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not_o long_o since_o turn_v from_o we_o and_o become_v our_o adversary_n yea_o the_o late_a i_o thinkc_n which_o open_o show_v himself_o against_o we_o and_o so_o be_v like_a to_o be_v now_o must_v in_o man_n eye_n also_o he_o have_v heap_v together_o the_o most_o thing_n that_o the_o best_a of_o such_o defender_n have_v heretofore_o write_v beside_o all_o this_o the_o manner_n of_o his_o writing_n be_v with_o such_o a_o 122._o a_o defence_n 1._o pag._n 16_o 17._o 2._o pag_n 122._o insolent_a conceit_n of_o himself_o &_o with_o such_o 15._o such_o defence_n 2._o pag_n 55._o 15._o contempt_n indignation_n and_o despite_n against_o we_o as_o common_o be_v not_o see_v in_o any_o but_o those_o that_o slide_v back_o from_o the_o truth_n which_o they_o have_v once_o tact_v of_o and_o withal_o though_o in_o his_o defence_n he_o deal_v with_o another_o yet_o in_o many_o passage_n he_o very_o sharp_o provoke_v i_o in_o particular_a beside_o other_o wrong_n that_o he_o have_v do_v i_o well_o 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the_o church_n will_v not_o repent_v to_o be_v by_o the_o common_a consent_n of_o the_o church_n excommunicate_v until_o they_o repent_v and_o whosoever_o be_v excommunicate_v they_o again_o profess_v and_o show_v in_o their_o action_n amendment_n be_v altogether_o in_o lake_n sort_n receive_v into_o the_o church_n as_o they_o be_v exile_v from_o it_o namely_o by_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o elder_n by_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o authority_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o scripture_n and_o that_o denunciation_n whereby_o one_o be_v excommunicate_v be_v not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n but_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n and_o be_v do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n because_o this_o commandment_n be_v give_v by_o christ_n unto_o the_o church_n for_o he_o say_v express_o tell_v the_o church_n 5.22_o 12._o danaus_n in_o 1_o tim._n 5.22_o here_o also_o danaus_n be_v worthy_a to_o be_v remember_v he_o say_v 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and_o consent_n for_o they_o do_v the_o church_n the_o great_a injury_n when_o they_o spoil_v she_o of_o her_o judgement_n and_o voice_n give_v rob_v sacrilege_n or_o church_n rob_v who_o therefore_o be_v true_o to_o be_v call_v sacrilegious_a or_o church-robber_n neither_o indeed_o be_v he_o a_o lawful_a pastor_n which_o be_v over_o a_o flock_n be_v ignorant_a of_o his_o come_n or_o against_o their_o will_n or_o not_o consent_v which_o present_o after_o he_o stick_v not_o to_o apply_v to_o the_o calling_n of_o the_o minister_n in_o england_n say_v exit_fw-la his_fw-la omnibus_fw-la apparet_fw-la quam_fw-la nulla_fw-la sit_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la legitima_fw-la corum_fw-la verbi_fw-la ministrorum_fw-la vocatio_fw-la etc._n etc._n by_o all_o this_o it_o appear_v how_o that_o call_n of_o minister_n be_v none_o or_o not_o lawful_a which_o be_v make_v by_o the_o authority_n letter_n commandment_n and_o judgement_n of_o the_o king_n alone_o or_o queen_n or_o the_o patron_n or_o bishop_n or_o archbishop_n etc._n etc._n veluti_fw-la in_o mediâ_fw-la angliâ_n as_o it_o be_v use_v in_o england_n id_fw-la quod_fw-la dolendum_fw-la est_fw-la which_o i_o speak_v with_o grief_n moreover_o concern_v excommunication_n