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A08533	The picture of a Puritane: or, A relation of the opinions, qualities, and practises of the Anabaptists in Germanie, and of the Puritanes in England VVherein is firmely prooued, that the Puritanes doe resemble the Anabaptists, in aboue fourescore seuerall thinges. By Oliuer Ormerod, of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge. Wherunto is annexed a short treatise, entituled, Puritano-papismus: or a discouerie of Puritan-papisme.	Ormerod, Oliver, 1580?-1626.	1605 (1605)	STC 18852; ESTC S113478	77,758	124

the Altar that we l Admon page 95 receiue it kneeling according to Honorius decree that m Admon page 101 we borrow from Papists these wordes the bodie of our Lord Iesus Christ which was giuen for thee c. and that we haue Gloria in exceisis brought in by Telesphorus But to proceede on in these matters concerning a Admon page 10. 2. the Lords Supper what other opinions held they The Germaine 5 The 56. Sēblance THey held that we must not receiue the Lordes supper with wicked men And for proofe thereof they alleaged 1. Cor. 5. 11. to which place Maister b Cal●in ad ●●● Anabapt Caluin answereth thus Paul doth forbid to eate with those that liue dissolutely That pertaineth to priuate conuersation not to the publike Communion But will some say if it bee not lawfull for a Chrictian man to keepe companie with him that is wicked for corporall meate much lesse may bee receiue with him the Lordes bread I answere that it is in our power whether we● may be familiarly conuersant with the wicked or no and therefore ought euery one to ●he from them but it is not so in our power to receiue the Communion or not to receiue it therefore the reason is not all one wee must therefore note that if the Church doe tollerate and suffer an vnworthy man he shall doe well that knowing him to be such a one doth abstaine from his companie as much as hee can so that his doing make no schisme or separation in the Church The Englishman The c Admon page 102. Admonitors obiected the selfe same place to the same ende and purpose that your Anabaptists did and our late d In his defence of the answere to the Admon Page 603. Archbishoppe answerod them as Maister Caluin answered the Anabaptists But not to discourse any longer about the administration of the Sacraments did not your Anabaptists finde fault with your solemnization of Matrimony The Germane Yes they did indeede The Englishman What I pray you The Germane The 57. Sēblance SAint a Chrisost in 1. ad Tim. homil 9. Chrysostome an auncient Father reporteth how that in his daies those Maidens that kept their virginitie vsed to weare a Garland vpon the day of their marriages in token that they had ouercome the flesh and the lustes thereof This ceremonie as b Zanchius de matrim cap 2. Zanchius truly relateth we retaine still in Germany and that for these three speciall cause viz. 1. Because it is as hath beene proued by the testimony of S. Chrysostome of great antiquitie in the Church of God 2. Because experience teacheth vs that it doth much good in our Countrie for Maidens with vs doe striue for the Garland and so consequently to keepe themselues Virgins least they should bee married without a Garland 3. Because it hath for a long time beene vsed in our countrie and therefore none our Sectaries excepted doe speak against it for as c Ibid Zanchius speaketh in our behalfe res externae c. thinges externall which are not repugna●t to the word of God which neither are superstitious nor obsceane are to be ebserued according to the custome of the Countrie wherein we liue The Englishman The Ring in Matrimonie is as auncient a ceremonie as the Garland is for d Tertul in appol cap. 6. Tertullian who liued almost two hundred yeares before S. Chrysostome his time maketh mention of it Yea I make no question but that it was in vse in the very daies of our Sauiour Christ for Christ himselfe as S. e Iubet annulū reddi desponsationis in signe et nuptiarum pignus chrysost in Homil de patre et duobus filiis Chrysostome hath well obserued alludeth vnto it in that part of the Parable Luke 15. 