occurreth to my mind of the two sonnes of Isack of the which two albeit God hath ordained to chuse the younger before he was borne as S. Paul testifieth and to reject the elder that is to say that Iacob should inherite the benediction not Esau Yet would God have his yonger to procure the said priviledge of eldership from Esau by divers means as first by bargain and after by guile according to the storie we read in Genes 15 and 49. Deut. 21. and 15. 2 Paralip 21 and 3 Exod 3. and 2. Rom. 9. and 13 Genes 28 and 27. Out of which story two points may be pondered much to our purpose first that primogenitura or eldership of birth as I have said was greatly respected by God and according to that all the disce●t● and successions of Kings were commonly among that people for that ordinarily the elder 〈◊〉 ever succeded his Father in the Crowne of Iury. And the secon● p●int 〈…〉 God would shew even in this begining that yet this priviledge was not so 〈◊〉 but that upon just causes it might be broken as it was by this his choyce of Iacob the yonger and rejecting Esau the Elder and many times after in matter of government the same was practised by God himselfe as when Iudah the fourth tribe and not Ruben the 1 and Eldest was apointed by God enioy the scepter and Crown of the Iewes as also when King David died not in his first second or third sonne but his tenth in order to wit Solomon who was also the fourth that he had by Bersabe was appointed for his successor Genes 29 and 9. Exod 1. 2. Reg. 5. 1. Paral. 3. So that in very deed we have here both our two cases that were propounded in the begining over ruled and determined by authority and example of holy writ it selfe namely and 1

of all that priority and propinquitie of blood in succession is greatly to be honored regarded and preferred in all affairs of digni●ie and principallity which is the second point are we not so absolutly and peremptorily bound thereunto alwaies but that upon iust and urgent occasions that Course may be altered and broken Which licence or liberty is indeed the only or at least wise the most principall remedy for such inconveniences as before I shewed to be farr lesse and fewer then are wont to follow of bare election alone yet did I confesse also that some did or might fall out as namely that the person who by sucession of blood is next may be unable or un●it or pernicious to governe in which cases the remedy is as before hath been declared hitherto helpe and assist him by lawe directions and wise councells if he be capable thereunto or else to remove him and take in another of the same blood royal though further of in degre or propinquity in his place And this is and hath ben the Custom practice of all Kingdoms and Commonwealths from the begining since succession hath ben established among them and by this means we come to remedy the difficulties and inconveniences of both kinds of making our Kings Princes which are election and succession for by succession we do remedy the inconveniences and dangers before mentioned of bare electiō to wit of strife banding ambition the like and by this other mean of adding also election consent and approbation of the Realme to succession we remedy the inconveniences of bare succession alone which inconveniences are principally that some un●pt impotent or evill Prince may be offered some times to enter by periority of blood whereof the Realme may deliver it selfe by this other meanes of not admitting him so as election by succession and succession again by election is salved and the one made a preservative and treacle to the other and this is the wisdom and high policy left by God and nature to every Common-Wealth for their own conservation and maintenance and every man that is of reason and iudgment and void of passion will not onely allow but also highly commend the same Now then to answer in particular to the two questions 1 what is to be attributed to succession alone and secondly what interest a Prince hath thereby to any Crowne before he be Crowned or admitted by the common wealth To the first I say that to succession alone or priority of blood only great honour reverence and ●espect ought to be borne ●s before hath been declared for that it is the principall circumstance and condition which leadeth us to the next succession of the Crown infalibly and without a strife if his propinquity be cleare and evident and that other nec●ssary circumstances and conditions do concur also in the same person which conditions were appointed and set down at the same time and by the same authority that this law of succession was established for that both the one and the other of these 2. poin●s were ordained by the Common-Wealth to wit that the elder and first in blood should succ●ed and that he should be such a person as can and will govern to the publike weale of al. To the second question I answer that an heyre apparent to a Crown before his Cor●nation and admission by the Realm if he have the conditions before required hath the same interest to the Kingdom which the King of Romans or Cesar hath to the Germain empyre after his election and before he be crowned or to use a more familiar example to Englishmen as the Mayor of London hath to the majoralty after he is chosen and before he be admitted or have taken his Oath For as this man in rigour is not truly Mayor nor hath not his jurisdiction before his Oath and admission nor the other is properly Emperour before he be crowned so is not an heyre apparent truly King though his Predecessour be dead and he next in succession untill he be crowned or admitted to the Common-Wealth Another example is there in Mariage also whereby