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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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certain that most of you gained no part of it your selves and the common ways your ancestors gained it for you was generally by adhering to Kings in subduing and oppressing the Commons or by pleasing their lusts malice revenge or covetousnesse for so Histories manifest and those that have been made Lords in our times have been advanced by the same occasions CCCC Pearle in a Dunghill p. 3 Why presume ye thus oh yee Lords set forth your merit before the people and say for this good it is that we will reign over ye remember your selves or shall we remember ye which of ye before this Parliament minded any thing so much as your pleasures plays masks feastings huntings gaming 's dancings with the appurtenances for what other have they been but a meer clogge to the House of Commons in all their proceedings how many necessary things have they obstructed how many evill things promoted DDDD Englands Birthright p. 17. Lievtenant Generall Cromwell according to his duty long since revealed the Earle of Manchesters treachery and basenesse at Dennington Castle and other places and proved it punctually by unquestionable witnesses before a Committee of the House of Commons Mistresse Lilburns petition to the House of Commons without any regard to the Earl of Manchesters Impeachment in your House of Treachery to the Country by Lievtenant Generall Cromwell which is commonly reported to be punctually and fully proved and a charge of a higher nature then the Earle of Straffords for which he lost his head and which also renders him so long as he stands so impeached uncapable in any sense of being a Judge and a great wrong and injustice it is unto the Kingdome to permit him and to himself if innocent not to have had a legall triall ere this to his justification or condemnation These are most base and calumnious slanders against a Noble Lord whose equall in piety meeknesse and innocence England for many years has not enjoyed EEEE Alarum p. 1. We may be bold to style them marks of Gentiles we have our Saviours own warrant for it who saith The Kings of the Gentiles exercise Lordship over them c. but it shall not be so among you whosoever will be chief among you Christians let him be your servant gracious Lords or favourable Lords titles that coald not be proper amongst Christians with whom there was no ruler nor government but by common election and consent agreeable to our House of Commons FFFF Birth-right p. 19. Some Gentlemen of the Bishoprick of Durham long since complained to divers Parliament men of old Sir Harry Vanes wilfull losing and betraying their Country being their Lord Lievtenant but by reason of his greatnesse could never be heard Ibid. p. 26. The Speaker turning himself to his brother said Sir John if this be true here is enough to hang you Well Sir saith Sir John whereas he chargeth me of letting Violet goe twice to Oxford during the time that he and Sir Bazil Brook were contriving their plot against the City you know I never let him goe but once and then I had your warrant for it Ibid. p. 46. It is enacted to be death unto any whosoever holdeth intelligence and correspondency with the Enemy all which Sir John Lenthall and the Speaker his Brother have done and yet it must neither be proved against them nor they tried nor arraigned but altogether excused cleared and freed even by Vote of Parliament GGGG Lilburns Letter to a friend p. 16. Many of them take to themselves 3 l. 10. s. a week and some of them more and others of them great places worth 500. l. 1000. l. 1500. l. 2000. l. and more per annum and live in as great pomp superfluity and bravery as ever they did in their days by the ruines of the people Ibid. p. 30. The Common-wealth has just cause to fear that they will make this present Parliament an everlasting Parliament and the Warre a never ending Warre seeing it tends so much to the enriching of Parliament men and their Officers who have already wisely as they think fenced themselves with an Ordinance made the 26 of June 1645. that they shall not be called to account for their M● the Common-wealths money nor plate that once commeth into their fingers GGGG 2. There is as little use of Lawyers to be in the House of Commons as there is of a plague or pestilence or of the Bishops and Popish Lords in the honourable House of Peers Just mans justification p. 15. And then farewell jangling Lawyers the wildfire destroyers and bane of all just rationall c. right governed Common-wealths Innocency and truth p. 35. Which way would rid the Kingdom of one of the unprofitable kinde of Cattle remaining in it namely William Prinne and his jangling associates who at the best are but an uselesse rabble an appropriating lying and milk-sucking Generation GGGG 3 Pearle in a Dunghill p. 4. It is easie to discern who are the Lords creatures in the House of Commons and how they were made theirs constantly manifesting themselves by their evil and pernicious partakings against the freedome of the people by those united endeavors monopolies in trades of merchandize oppressions of Committees corruptions in Courts of Justice grosse abuses in our Laws and Lawyers are maintained and the reformation intended in all things performed by halves nay quite perverted and a meer shadow given for a