he_o say_v 1._o say_v in_o vers_fw-la 1._o hac_fw-la iurisdictio_fw-la est_fw-la totuâ—_fw-la quidem_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la ratione_fw-la potestatis_fw-la prepositotum_fw-la autem_fw-la ratione_fw-la exercitij_fw-la &_o adminisirationis_fw-la this_o jurisdiction_n be_v the_o whole_a church_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o power_n thereof_o but_o it_o belonge_v to_o the_o guide_n of_o the_o church_n in_o respect_n â—f_a administer_a it_o namely_o populo_fw-la assentiente_fw-la with_o the_o people_n consent_n as_o he_o add_v a_o â—ittle_a after_o and_o again_o executioni_fw-la puâ—lica_fw-la censura_fw-la intervenire_fw-la debet_fw-la notitia_fw-la &_o conâ—ensus_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la the_o knowledge_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o be_v in_o the_o execution_n of_o the_o public_a censure_n tilenus_n 13._o tilenus_n neither_o shall_v tilenus_n testimony_n be_v unremembered_a who_o answer_v the_o coâ—nt_n laul_n that_o require_v he_o to_o show_v what_o call_v calvin_n have_v say_v 3_o say_v respon_n ad_fw-la come_v lavallium_n quest_n 3_o the_o people_n of_o geneva_n profess_v the_o gospel_n do_v first_o call_v farel_n to_o be_v their_o pastor_n &_o then_o he_o &_o they_o call_v calvin_n to_o be_v likewise_o apply_v cyprian_n sentence_n thereunto_o who_o avouch_v 14._o avouch_v epist_n
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â—â—â—â—d_fw-la sedens_fw-la de_fw-fr repub_fw-la sentis_fw-la of_o the_o common_a â—ealth_n thou_o think_v one_o thing_n stand_v another_z sitting_z of_o christ_n visible_a church_n and_o the_o government_n thereof_o very_o our_o doctor_n do_v likewise_o chapter_n vii_o 7._o chap._n 7._o consequence_n of_o great_a importance_n follow_v upon_o the_o people_n free_a consent_n in_o their_o church_n government_n &_o inconvenience_n in_o religion_n not_o sufferable_a follow_v from_o the_o contrary_n after_o the_o forerehearsed_a witness_n for_o this_o doctrine_n we_o will_v now_o show_v certain_a clear_a and_o necessary_a consequence_n which_o follow_v from_o the_o same_o also_o some_o true_a and_o great_a inconvenience_n to_o faith_n and_o godly_a life_n and_o to_o civil_a authority_n such_o as_o be_v not_o to_o be_v tolerate_v which_o yet_o can_v be_v avoid_v where_o man_n profess_v to_o be_v christian_n embrace_v not_o this_o point_n of_o all_o fort_n i_o will_v here_o observe_v eight_o 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this_o 65._o this_o pag._n 65._o the_o apoâ—les_n appoint_a minister_n to_o whole_a city_n and_o country_n adjoin_v to_o labour_v so_o far_o as_o they_o â—ere_z able_a the_o conversion_n of_o all_o true_a what_o â—hen_o therefore_o they_o appoint_v they_o â—o_o stand_v minister_n still_o to_o whole_a city_n and_z country_n adjoin_v i_o deny_v â—his_n consequence_n it_o be_v a_o plain_a fallacy_n â—b_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la secundum_fw-la quâ—d_fw-la fallacy_n fallacy_n ad_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la 〈◊〉_d pray_v sir_n when_o logic_n fail_v you_o play_v not_o the_o sophister_n the_o apostle_n appoint_v minister_n to_o convert_v what_o they_o can_v in_o great_a city_n and_o country_n adjoin_v yea_o and_o in_o the_o whole_a 13.33_o whole_a math._n 13.33_o world_n but_o not_o to_o stand_v minister_n &_o pastor_n to_o all_o they_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v