our matter is made more playn for in this contract go both the betrothing and actuall joyning together of the parties in wedlock the first is done by words de futuro or for the time to come and is not properly Mariage but espousal only the other is by words depresenti that is by mutual present consent given of both parties and this second is only and properly true Marriage which two points are expresly represented in the state of an Heyre apparent and of a Crowned King for that the Heyre apparent by propinquity of blood is only espoused or be●rothed to the Common-Wealth for the time to come and is married afterwards by present mutuall consent of both parties in the contract and knitting up of the matter as his Coronation by the Oathes which either part maketh the one to take the other and by putting on the ring and other wedding garments before mentioned in their Coronations by all which the heyre apparent which before was but espouse is made now the true King and husband of the Common-Wealth which before he was not by only succession but only a betrothed spouse or designed King Wherefore it followeth also that the Common-Wealth oweth no allegeance or subjection unto the heyre apparent in rigour of Justice untill he be crowned or admitted though his Predecessour be dead for that in very deed untill that time he is not their true King and Soveraign though for better keeping of order and avoyding of Tumul●● all Common-Wealths lightly that have their Princes by succession have ordayned in these latter ages that from the death of the former Princes all ma●ters of government shall passe in the name of his next successor if his succession be cleare and this as I say for avoyding of garboyles and under supposall of confirmation and approbation afterward of the Common-Wealth at his Coronation for which cause also and for better accompt of yeares it was ordained that the begining of the successors reigne should be reckoned from the day of the death of his Predecessor and not from the day of his Coronation as otherwise in rigour it ought to be and as in old time it was accustomed to be as Girard Secretary and Chronicler of France doth wisely note in his third book of the estate and affaires of France Girard die Haillan l. 3. del estate pag. 241. to wit that Kings in old time were wont to accompt the yeares of their reignes from the day only of their anointing and Coronation This point also that heyres apparent are not true Kings untill their Coronation how just soever their title of succession otherwise be and though their Predecessours be dead it might be confirmed by many other Arguments but especially and above all others for that the Realm is asked again three times at their Coronation whether they will have such a man to be King or

England had two K. Henries living at one time with equall authority and this was done in the 16. year of his Reign and in the year of our Lord 1170 but his device had no good successe for that K. Henry the younger made war soone after upon K. Henry the elder and had both the Kings of France and Scotland and many Nobles of England and Normandy to take his part for which cause it is thought that this thing hath never been put in practise again since that time in England but yet hereby it is evident what the opinion of the world was in those daies of the force of Coronation and admission of the Common-wealth and how little propinquity of bloud prevaileth without that The Seaventh Speech I Should begin with the Grecian Kings it were infinite that might be alleadged and perhaps some man would say they were over old and far fetched examples and cannot be presidents to us in these ages and if I lay before you the examples of Roman Kings and Emperours put in and out against the Law aed Rights of succession the same men perhaps will answer that it was by force and injury of mutinons souldiers whereunto that Common-wealth was greatly subject And if I sh●uld bring forth any presidents and examples of holy Scripturs some other might chance to reply that this was by particuler priviledge wherein God Almighty would deale and dispose of things against the ordinary course of mans law as best liked himselfe whose will is more then Law and whose actions are right it selfe for that he is Lord of all and to be limitted by no rule or law of man but yet that this is not properly the Act of a Common-Welth Thus I say it may be that some man would reply and therefore having store enough of plain and evident matter which hath no exception for that it hath happened in setled Common-Wealths and those near home where the law of succession is received and established to wit in Spayne France and England I shall retyre my selfe to them alone but yet putting you in mind before I passe any further that it is a matter much to be marked how God dealt in this point with the people of Israel at the begining 1. Règ. 8. after he had granted to them that they should have the same government of Kings that other Nations round about them had whose Kings did ordinarily reigne by succession as ours do at this day and as all the Kings of the Jewes did afterwards and yet this notwithstanding God at the beginning at the very entrance of their first Kings would shew plainly that this Law of succeeding of the one the other by birth and propinquity of blood though for the most part it should prevaile yet that it was not so precisely necessary but that upon just causes it might be altered For proofe whereof we are to consider that albeit he made Saul a true and lawfull King over the Iewes and consequent also gave him all Kingly priviledges benefits and prerogatives belonging to that