22. then the Father said to his seruant bring forth the bestrobe and put it on him and put a Ring on his hand All which notwith-standing our Sectaries do not rest satisfied but do make sute b See their petition to the King that the Ring in Mariage may be corrected But to leaue the solemnization of Matrimony what did your Anabaptists teach concerning excommunication The Germaine THey taught that Excommunication is a matter of The 58. Sēblance saluation and that there is no true Church where no Excommunication is This the Anabaptists doe vrge saith c Bullinger lib. 6. aduers Anabapt Bullinger that there is no true Church acceptable vnto God where there is no Excommunication c. To these therefore we answere that the Church of Corinth was a true Church and so acknowledged of Saint Paul to be 1. Cor. 1. before there was any vse of Excommunication in it The Englishman Our Puritanes doe herein as it seemeth little differ from your Anabaptists for their chiefe Doctor d T C. reply page 14. faith that excōmunication and other censures of the Church are matters of saluation But what other faults found your Anabaptists with the Church of Germanie The Germane The 59. Sēblance WHat others truly they e Vide Bulling fol. 18. held it to be no Church at all and said in plaine tearmes that it was not the true Church of Christ The Englishman So haue our Sectaries likewise saide that our Church is not the true Church of Christ I will acquaint you with their words f Adm. 1. page 34. May it please your wisdoms to vnderstand that we in England are so farre off from hauing a Church reformed according to the prescript of Gods word that as yet wee are not come to the outward face of the same But tell me I pray you had your Sectaries no cause at all to find fault with your Church was there no olde Popish trash remaining in it Had you no Reliques of superstition amongst you The Germane The 60. Sēblance No but they construed indeede euery thing in the worst part for which cause Zuinglius saith thus of them a Zuinglius in ecclesiast If they were sent of God they would haue construed in the best part these externall things c. The Englishman The like may we say of our Sectaries for ther is scarce any thing in our booke of common Prayer which they haue not construed in the worst part To acquaint you with some particulars they make simple people beleeue that we absolue men from their sins when as indeed we doe onely in the name of God according to his b Iehn 20. 23 word pronounce to a penitēt sinner that he is absolued pardoned and forgiuen They do also beare the world in hand that we vse confirmation as a Sacrament that we adde it to make Baptisme perfect when as they know I appeale to their own consciences that confirmation now vsed in our Church is not to make Baptisme perfect but partly to try how the suerties haue performed that which was enioyned them when the children were baptized and partly that

epist ●6 ad Th●barita●o● et in lib. de vnitate Ecclesiae Cyprian m Orig. serm 8. in diuers et in psal 38. h● 2. Origen n Gregor Niz in oratione aduersus eos qui differunt baptismum Gregorie Nizen o Basil de spiritis sancto cap. 27 Basil p Ambros in l. de ii● qui mist eriis i●itiātur Ambrose q Hierom. in Ezech. ● Ieroni r Rabanus lib 4. de ●●ctitut clericor cap. 5 Rabanus ſ Goulart in Cyprianum Goulart But what do I cite these Fathers t Dyonis Areopag de ecclesiast Hierarch cap. de baptism● Dionisius Areopagita who liued in the Apostles time maketh mention of the crosse in Baptisme The Petitioners also committed this fallacie when they tolde his Majestie that u see their Petition to the King the restraint of Mariage is a Popish Cannon for it is a Cannon of an auncient Prouinciall x Synod Laodicen can 52. Synode which was confirmed in the sixt generall Synode held in Trullo But to come to their second Principle they do I say commit the fore-named fallacie in vsing a second false Principle viz when they teach that we may not vse that in our Church which is vsed in the Church of Rome How false this their Principle is I appeale to y Caluin in Exid. cap. 23. vers 24. Caluin z Iunius in Academ Iuius a Peter Martir in an Epistle to H●●per Peter Martyr b Gualthe● to N. and M. Gualther and all other writers of note Yea one of their owne principle writers ouer-throweth this their common Principle These are his expresse words c T. C. in his Epist pr●fixed before his second Book If amongst the filth of their herisses there may be found any good thing as it were a graine of good corne in a great deale of darnell that we willingly receiue not as theirs but as the Iewes did the holy Arke from the Philistines whereof they were vniust owners For heerin it is true that is said the sheepe must not lay downe her fell because she seeth the Wolfe cloathed with it Yea it may come to passe that the Synagogue of Sathan may haue some