convert_v but_o only_o according_a tâ—_n the_o order_n and_o form_n of_o a_o church_n seâ—_n down_o in_o the_o new_a 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do_v nothing_o but_o equivocat_n let_v he_o understand_v a_o parish_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o before_o have_v define_v it_o 204.205_o pa._n 204.205_o and_o so_o i_o affirm_v that_o by_o the_o very_a apostle_n the_o church_n be_v divide_v into_o several_a parish_n that_o be_v â—ach_v church_n be_v itself_o a_o distinct_a paâ—ish_n and_o several_o divide_v from_o all_o oâ—her_n also_o the_o presbyter_n than_o be_v assign_v to_o their_o several_a cure_n viz._n to_o these_o parish_n or_o church_n but_o if_o he_o â—ake_v a_o parish_n as_o it_o be_v a_o congregation_n limit_v within_o a_o certain_a circuit_n of_o â—round_n and_o as_o a_o diocese_n be_v subdivide_v â—nto_o many_o of_o they_o as_o they_o be_v now_o so_o â—ve_v speak_v not_o of_o they_o yet_o common_o â—r_o altogether_o 77._o altogether_o pag._n 77._o he_o do_v so_o speak_v of_o â—hem_n wherefore_o here_o every_o man_n may_v â—â—e_v his_o vanity_n he_o do_v fly_v the_o true_a question_n and_o shufle_v in_o thing_n that_o â—e_v never_o intend_v then_o his_o gross_a untruth_n &_o unschollerlike_a assertion_n ought_v 〈◊〉_d be_v mark_v where_o he_o say_v 75._o say_v pag_n 75._o the_o â—ord_n ecclesia_fw-la be_v of_o a_o large_a extent_n then_o to_o signify_v only_o one_o assembly_n i_o appeal_v to_o all_o auâ—entike_a greek_a author_n thucydides_n deâ—osthenes_n plato_n aristotle_n isocrates_n etc._n etc._n out_o â—f_n who_o plentiful_a allegation_n may_v be_v bring_v all_o of_o they_o show_v that_o this_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la do_v evermore_o signify_v only_o one_o assembly_n and_o never_o a_o disperse_a multitude_n hold_v many_o ordinary_a set_a meeting_n in_o far_o remote_a place_n as_o diocesan_n and_o large_a church_n do_v now_o according_a to_o these_o and_o other_o greek_n live_v in_o the_o apostle_n day_n do_v the_o apostle_n speak_v and_o this_o i_o have_v heretofore_o often_o 110._o often_o reas._o for_o ref_o pag_n 64._o declarat_fw-la pag_n 31._o 32._o &_o above_o pa._n 110._o propound_v and_o affirm_v as_o a_o principal_a ground_n and_o cause_n of_o our_o dissent_n from_o the_o church_n state_n in_o england_n and_o the_o ground_n be_v certain_a it_o can_v not_o be_v with_o reason_n speak_v against_o the_o d._n here_o 15._o here_o pag._n 14._o 15._o put_v in_o to_o the_o contrary_a the_o use_n of_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la in_o eusebius_n who_o use_v it_o to_o signify_v sometime_o a_o diocesan_n and_o provincial_n church_n he_o do_v so_o sometime_o i_o deny_v it_o not_o and_o so_o after_o he_o the_o father_n do_v use_v the_o word_n likewise_o as_o epiphanius_n theodoret_n chrysostome_n and_o the_o councille_n and_o history_n writer_n etc._n etc._n all_o this_o we_o know_v well_o but_o what_o have_v we_o to_o do_v with_o these_o author_n so_o late_o and_o so_o partial_a as_o these_o all_o be_v touch_v the_o exposition_n of_o the_o greek_a word_n ecclesia_fw-la the_o time_n that_o eusebius_n write_v in_o write_v when_o eusebius_n write_v be_v about_o 340._o year_n of_o christ_n or_o little_o less_o all_o the_o rest_n write_v after_o he_o at_o which_o time_n or_o before_o viz._n present_o under_o constantine_n the_o outward_a form_n of_o the_o church_n do_v so_o alter_v and_o