degree and state whereof one principal as you know is to have his Children succeed after him in the Crowne yet after his death God suffered not any one of his generation to succeed him though he left behinde him many Children and among others Isboseth a Prince of 40. Yeares of age 2. Reg. 1. and 21. whom Abner the generall captain of that nation with eleaven tribes followed for a time as their lawfull Lord and master by succession untill God cheked them for it and induced them to reiect him though heire apparent by discent and to cleave to David newly elected King who was a stranger by Birth and no King at all to the King deceased And if you say here that this was for the sinne of Saul whom God had reiected I do confesse it but yet this is nothing against our purpose for that we pretend not that a Prince that is next in blood can iustly be put back except it be for his own defects or those of his ancestors And more over I would have you consider that by this it is evident that the fault of the father may prejudicate the sonnes right to the Crowne albeit the sonne hath no part in the fault as we may see in this example not only of Ishboseth that was punished and deprived for the offence of Saul his Father notwithstanding he had been proclaimed King as hath been said but also of Ionathus Saules other sonne who so good a man and so much praised in holy Scripture and yet he being slaine in Warr and leaving a sonne named Mephiboseth he was put back also 2. Reg. 5. though by nearenesse of blood he had great interest in the succession and much before David But David being placed in the Crowne by election free consent and admission of the people of Israell as the Scripture plainly testifieth though by motion and direction of God himself we must confesse 2. Reg. 2 and 5. and no man I think will deny but that he had given unto him therewith all Kingly priviledges prehemiences and regali●ies even in the highest degree as was conveniene to such a state and among other the Scripture expresly nameth that in particuler it was assured him by God that his seed should reigne after him yea and that for eve● Psal 131. 2. Paral. 6. but yet we do not find this to be performed to any of his elder sonnes as by order of succession it should seeme to appertain no nor to any of their of spring or discents but only to Solomon which was his younger and tenth sonne and the fourth only by Barsabe True it is that the Scripture recounteth how Adonias Davids elder sonne that was of rare beauty a very goodly young Prince seeing his Father now very ould and impotent and to lie on his death bed and himselfe heire apparent by antiquitie of blood after the death of Absalon his elder brother that was slain before he had determined to have proclaimed himselfe heir apparent in Ierusalem before his Father died 1. Reg. 1. and for that purpose had ordained a great assembly and banquet had called unto it both the high priest Abiather and diverse of the Cleargie as also the generall Captaine of all the army of Israell named Ioah with other of the Nobillity and with them all the rest of his bretheren that were sonnes to King David saving only Solomon togeather with many other Princes and great men both spirituall and temporall of that estate and had prepared for them a great feast meaning that very day to proclaime himselfe heire apparent to the Crowne and to be Crowned as indeed by succession of blood it appertained unto him and this he attempted so much the rather by councell of his friends for that he saw the King his Father very ould and impotent and ready to die and had taken no order at all for his successor and moreover Adonias had understood how that Bersabe Solomons Mother

pretended that he was chosen before by● K. Edw. the Confessour that the Realm had given their consent thereunto that K. E. left the same testified in his last will testament an 1066. and albeit none of our English Authors do avow the same cleerly yet do many other forrain Writers hold it it seemeth very probable that some such thing had past both for that D. William had many in England that did favour his pretence at his entrance as also as Girard in his French story saith that at his first comming to London he punished divers by name for th●t they had broken their oaths and promises in that behalf Gir l. 6. ●n 1065. And moreover it appeareth that by alledging this title of election he moved divers Princes abroad to favour him in that action as in a just quarrel which is not like they would have done if he had pretended only a conquest or his title of sanguinity which could bee of no importance in the world for that effect seeing it was no other but that his Grandfather and King Edwards mother were brother and sister which could give him no pretence at all to the succession of the crowne by blood and yet we see that divers Princes did assist him and among others the French chronicles Girard so often named before writeth Chron. Cassin l. ● cap. ●4 that Alexander the second pope of Rome whose holinesse was so much esteemed in those daies as one constan●inus After wrote a booke of his miracles being informed by Duke William of the justnesse of his pretence did send him his benediction and a pr●cious ring of ●od with a hollowed banner by which hee gett the victory thus writeth Girard in his French Chronicles and Antonius Archbishop of Florence surnamed Antoninus ●art 2 Chron. ●it 16. cap. 5. s 1. Sainct writing of this matter in his chronicles speaketh great good of vvilliam conqueror commendeth his enterprise But howsoever this was the victory we see he get and God prospered his pretence and hath confirmed his of-spring in the