substance Remonstrance p. 18. Others there are and those a great number that are newly chosen into your House and we trust are such as will exceedingly strengthen the good part that hitherto hath been too weak to steer an eaven course amidst so many oppositions and crosse ways HHHH Birthright p. 43. As the Watermen at Queen-hive do usually cry Westward hough hough so according to the present current of the times most honest men have more then cause to cry in the Watermens language Egypt hough hough the House of bondage slavery oppression taxation heavy and cruell we cannot longer bear it we cannot longer bear it we are as much provoked and forced to cast off all your yokes and crosses from our shoulders except onely that of persecution as ever any people or Nation Ibid. p. 44. Few of our great and mighty men do either work the clay or make the bricks but they lay either all or most part of the burden upon the poor by heavy labour and sweat of their brows in the heat of the day not only in working of the clay and making of the bricks but if they do complain to higher powers upon their cruell and tyrannous task-masters they are so farre from getting any kinde of Justice that because they moaned or complained and groaned under such heavy and grievous burdens that they were not able any longer to bear or endure they are further ordained even for their complaining to gather stubble too because they are so idle Lilburns Letter p. 2. Then truly I have been a long time mistaken and so
indeed I have for had I thought that the Parliament had had no rule but their own will to have walked by I should never have drawn my sword for them and for my part I know no difference betwixt Tyranny and such proceedings Ib. p. 3. Since the first of May last I have by authority from the House of Commons been three times imprisoned before ever I knew mine accuser or my accusation or ever was suffered to speak one word in mine own defence Ib. p. 14. Hear O heavens and give ear O earth and thou righteous God that lovest Justice and judgement and hatest and abhorrest oppression and cruelty which makest wise men mad put forth thy hand and do justice thy self upon the unjust and unrighteous Judges of this age whom the people have set up for their good namely to preserve their lives liberties and estates as their faithfull Stewards and servants and yet destroy what they would seem to maintain p. 17. Amongst those that would be thought their friends they are rob'd plundered spoiled opprest undone and destroyed by all sides and no remedy left for redresse but the little ones to be eaten up of the great ones in every place which makes poor mens lives a burden to them that they are ready to wish themselves back again in Egypt in their bondage and rather to have one Tyrant then many Alarum p. 11. These deceivable snares leading to worse then Egyptian slavery wherein we our poor infants on their mothers breasts others who know not the right hand from the left yea and our whole posterity are most pitifully catched and involved even as Gods own particular people the Jews were in the days of Haman except there come such a happy and speedy remedy as it pleased him in mercy then to send beyond the expectation of man IIII Gangren second Part p. 117. They teach that the people of God are a free people and what they do they should do freely and voluntarily and not to be assessed and rated by the Parliament compelled to pay rate upon rate assessement upon assessement KKKK Gangren second Part p. 122. It was laid to M. Oats charge then that he had preached against the assessements of Parliament and the taxes laid upon the people teaching them that the Saints were a free people and should do what they did voluntarily and not be compelled but now contrary to this they had assessement upon assessement and rate upon rate LLLL Remonstrance p. 1. Calling those their Commissioners in Parliament to an account how they have discharged their duties to the universality of the people their Soveraign Lord from whom their power and strength is derived and by whom ad bene placitum it is continued MMMM Ib. p. 3. We are your principals and you our agents to preserve the splendor and glory of that underived Majesty and Kingship that inherently resides in the people or the State universall the representation or derivation of which is formally and legally in the State elect or representative and none else whose actions ought all to tend to that end against encroachments usurpations and violences of all its creatures officers and Ministers in the number of which are Kings themselves from whom for whom they have all their power and authority as the execution of their will and minde for their good and benefit to whom they are acountable for the faithfull discharge of that trust reposed in them NNNN Birthright p. 32 33. Whether is it not agreeable to Law justice equity and conscience that there should be a Parliament once every year and more often if need require that seeing this present Parliament by reason of the extraordinary necessities of the Kingdom have sate four years many of the Members betrayed their trust and those that remain ingrosse Law-making and also Law-executing into their own hands contrary both to reason and to the meaning of the Law by which manifest abusing negligent and not true using the Laws oppressions mischiefs and grievances are no lesse if not far more increased