one thing at some time with more conuenience then the true and Catholike Church of Christ Such was the ceremonie of powring water once onely vpon the Child in Baptisme vsed with vs and in the most reformed Churches which in some age was vsed by those of the Eunomion heresie Loe heere I haue wounded their Goliah with his owne sword Let vs goe on The Germaine The 38. sēblance THe Anabaptists vsed a third fallacie which a Anst de sophist Elench Lib. 1. cap. 5. Aristotle calleth to para to to me aition os aition tithenai that is the taking of that for the cause of a thing which is not the cause For they reasoned as both b Bulling aduers Anabap. Bullinger c Zuinglius in Ecclesiast Zuinglius doth report on this manner your Ministers cannot teach truely because they haue great liuings The Englishman Our Puritanes haue commited the same fault in sundry places of their writinges as namely when they cōdemne Surplesses and other particulars because as they say d Admon pag. 241. sect 2. they worke discord and do hinder the preaching of the Gospell when as the apparell is not the cause therof but it is the sinister affection the contentious minde the peruerse and the rebellious nature of man Againe they vse this fallacie whē they say that e Admon pag. 42. sect 2 3. Ministers do now run and ride for benefices and by vnlawfull sute and buying preuent other suters because the congregation hath not authoritie to call Ministers For it is not the fault of the calling but of the man And againe the Booke of ordring of Ministers and Deacons set forth by this Church of England requireth that whosoeuer is to be admitted into the Ministry should be so tryed both for learning and life as Saint Paul requireth 1 Timoth. 3. and Titus 1. Now the f Admō pag. 36. sect 1. Puritanes do ascribe the neglect of this dutie to the rule appointed as if wee should call the Law euill because some Lawyers in their office doe swa●●● from it T. C. also played the Sophister when hee condemned our prescript forme of seruice or Liturgie g T. C. reply page 104. sect 3. because as he said it maintayneth an vnpreaching an 〈◊〉 and vnlafwul ministerie for it is not the prescript forme of seruice that maintayneth vnleraned Ministers noe more then it is the word of God that engendreth heresies But what other fallacie committed your Anabaptists The Germaine The 39. sēblance THey committed as you may read in our Germaine writers an other faulte in reasoning which Aristotle a ●rist de sophisticis elench lib 1. cap. ● calleth sophisma para to ●pomenon that is when eyther there is an erroneous consequence or els none at all They did licentiously wring or wrest the Scriptures to serue their owne ●utne and quoted many places of Scripture from which they could inferre nothing by necessarie cons●quence The Englishman It hath been the tricke of Heretickes Schismatikes in all ages to fill the margents of their Bookes full of plac●s of Scripture that by this meanes they might the more easily deceaue the simple p●ople and make them thinke their whole Bookes to be Scripture and nothing els but Scripture wh●n as in deed they wrung from the Scripture that s●nce which the wordes themselues would not beare To insist onely in our owne Schismatikes they neyther care for maior minor nor conclusion so they saye something Take a view of their m●rgents you shall see how vainely they haue painted them with shamefull abusing of the Scriptures To prooue that ministring of interrogatories to Infants is a mocking of God and a foolish toy they quote Galat. b Admonition 1. page 192. Sect. 2 6. 7. Be not ye deceiued 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ●ocked for whatsoeuer a man soweth 〈◊〉 shall he reape To prooue ●h●● is not in the God-fathers Godmothers ●perfor●e that which they promise c Ibidem they quote Rom. 7. 15. ●allowe not that which I doe for what I would that I doe not but what I hate that doe I. And verse 18. for I knowe that in mee that is in my flesh dwelleeh no good thing for to will is present with mee but I finde no meanes to performe that which is good And vers 21. I find then by the Lawe that when I would doe good e●i●● is present with me To prooue that wee should not receiue the Communion kneeling a Admon ●ag 182. sect 1. they qu●te Exod. 20. 5. Thou shalt not bowe downe to them nor worshipe them To prooue that Ministers are not ●yed to any forme of Prayer inuented by man b Admon pag. 77. sect 3. they quote 1. Timo. 1. 2. vnto Timothy my naturall