Crown of England more then 500 yeares together so as now acc●unting from the death of King Edmond I consider unto this man we shall find as before I have said in lesse then 5● yeares that 5. or 6 Kings were made in Eng●and one after another by only authority and approbati●n of the ●ommon wealth contrary to the ordinary course of ineall succession by propinquity of blo●d And al this is before the conquest but it we should passe any further down we should find more e●amples then before For first the two sonnes of the Conquerour himselfe that succeeded after him to wit William Rufus and Henry the first were they not both younger brothers to Robert Du●e of Normandie to wh●m the most part of the realme was inclined as Polydor saith Polyd. in vita Gul. Conq. to have given the kingdome presently after the Conquerors death as due to him by succession notwithstanding that W●illiam for perticular displeasure against his elder sonne and had ordein●d the contrary in his testament But that Robert being absent in the War of Hierusalem the holy and learned man Lanfranke as he was accompted then Archbishop of Canterbury being deceived with vain hope of William Rufus An. 107 good nature perswaded th●m the contr●ry who was at that day of high estimation and authority in England and so might indu●e the realme to do what he liked By like meanes gat Henry his younger brother the same crown afterwards to wit by fair pr●mises to the peop●e and by help principally of Henry Newborow ●arle of Warwick that dealth with the nobility for him and Maurice Bishop of London with the cleargie for that Ans●lme Arch bishop of Can●erbury was in ba●nishment Besides this also it did greatly helpe his cause that his elder brother Robert to whom the Crowne by reign appetteined was absent again this second time in the vvarre of Ierusalem and so lost thereby his Kingdome as before Henry having no ther title in the world unto it but by election and admission of the people which yet he so desended afterwards against his said brother Robert that came to claim it by the sword and God did so prosper him the● rein as he took his said elder brother prisoner and so kept him for many yeares untill he died in prison most pitifully But this King Henry dying left daughter behind him named Mawde or Mathilde which being married first to the Emperour Henry the fist he dyed wit●out issue and then was shee married againe the second time to Geffry Pantage●t 〈◊〉 of Earle of Anjow in France to whom she bare a sonne named Henry which this King Henry his grand father caused to be declared for heire apparent to the Crowne in his daies bu● yet after his disceasse for that Stephen Earl of Bollogne born of Adela daughter to William the Conquerour was thought by the state of England to be more 〈◊〉 to governe and to defend the land for that he was at mans age then was Prince Henry a child or Ma●de ●is mother he was admitted and Henry put backe and this chiefly at the perswasion of Henry Bish●p of Winche●●er brother to the said Stephen as also by the sollicitation of the Abbot of Glast●nbury and ●thers who thought be like they might do the same with good conscience for the good of the realm though the even● proved not so well for that it drew all England into factions and divisions for avoyding and ending whereof the states ●●me years after in a Parliament at vval ingford made a agreement that Stephen should be lawfull King during his life only and that Henry and his of-spring should succeed him and that prince vvilliam King Stephens sonne should be deprived of his succession to the crowne and made onely Earle of Norfolke thus did the stat● dispose of the crown at that time which was in the yeare of Christ 1153. To ●his Henry succeded by order his oldest sonne then living named Richard and surnamed Cordelton for his Valour but after him againe his succession was broken For that Iohn King Henries youngest sonne 〈◊〉 youuger brother to Richard whom his father the King had left so unprovided as in jest he was cal●ed by the French Iean sens terre as if you wou●d say Sir Iohn lacke-land this man I say was after the death of his brother admitted and crowned by the states of England and Arthur Duke of Brittaine sonne and heir to Geffry that was elder brother to Iohn was against the order of succession excluded ●nd albeit this Arthur did seeke to remedy the matter by warr yet it seemed that God did more defend this election of the Common wealth then the right title of Arthur by succession for that Arthur was over-come and ta●en by King Iohn though he had the King of Franc● on his side anb he died pitifully in prison or rather as most authors do ho●d he was put to death by King Iohn

his uncles own hands in the castle of Roan thereby to make the titl● of his succession more cleare which yet could not be for that as well Stow in his chtonicle as also Matthew of vvestminster and others before him do write that Geffry beside 〈◊〉 sonne left two daughters by the Lady Constance his wife Countesse and he●r of Brit●ain which by the law of England should have succeeded before Iohn but of this small accompt seemed to be made at that day Some yeares after when the Barons and states of England mi●liked utterly the government and proceeding of this King Iohn they rejected him againe and chose Lewis the Prince of France to be thei● King 3216 and did swear fea●ty to him in London as before hath bin said and they dep●i●●ed also the young prince Henry his sonne that was at that time but of 8 years old but upon the death of his father King Iohn that shorty ●fter insued they recalled againe that sentence and admitted this Henry to the Crown by the name of