change_v from_o that_o under_o the_o apostle_n even_o in_o substantial_a point_n of_o church_n polity_n or_o in_o such_o point_n as_o do_v come_v near_o to_o the_o substance_n of_o it_o that_o it_o appear_v outward_o to_o be_v almost_o not_o the_o same_o and_o as_o the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n alter_v so_o the_o father_n and_o council_n which_o be_v then_o much_o affect_v that_o state_n do_v alter_v the_o old_a use_n of_o â—he_n word_n pertain_v to_o these_o matter_n as_o they_o practise_v so_o likewise_o they_o speak_v and_o write_v and_o so_o have_v most_o man_n follow_v after_o they_o whereby_o at_o the_o last_o antichrist_n be_v undoubted_o advance_v but_o our_o noble_a 214._o noble_a our_o attestator_n before_o mention_v &_o special_o pag._n 104._o &_o after_o pag._n 214._o forefather_n of_o late_a have_v discover_v this_o mystery_n of_o iniquity_n have_v find_v out_o also_o the_o corruption_n &_o depravation_n even_o of_o this_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la which_o have_v be_v extend_v large_a and_o far_o than_o apostolical_o it_o be_v the_o which_o abuse_v of_o this_o very_a word_n doubtless_o be_v a_o pregnant_a reason_n and_o mean_n among_o other_o to_o extend_v the_o church_n and_o government_n thereof_o to_o that_o universality_n which_o it_o come_v to_o and_o be_v still_o vehement_o challenge_v by_o the_o catholic_n wherefore_o great_a cause_n have_v we_o ad_fw-la originem_fw-la reverti_fw-la to_o go_v back_o even_o up_o to_o the_o first_o original_a and_o beginning_n as_o cyprian_n well_o advise_v us._n for_o so_o say_v he_o cessat_fw-la error_n humanus_fw-la thus_o and_o not_o otherwise_o error_n which_o have_v begin_v from_o man_n will_v cease_v wherefore_o we_o must_v refuse_v eusebius_n epiphanius_n theodoret_n and_o all_o either_o in_o or_o 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church_n be_v take_v for_o the_o people_n yea_o the_o church_n be_v never_o take_v in_o the_o new_a or_o old_a testament_n for_o the_o priest_n alone_o but_o general_o for_o the_o whole_a congregation_n of_o the_o faithful_a let_v i_o ask_v a_o question_n be_v d._n bilson_n a_o brownist_n be_v he_o a_o anabaptist_n when_o he_o write_v thus_o why_o then_o do_v mai._n downame_n call_v we_o these_o odious_a name_n only_o for_o the_o same_o judgement_n or_o be_v he_o offend_v at_o we_o because_o we_o can_v not_o change_v &_o turn_v our_o profession_n to_o &_o fro_o as_o they_o do_v for_o advantage_n some_o will_v say_v if_o this_o sense_n of_o these_o word_n be_v true_a object_n then_o perpetual_o and_o necessary_o all_o scandal_n etc._n etc._n whatsoever_o must_v be_v try_v in_o the_o presence_n &_o under_o the_o judgement_n and_o sentence_n of_o the_o whole_a multitude_n as_o they_o of_o the_o separation_n do_v hold_v which_o also_o it_o seem_v be_v cyprian_n usual_a practice_n of_o old_a answ_n answ_n i_o answer_v this_o consequence_n be_v far_o from_o truth_n for_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n in_o matthew_n 18.17_o certain_o be_v thus_o &_o no_o otherwise_o to_o be_v take_v viz._n plain_o and_o literal_o for_o the_o whole_a congregation_n see_v there_o be_v 1.226_o be_v def._n 1.226_o no_o cause_n nor_o reason_n to_o the_o contrary_a as_o elsewhere_o be_v observe_v but_o yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o that_o manner_n of_o hear_v &_o sentence_v of_o cause_n must_v be_v in_o every_o church_n