then they were before the Parliament began many times by the powerfull interest of a faction in the Parliament to save some one two or three of their Members undeserving credits they so violate the known unrepealed and declared Law of the Land yea and their own Votes Ordinances Declarations Protestations as if they had never made them I say all these things considered ought not the free men of England not only to choose new Members where they are wanting once every year but also to renew and enquire once a year after the carriage and behaviour of those they have chosen OOOO Vide supra NNN PPPP Remonst p. 20. Nor do we value a Trienniall Parl. before 3 years come to an end grievances mischiefs may be past remedy QQQQ Birthright p. 30. We have just cause to fear they will set up an interest of their own destructive to the common freedom so make this present Parl. an everlasting Parl. the War a never dying War seeing it tends so much to the enriching of Parliament men their Officers RRRR Vide supra also Conscience cautioned p. 12. If neither Law nor Lords will allow the people to be saved then may they not be saved any way and both Laws and Lords fall before their Soveraign the people as Dagon did before the Ark rather then the people perish Birthright p. 32. I have heard it reported that self-denying Cromwel was about a design of getting a Committee set apart an order made published to the whole Kingdom that if any man were unjustly oppressed by any Member of Parl. Committee-man or any other Officers or Ministers let him bring his complaint he shall have a just and fair hearing and justice done not in words but in acti●ns upon the transgressor Interest p. 10. We know it is not Gods way to have respect of persons in judgment and that the doing thereof has frequently lost Gods favour and made States miserable Englands lame●table slavery p. 6. What became of that common and thredbare doctrine that Kings were accountable only to God what good effects did it produce No they are but corrupt and dangerous flatterers that maintain any such fond opinions concerning either Kings or Parliaments SSSS The Conqueror rob'd England of Edward the Confessors Laws and in stead of them set up the Dictates of his own will whose Norman rules practises to this day yet remain in the administrations of the Common-Law at Westminster Hall By reason of their tediousnesse ambiguities uncertainties the entries in Latin as bad as the French because it is not our own tongue their forcing men to plead by Lawyers and not permitting themselves to plead their own cause their compelling of persons to come from all places of the Kingdome to seek for justice at Westminster which is such an iron Norman yoke with fangs teeth in it that if we were free in every particular else
giving them free liberty to joyn in the publick worship with any of what ever Religion among whom they lived EEEE by this means they got peace and were no more any where persecuted He himself retiring from Delph to Basil His strange end did live there for divers years unto his death in great wealth and case FFFF as a fugitive for the true reformed Religion he did so perfectly dissemble that he had the favour and good opinion both of the Magistrates and Ministers without the least suspicion of any wickednesse in him GGGG but three years after his death all his abominations were found out and his diligence by Letters by secret conferences and messengers to propagate his mishant way with his whole strength whereupon his bones were digged up and the remainder of his body burnt as the reliques of an unexpressibly scelerate villain HHHH The increase of the Mennonists While all the other factions of the Anabaptists did decrease the followers of the Priest Menno did much increase they did reject the earthly Kingdom and Polygamy of the Monasterians and Battenburgicks also the revelations and extraordinary calling of the Hophmanists with the most of the blasphemies of David George against all these Menno did write with passion IIII But to the point of Anabaptism and separation from all other reformed Churches to independency and to a number more of the Anabaptists tenets he did firmly adhere alluring many thousands to his way who continue to this day propagating their Errour to many Countries The errours of the Mennonists The wickednesse of that spirit which reigned in Menno and yet rages in his followers notwithstanding of all their profession of great piety of singular modesty and extream detestation of all the other sects of Anabaptists is apparent in the manifold grievous heresies and grosse schismes whereinto they themselves have of old broken out and persevere therein to this day Who are pleased to read the late little accurate and learned Treatise of Clopenburgh may perceive that the Mennonist dippers do oppose the truth of Christs humane nature KKKK that they were Masters to Vorstius in his deniall of the omnipresence and simplicity of the Divine Essence and of the unchangeablenesse of the Divine Decrees LLLL also that Arminius was their scholar in all his errors concerning predestination redemption grace free-will and perseverance Lastly that Swenkfeldius Servetus and Socinus did learn from them not only their Anabaptism but their deniall of the Trinity their abnegation of the Godhead both of the Sonne and of the Holy Ghost MMMM Their schismes The Mennonists schisms are no lesse palpable