Nazarens Beguardines Ebionites Catobabdites Catharists Enthusiasts Donatists Iouianists Brownists and Papists The Protestant COME neighbour let vs shake handes and be friendes The Puritane Shake hands with a Formalist The Protestant Why not with a Formalist you will not sticke to shake hands with a Papist The Puritane Doe we shake hands with the Papists c These are T. C. his wordes pag. 7. sect S●lt Whilest you compare vs to the Anabaptists some friend of yours might thinke that you said truely because such alwayes seeking darke and solitarie places might happily haue some fauourers which are not knowne But when you ioyne vs with the Papists which are commonly knowne to all men whose Doctrine wee impugne as well as you whose markes and badges we can lesse away with then you hose company we flie more then you whose punishment wee haue called for more then you for your part haue done and therefore are condemned of them as cruell when you often times cary away in the name of mildenes and moderation which for sooth knowe no commaundement in the Scriptures to put Heretickes to death when I say you ioyne vs thus with the Papist you doe not onely loose your credit in these vntrue surmises wherein I trust with the indifferent reader you neuer had any but you make all other thinges suspected which you affirme so that you giue men occasion to take vp the common prouerbe against you I WILL TRVSTE YOV NO FVRTHER THEN I SEE YOV The Protestant Pilate and Herod were at great ods about priuate matters betweene themselues but whē they had to deale with Christ they could then become friendes conioyne together for his destruction the Pharisies and Saduces were of contrary sects yet were they both enemies to Christ his Doctrine The Anabaptists agreed not with the Papists yet they both sought to deface the church of Christ did cleane together in their deuises against Christ as the Skales of Leuiathan euen so you though ye be at enmitie with the papists though you impugne their Doctrine though ye cannot away with their markes and badges though ye flye their company though ye call for their punishment yet in defacing deprauing of this Church of England you fully ioyne with thē against vs. So that as there was a day whē Herod and Pilate were made friends so there is I see a day when Papists Puritanes are made friends And for this cause did our reuerend Bretheren of the Vniuersitie of Oxford a In their Epist dedicatory before their answere to the Petition obserued this seauen-folde semblance betwixt you and the Papists 1. You both entitle your selues the Kinges afflicted subiects and aboue all other his deuoted Seruants 2. You both pretend an enforcement of a speedye recourse to his Maiesty for a present redresse and reformation 3. You both complaine of being ouer-whelmed with induring persecution through losse of liuing and libertie 4. You both ground your Doctrine and Discipline vppon the sacred Text of Gods word and Gospell 5. You both condemne the obedience of vs Protestants to the lawes established to be not for conscience and zeale but for morall honestie and feare of temporall punishment say the Papists for their owne quiet credit profit in the world say you 6. You both renounce a publike alteration and dissolution of the state ecclesiasticall 7. You both denie that you exhibite your petitions with a tumultuous spirit or with a disloyall and schismaticall minde The Puritane What tell you mee of these things these are but matters of circumstance but haue you obserued any semblance in any matter of substance I tell you plainelye that wee defie the Pope and his Religion we say that he is Antichrist because he aduaunceth himselfe aboue all that is called God For whē Kinges and Emperors to whome the name of God is communicated doe comeinto the presence of his holynes they b Lib. cerem 1. sect 5. cap. 3 Lab. 3. sect 1 cap. 3. must forsooth after obeysance done in three seuerall distances fall downe before him and kisse his feete And if c lib. 1. cerim sect 2. cap. 3. they be in presence when he taketh horse the chiefest of them must holde his right stirrop and likewise when he lighteth off doe the same Take an example of his insolent and Antichrist ā behauiour Pope a Naucler generat 40. Alexander the third excommunicated the Emperour Fredricke Barbarossa and tooke his Sonne prisoner in Venice And when he came into the Church of Saint Marke there to the end that hee might bee absolued and his Sonne restored the Pope hauing commaunded him to prostrate himselfe