King Henry the third and disanulled the a leageance made unto Lewis Prince of France and so king Henry raigned for t●e 53 yeares afterward the ●ongest reign as I think that any before or after ●im hath had in England Moreover you ●now from this king Henry the third d● take th●ir first beginning the two branches at Yorke and L●ncastee wihch after fe●● to fo great contention about the crown Into which if we would enter we should see plainely as before hath beene noted that the best of all their titles after their deposition of king Richard the second depended of this authority of th● com●on-wealth fot that as the people were affected and the greater part prevailed ●o ●ere their titles either a lowed confirmed altered or disanulled by Parliament yet may not we well affirm but that either part when they were in possession and confirmed herein by these Parliaments were lawfu●l kings and that God concurred with them as with true princes for government of the people for if we should deny this point great incouveniences wou●d o●ow and we should shake the states of most princes in the world at this day And to conc●ude as one the one side pro●inquity of b●ood is a great ●reheminence towards the atteining of any Crowne so doth it not ever bind the common wea●th to yeeld there-unto if weightier reasons shauld urge them to the contrary neither is the Common-wealth bound bound alwayes to shut her eyes and to admit at ●p-hazard or of necessity every one that is next by succession of b●oud as some fa●se●y and fondly a●●meth but rather she is bound to consider well and maturely the person that i● to enter whether he be ●ike to perform his duty and charge committeed or no for th●t otherwise to admitt him that is an enimy or unfitis but to destroy the Common wealth and him t●gether This is my opinion aud this seemeth to me to be conform to al reason aw● religion p●ery wisdome po●●icy and to the use aud customs of all well governed common-wea●thes in the world neither do I meane to prejudice any any princes pretence or succession to any crown or dignity in the world but rather do hold that he ought to enjoy his preheminence but yet that he 〈◊〉 not pr●judicall thereby to the whole body which is ever 〈◊〉 be respected more then any one person whatsoever The ninth Speech ACcording to law both civill and Canon which is great reason it is a matter most certaine that he who is judge and hath to give sentence in the thing it selfe is also to judge of the cause for thereof is he called judge and if he have authority in the one good reason he should also have power to discerne the other so as if we grant according to the forme and proofes that the Realme or Common-wealth hath power to admit or put back the Prince or pretender to the Crowne then must we also confesse that the same Common wealth hath authority to judge of the lawfulnesse of the causes and considering further that it is in their owne affaire and in a matter that hath his whole beginning continuance and subsistance from them alone I meane from the Common wealth for that no man is King or Prince by institution of nature as before hath been declared but every King and Kings son hath his dignity and preheminence above other men by authority onely of the Common wealth God doth allow for a just and sufficient cause in this behalfe the onely will and judgement of the weal publick it selfe supposing alwayes as in reason we may that a whole Realme will never agree by orderly way of judgement for of this onely I meane and not of any particular faction of private men against the heyre apparent to exclude or put back the next heyr in blood and succession without a reasonable cause in their sight and censurre And seeing that they only are to be judges of this case we are to presume that what they determine is just and lawfull for the time and if at one time they should determine one thing and the contrary at another as they did often in England during the contention between York and Lancaster and in other like occasions what can a private man judge otherwise but that they had different reasons and motions to leade them at different times and they being properly lords and owners of the whole busines committed unto them it is enough for every particular man to subject himselfe to that which his Common wealth doth in this behalfe and to obey simply without any further inquisition except he should see that open injustice were done therin or God manifesty offended and the Realme indangered Open injustice I call when not the true Common wealth but some faction of wicked men should offer to determine this matter without lawfull authority of the Realme committed to them and I call manifest offence of God and danger of the Realme when such a man is preferred to the Crowne as is evident that he wil do what lyeth in him to the prejudice of them both I mean both of Gods glory and the publick wealth as for example if a Turk or Moor or some other notorious wicked man or tyrant should be offered by succession or otherwise to governe among Christians in which cases every man no doubt is bound to resist what hee can for that the very end and intent for which all government was first ordeined is herein manifestly impugned From this consideration of the weal publick are to be reduced all other considerations of most importance for discerning a good or evill Prince For that whosoever is most likely to defend preserve and benefit most his Realme and subjects he is most to be allowed and desired as most conforme to the end for which government was ordained And on the contrary side he that is least like to do this deserveth least to be preferred and here doth