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A70289 A short answer to a book called The fanatick history published with the approbation of divers orthodox divines (so called) and dedicated to the king by Richard Blome (against the Quakers) : which being examined and tried, is found to be a packet of old lies, many of which was seven years since presented to the Little Parliament, and since to other parliaments and protectors, which by us was answered and confuted in the year 1653 many other lies and false reports is gathered up since by them, which herein is answered and disproved : and herein also is a short relation of the twelve changes of governments which have bin in this nation in those eight years, under all of which we have suffered and been persecuted for that truth, which we yet stand witnesses for, against all its opposers / Richard Hubberthorne ; James Nayler. Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1660 (1660) Wing H3232; ESTC R6755 22,690 31

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us and all the living whom he hath quicked with his appearance than the reading of the letter was or is to them who are without him being dead in their sinnes and reprobate in their understandings through the darkness of their hearts reading the Scriptures without the Spirit that gave them forth and this may answer thy accusation of George Whitehead and the question that was asked him And for thy seeking to make us as the Papists First in that the Pope to them is an Infallible Judge Secondly Written traditions equal to the written word We answer What is that to us who deny both the Pope his infallibility and his traditions they are none of them binding unto us look you to that who have the remainder of that Idolatry yet upon you in several things which might be instanced But blind man what a Comparison is this of thine Is it become an offence to say the Spirit of Christ is infallible and to confesse him come who leads into all truth Are we Papists in thy account for this You have too long made people follow you while you have been without that Spirit and little else have you to teach people but traditions who have not the Infallible Spirit to lead you in your worships and doctrine And so thy accusation I return upon thy own head And we can say no lesse of the Spirit of Truth and his word at this day than the holy Men of God have ever done in whom he hath appeared to wit that he is the same and his power the same and his word the same which liveth for ever and by which we now are armed and strengthned to withstand as great wickednesse and enlightened to see as great deceit in Teachers and people at this day we have cause to believe as ever appeared in the World from which we could not be delivered by our own wisdom reading or hearing of the letter till God sent the Spirit of Truth in the name of Jesus into us to enlighten our understanding in the Scriptures and against all spiritual wickednesse and deceitfull worships to quicken us with his power so to us he is the power and to him is the glory and the confession who liveth for ever and his dayes waxeth not old nor his voice feeble nor his arm short because many generations passe away before him and this is he that was before the letter who can work without the letter or with it and this is he whom men that know not have often opposed at his coming and have been broken for it though they professed the letter and this may answer thy accusation of George Fox or any other who have spoken any thing in the honor of his Appearance the power of his world or the danger of them that oppose it in this his day as well as formerly though we boast not of the fullnesse of our measure herein that is but thy accusation And for thy accusation that we deny the Personal body of Christ His coming in the Clouds to Judgement The visible Church And thy saying we are against Scriptures and against Ordinances against Sabbaths taking no notice of the moralitie of the fourth Commandement That we say the Doctrine of Original Corruption is a Soul-destroying God-blaspheming Doctrine That we are against Justification and Religiou● Education c. These are but thy false accusations not our Judgement nor our words but thou hast gathered the false accusations of the Priest● of New-Castle and other slanderous Spirits and this is the ground proof and foundation of thy Charge which hath been several times answered over-turned in the first rising of them as may be seen in the Answers to The perfect Pharisee and Sauls Errand and in a Book called The Pits mouth stopt by Fran. Howgill and several other Books to be seen in which your Folly is made manifest and what we own which is according to Scripture and what we deny which is your traditions and false worships never set up by God nor practised by his people to which Books we refer the Reader for full satisfaction herein And also in a book called Love to the Last by J. N. wherein these things are plainly spoken of And thou stumbles at the light as all the children of darkness must do And thou sayes we are strangely confused and know not well how to distinguish c. We say the confusion is in thy self and thy dark minde and not in us we stumble not who walk in light but all that walk in darknesse and hates the light must needs stumble as thou dost but to us is the light known and him that dwells in it to whom no mortal eye can approach blessed for ever and this is our all and the Nations of them that are saved must walk in it the power that we have in it we know the want we have had without it we know so we speak glorious things of the light and preach it before all its enemies without amazement for therein is the arm of God revealed mighty to save though many cannot receive our report but hates it because their deeds are evil as thou dost who calls it a natural Conscience and then saies we find Christ called the light and of him said that he lighteth every one that cometh into the world Is not here the Confusion and Jumble thou tells on in thy own dark old Bottle who cannot retain his Testimony but calls the light of Christ natural who thy self art the natural man that receives not the things of the spirit of God now the testimony that the Scriptures gives of him who is the light of the world whom we make our all as thou saiest And for that of perfection Thou charges us for saying that those that have received Christ and God are come to perfection and that all such as are in Christ are without sin To which we say yea he that comes to God and Christ comes to perfection and to him that is able to save from sin to the uttermost and he that abides in Christ sins not as saith the Scritures Heb. 7.25 1 John 3.6 and this perfection is in Christ and not of our selves and so is this freedom also and to him it is given and confessed and not to flesh and blood nor any carnal appearance But what seed art thou of to whom perfection and sanctification is so offensiv● which Christ and his Ministers commanded and preached And as to discerning Thou accuseth us for saying That the Saints by the Spirit that is in them can judge mens hearts and that such judging is Christs judging of them and that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints and for this accusation thou quotes Naylors Answer to Pendarvis Wherein thou wrongs Naylor for he doth not say that Christ shall judge no where but in the Saints nor that People may judge mens hearts by every Spirit that is in them but this we say that the Spirit of