vpon the ground so to aske pardon sette his foote in the necke of the said Emperour saying it is written Super aspidem basiliscum ambulabis conculcabis Leonem Dracaonem The Protestant If the Doctrine of your consistorians and disciplinarians might take place our Kinges of England I feare would in short time bee brought to the like slauerye for doe not they teach that Princes ought to submit themselues to the Seniors of the Church and that they ought to be content to bee ruled and gouerned to bee punished and corrected to bee excommunicated and absolued by their discretion and at their pleasure Christian Princes must remember saith T. C b T. C. page 144. sect 1. to subiect themselues vnto the Church to submit their Scepters to throwe downe their Crowne before the Church yea to licke the dust of the feete of the Church Doth not this Puritan-popish Doctrine smell of Antichristianisme But to proceede wherein doe your chiefe writers dissent from the Popish writers The Puritane Wherein doe we not The Protestant Insist in some particulars The Puritane Cardinall c Bellar. de concil cap. 12. Bellarmine d Cardill in defens concil Trident. dis 1. Cardill e Harding in confut apol Anglic. parte 5. cap. 6 sect ● Harding and the rest of the Popish Doctors teach that Councels and Synods may be assembled without the Knowledge of the Emperour The Protestant Doe not your Doctors teach the same Doctrine haue they not had many assemblies and classicall Synodes wherunto the authorizement of the Prince was not had is not their opinion answerable to their practise The Puritane a Bellar. lib. 1. de concil cap. 19. Iohannes de turre crematae lib. 3. de ecclcs cap. 22. cardill in disput 2. de concill The Papists also teach that the Emperour ought not to be ouer-ruler or determiner in Councels and Synods The Protestant Doth not T. C. teach the selfe same Doctrine b T. C. Lib 2 pag. 165. 154 No ciuill Magestrate saith he in Councels or Assemblies for Church matters can either be chiefe moderator ouer-ruler Iudge or determiner The Puritane Yea but doe any of our teachers deny the Kings supremacy as the Papists doe The Protestant What say you to T. C. who speaketh moste cleerelye and seemeth to be

on the Popes side in this matter His wordes are these c lib. 2. page 48. The Christian Soueraigne ought not to be called the hoad vnder Christ of the particular and visible Churches within his Dominions The Puritane But doe any of our writers spoy le the Ciuil Magistrate of all gouernment in Ecclesiastical matters as the Papists doe The Protestant Yes the Admonitors say in plaine tearmes that d Admon page 126. to these three ioyntly that is the Ministers Seniors and Deacons is the whole regiment of the Church to be committed Now if the whole gouernment of the Church be to be committed to Ministers Seniors and Deacons what authoritie remaineth to the ciuill Magistrate in the gouernment of it The Puritane a These are the words of T. C. page 153. I answere in the name of the Authors of the Admonition that the Prince and ciuill Magistrate hath to see that the lawes of God touching his worship and touching all matters and orders of the Church be executed and duely obserued and to see that euery Ecclesiasticall person doe that office whereunto he is appointed and to punish those which faile in their office accordingly As for the making of the orders and ceremonies of the Church they do where there is a const●●uted and ordered Church pertaine to the Ministers of the Church c. The Protestant I reply with the wordes of the late Reuerend Archbishop b In his defence of the answere to the Admon page 694. 695. 696. VVhat no more but to see them executed how differeth this from Papists The Papists giue to the Christian Magistrate in Ecclesiasticallmatters potestatem facts noniuris that is to see those lawes executed and put in practise that the Pope and his Cleargie shall make and to be as it were their executioner but not to make any lawes in Ecclesiasticall matters for doth not Saunders a popish writer say the same c saunders fol. 64. Although I do not deny saith he that the knowledge of a fact that belongeth to the Ecclesiasticall lawe may be committed to Kinges and Magistrates and before the Ecclesiasticall cause be determined the King may vse his authoritie to this ende that there may bee some quiet place prepared where the Bishops shall consult and that the Bishops be called to the same place at a certaine day and that in the meane time while the matter is