then their heresies for however their harmony in the most of their errours be great enough as in that confession of faith which in the year 1624. they set out in common it appears wherein with many ambiguous and deceitfull words they cover many of these tenets which in other writs they expresly maintain NNNN yet they are not able to cover their manifold schisms for it has ever been their custom upon the smallest matters to fall into so vehement discords as have made them excommunicate one another and remain in separations refusing communion one to annother unto this day Behold how small an occasion did bring them to no lesse then four irremediable fractions OOOO For a light cause four late separations among them one of the Mennonists at Franeker in a publick roping did seem to use some couzenage in buying of an house preventing by some sleight of hand another man who before him had a mind to the bargain this did so much displease some that they excommunicated the couzener others defended the honesty of the man and did excommunicate them who for no cause as they conceived had put a censure upon him hence two sects condemning one another to this day To reconcile both a third party did arise avowing that however the man in his bargain had used some piece of fraud yet that it was not so grosse as did deserve excommunication In this accommodation these mid men proceeded so far that they were excommunicated by both the dissenting parties whereupon their passion was so stirred that they did excommunicate them both also and lest the number of their schisms should be too small there arose a fourth party who being displeased with the frequency of their Brethrens censures did open the doors of their charity for all whom the rigour of others had excommunicated and cast out by this overlashing of their charity they did acquire from their companions the infamous title of Hamaxarii and Borboritae as men who were content to take into their society Cart loads full of polluted professors PPPP We will say no more of the Anabaptists over Sea The state of the Anabaptists in England their number in England till of late was not great and the most of these were not English but Dutch strangers for beside the hand of the State that ever lay heavy upon them the labours of their children the Separatists were always great for their reclaiming Notwithstanding of all the contentions of the Separatists among themselves yet all of them did ever joyn to write sharp and large Treatises against the Anabaptists In this Ainsworth Johnson Robinson Clifton did study who should be most zealous Independency the cause of their increase and boldnesse Hence it was that the Anabaptists made little noyse in England till of late the Independents have corrupted and made worse the principles of the old Separatists proclaiming for errours a liberty both in Church and State under this shelter the Anabaptists have lift up their head and increased their numbers much above all other sects of the Land Their ways as yet are not well known but a little time it seems will discover them for their singular zeal to propagate their way will not permit them long to lurk only the Confession of faith which the other year seven of their Congregations did put forth Their late confession is neither a full nor a clear declaration of their tenets and of late again in a second corrected Edition have set out with a bold preface to both the Houses of Parl. may no more be taken for the measure of their faith then that Confession which their elder Brethren in Holland did print not long ago in the name of all their company QQQQ For as the Dutch confession did dissemble a number of the grosse heresies which some of the very subscribers in their publick Writs both before and after did hold out it is even so with the English for Hobson Richardson and others of the subscribers have already printed divers Errours which in that Confession do not appear Moreover these seven congregations cannot prescribe and are no ways Leaders to a great number of Anabaptistick Churches over all the Land however I shall set down so many of their tenets as for the time comes to my thoughts from some little acquaintance with a few of their writs
that our heart can think of yet were we slaves by this alone the burden of which singly will pierce gall our shoulders make us bow stoop to the ground ready to be made a prey not only by great men but even by every cunning sharking knave Remonst p. 4. The History of our fore-fathers since they were conquered by the Normans doth manifest that this Nation hath been held in bondage all along ever since by the policies and force of the Officers of trust in the Common-wealth p. 15. Ye know the Laws of this Nation are unworthy a free people deserve from first to last to be considered and seriously debated reduced to an agreement with common equity and right reason which ought to be the form life of every government Magna Carta it self being but a beggerly thing containing many marks of intolerable bondage the Laws that have been made since by Parliaments have in very many particulars made our government much more oppressive intolerable Ib. He erected a trade of Judges and Lawyers to sell justice and injustice at his own unconscionable rate in what time he pleased the corruption wherof is yet remaining upon us to our continuall empoverishing and molestation from which we thought you should have delivered us ye know also imprisonment for debt is not from the beginning TTTT Modest Queries p. 10. at least in sensu composito to believe the deepest or highest mystery in Religion any further or any otherwise then as and as far as he hath reason to judge it to be a truth VVVV Vide Disswasive first Part p. 127. 