perpetual_o and_o necessary_o etc._n before_o pag._n 108._o etc._n etc._n i_o grant_v it_o may_v be_v so_o in_o some_o church_n at_o some_o time_n and_o so_o cyprian_n practice_n be_v &_o now_o it_o may_v be_v again_o in_o some_o estate_n of_o a_o church_n good_a and_o commendable_a but_o to_o hold_v those_o popular_a circumstance_n in_o every_o church_n be_v church_n separation_n itself_o be_v no_o such_o error_n as_o this_o be_v perpetual_a and_o necessary_a absolute_o as_o the_o separation_n do_v it_o be_v neithtr_n cyprian_n meaning_n nor_o chrsste_n nor_o any_o well_o advise_v christian_n and_o yet_o again_o no_o man_n may_v take_v from_o the_o people_n absolute_o all_o manner_n of_o free_a consent_n as_o the_o l._n bishop_n do_v this_o be_v a_o substantial_a breach_n on_o the_o other_o hand_n incidit_fw-la in_o scyllam_fw-la qui_fw-la vult_fw-la vitare_fw-la charyâ—din_n extremity_n on_o both_o side_n be_v to_o be_v avoid_v as_o this_o so_o other_o text_n likewise_o do._n bilson_n will_v wrest_v from_o we_o in_o his_o 95._o his_o perp_n goâ—â—_n pag._n 95._o 8._o chap._n touch_v jurisdiction_n first_o act._n 15.22.23.25.28_o where_o manifest_o the_o apostle_n join_v the_o people_n with_o themselves_o in_o determine_v a_o controversy_n it_o seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o to_o we_o to_o lay_v no_o more_o burden_n on_o you_o now_o this_o he_o grant_v express_o say_v 9â—_n say_v pag._n 9â—_n the_o matter_n be_v handle_v in_o the_o audience_n and_o presence_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o with_o a_o general_a consent_n letter_n be_v write_v in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o to_o which_o 11â—_n which_o horn_n against_o fecknam_n pa._n 11â—_n b._n horn_n before_o he_o agree_v also_o nay_o d._n bilson_n go_v further_a say_v 373._o say_v perp._n gov_n pag._n 373._o this_o course_n the_o apostle_n teach_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n to_o follow_v by_o their_o example_n which_o be_v all_o that_o we_o desire_v yet_o he_o labour_v to_o frustrate_v this_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o to_o make_v it_o of_o no_o use_n to_o us._n to_o which_o intent_n he_o have_v 4._o exception_n 1._o â—7_n 1._o pag._n â—7_n paul_n stand_v not_o in_o doubt_n of_o his_o preach_n neither_o need_v he_o the_o consent_n of_o apostle_n or_o elder_n to_o his_o doctrine_n i_o answer_v he_o doubt_v not_o of_o his_o doctrine_n nor_o submit_v it_o to_o any_o to_o be_v censure_v yet_o he_o need_v the_o consent_n of_o other_o apostle_n and_o of_o the_o church_n at_o jerusalem_n for_o more_o countenance_n to_o his_o teach_n and_o that_o be_v all_o paul_n purpose_n here_o 2._o 97._o 2._o pag._n 97._o the_o apostle_n want_v neither_o authority_n nor_o sufficiency_n to_o determine_v the_o matter_n but_o they_o do_v in_o this_o case_n we_o must_v know_v therefore_o there_o be_v a_o twofold_a dertermine_n and_o decide_v of_o question_n one_o be_v particular_a and_o personal_a which_o every_o true_a pastor_n may_v perform_v in_o his_o ordinary_a teach_n much_o more_o the_o apostle_n single_o might_n and_o so_o paul_n be_v sufficient_a and_o do_v himself_o resolve_v many_o doubt_n to_o the_o roman_n to_o the_o corinthian_n to_o other_o without_o a_o council_n another_o determine_v and_o decide_v of_o question_n be_v cumulative_a as_o i_o may_v call_v it_o when_o it_o be_v do_v with_o more_o countenance_n and_o credit_n the_o former_a may_v