in determining common peace may bee preserued euen among the Priestes themselues To conclude after the cause be determined and iudged by the Priestes the King may punish him with the sword which hee carieth not in vaine or by some other corporall punishment which shalrefuse to obey the sentence of the Priestes a Muscul in locis com-titu● de magistratu Musculus also setteth out this Popish opinion touching the authoritie of the ciuill Magistrate in Ecclesiasticall affaires very plainly in these wordes Those whome they call Ecclesiasticall Persons and wee call them Papists will not commit to the Magistrate any further authoritie in Religion then to bee the keeper and reuenger of it and of their Ecclesiasticall Lawes that the Ecclesiasticall pollici● may remaine immoouable wherefore they deny hin to haue authoritie in that hee is a Magistrate to make or to publish any Ecclesiasticall lawes because such thinges pertaine to those that do represent the Church whose decrees and constitutions must bee maintained and defended by the authoritie of the Magistrate But to leaue this resemblance what arguments doe the Popish Doctors vse against the Princes authoritie in causes Ecclefiasticall The Puritane b Sanders lib. 2 cap. 1. fol. 27. Saunders c Harding against the Apologie fol. 118. Harding and other of them do quote 2 Chron. 198. 11. which place maketh indeede fully against them for Iehosaphat had chiefe authoritie and gouernment both in thinges pertaining to the Church and in thinges pertaining to the Common-wealth but for better execution of them the one hee did commit to bee executed by Amaziah the Priest the other by Zebadiah a Ruler of the house of Iuda euen as the Kings Maiestie being in all causes both Ecclesiasticall and Temporall within these his Realmes and Dominions supreame gouernour committeth the hearing and iudging of Ecclesiasticall matters to the Reuerend Fathers of the Church and of Temporall matters to the Right honourable the Lord Chancelour and other Iudges Now had Iehosaphat nothing to doe with Church-matters because he made Amaziah Priest iudge in the same they may as well say that bee had nothing to doe in Temporall affaiers because he also appointed Zebadiah to heare and determine them The Protestant True and yet T. C. quoteth the selfe same place to prooue the selfe same thing a T. C. page 145. sect 1. looke saith he in the second Booke of the Cronicles in the 19. Chap. and in the 8. and 11. verses and you shall see that there were a number appointed for the matters of the LORD which were Priestes and Leuits and there were other also appoynted for the Kinges affayers and for matters of the Commō-wealth c. The Puritane But in what other thinges agree we with the Papists The Protestant 1. The Papists would not haue the scriptures read in the Church to the people No more would your Puritane-popish writers for b In their viewe of po Pish abuses remaining fol. 2. they blush not to say that reading is no feeding but as euil as playing vpon a Stage and worse too 2. The Papists condemne our Book of common prayers set out by publique authoritie and the whole order of seruice so doe you 3. The papists say that our Sacraments are not rightly ministred so say you likewise as hath beene already shewed 4. The Papists say that we haue no right ministerie in England no Pastours no Bishops because they be not rightly and canonically called to these functions the selfe same doe you affirme as hath also beene shewed 5. The Papists auouch that we are not the true church no that wee haue not so much as the outward face and shew of the true Church the selfe same thing do your Puritan-popish teachers auouch in their first Admonition page 33. and in their second admonition page 6. The Puritane All this notwithstanding we come farre short of the Papists for Popery is as a ● B●in his toyle for 2. legged Foxes chap. 3. one truely saith an hotch-potch and miserable mingle-mangle of all Sathans forgeries and diuelish heresies VVith Carpocratian Heretickes they set vp the image of Christ and other Saints with the Anthropomorphits they pain● God the Father like an olde man with a gray beard with the Pelagian Heretickes they maintaine free will power to iustifie our selues and to fulfill the commandements with the Messalians they mumble their Mattens Pater nosters and seauen Psalmes by number vpon a payre of Beades with the Tatians Cataphryges Montanistes and Ebionites they seeke sanctification in eating and not eating in marrying