152. also p. 31. 49. IIIII KKKKK XXXX I am credibly informed that this is the great and troublesome controversie for the time among the Governors of New England whether it be their duty to rule according to their gifts of Government according to some written Laws or without all humane Statutes Vid. Gang. 3 Part. YYYY Remonst p. 3. The free born people to their own House of Commons the cause of our choosing you to be Parliament men was to deliver us from all kinde of bondage we possessed you with the same power that was in our selves to have done the same for we might justly have done it our selves without you if we had thought it convenient choosing you as persons whom we thought fitly qualified and faithfull for avoiding some inconveniencies but ye are to remember this was only of us but a power of trust which is ever revocable and cannot be otherwise and to be imployed to no other end then our own well-being AAAAA Vide supra also Warning p 2. You hate and abhor those that would purge this corrupt humor out of you shew you a more just rationall way of Government then that of Kings Also Remonst p. 16. If ye would follow the good ex●mple of the Hollanders make this Nation a State free from the oppression of Kings Also p. 12. As if ye had discovered and digested that without a powerfull compulsive Presbytery in the Church a compulsive Mastership or Aristocraticall government over the people in the State could never long be maintained BBBBB Conscience cautioned p. 9. Know ye not the State of the State is it not the whole Kingdom each individuall I can prove it is O heavens will you Lord it over your Lords I professe if you make head against your heads any longer I know what it is and your self shall know for I say you deserve beheading CCCCC Conscience cautioned p. 6. Keep we humbly beseech you our right of Kinghood and Priesthood Just mans justification p. 14. The splendor and glory of that undivided Majesty and Kingship that inherently resides in the people or in the State universall DDDDD Remonst p. 7. Let the Lords stand to be chosen for Knights Burgesses by the people as other the freemen Gentry of this nation do EEEEE Vide supra YYYY FFFFF Remonst p. 20. That a Parl. chosen in Novemb. succeeding year by year may come in stead of the preceding Parliament GGGGG Just mans justifie p. 15. Reduce us back to that part of the ancient frame of government in this Kingdom before the Conquerors days that we may have all causes differences decided in the County or Hundred where they are committed or do arise without any appeal but to a Parl. that they may m●nthly be judged by 12. men of free and honest condition c● sen by themselves with their Grave or chief Officer amongst them and that they may swear to judge every mans cause aright without fear favor or affection then farewell jangling Lawyers the wildfire destroyers ba●e of all just rationall and right governed Common-wealths HHHHH Remonst p. 12. Ye vex and molest honest men for matters of Religion and difference with you and your Synod take upon you to determine of doctrine discipline approving this reproaching that just like unto former ignorant politick and superstitious Parliaments and Convocations therby have divided honest people among themselves by countenancing only those of the Presbytery discountenancing all the separation Anabaptists Independents Ib. We are well assured that neither you nor none else can have any power at all to conclude the people in matters that concern the worship of God for therein every one of us ought to be fully assured in our minds to be sure to worship him according to our consciences IIIII The Birthright p. 48 49. in the Postscript It would be excellent and needfull if the Parl. would ordain that every free man of Eng. who is able would bestow his service one year at least freely for the good of the civill State in any place or office of trust whereof his skill breeding a● fit him t● be most capable according as they shall be chosen those that are not able to serve freely for a year to have competent maintenance allowed to them to the value of 50 or 60 l. a year according to their charge If such be chosen for their skill and diligence though they want outward means for which allowance those that are conscientious wil do as good service at least as some others who have 1000 or 2000 a year The like rule is no lesse but far more excellent needful to be observed and established i● matters concerning the Church state wherin her servants are to perform their duties freely they being able to maintain themselves those with them whether by means obtained formerly or industry used daily otherwise to have the like allowance of 50 or 60 l. a year acording to their charge KKKKK Vide supra CHAP. IV. Their Antipaedobaptisme Arminianisme Arianisme Familisme and other wicked Errours THIS much for the first head of the Anabaptists All Anabaptists are for Antipaedobaptisme Brownistick Tenets so to call them being such as the Brownists of old did learn from the Anabaptists and which this day the Anabaptists take back again from