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A36836 Declaratory considerations upon the present state of affairs of England by way of supplement.; Short and true account of the several advances the Church of England hath made towards Rome. Supplement Du Moulin, Lewis, 1606-1680. 1679 (1679) Wing D2539; ESTC R1765 11,612 23

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it was disputed against in the year 1641. By the Author of an Excellent book the title whereof is The Heritage of Bishops and who it is thought was a Bishop for he there expressly denyes their right of Suffrage and voting in the house of Peers as you may see by his words pag. 22. Dogma est pontificium quod regimen Ecclesiasticum est distinctum à civili c. That opinion which distinguishes the Ecclesiastical jurisdiction from the civil is a pure piece of Popery It is affirmed by Bellarmine libr. de Pontifice cap. 5. with an accent of so much the more assurance as it is not contested neither by the Protestant Doctors nor by those of Rome this is what that Cardinal affirms from a pure motive of interest that so he might exalt the power of the Pope above that of KINGS and Princes and that so he might exempt the Clergy from their submission to the Secular Authority Calvin agrees with Bellarmine Instit lib. 4. cap. 11. Sect 1. c. But let it not displease them though this opinion be the Idol of all the world and it hath run through all places and though not only in England but elsewhere the Ecclesiastical Courts are distinct from the Civil yet I do boldly maintaine that this opinion and this Practise is not approved of by God and is contrary to the antient practise under the legal Oeconomy and is the cause of the introduction of Popery into the world and of the disorders that have since come by it AGAIN this Model of Government made by the KING or by his Parliament is so much the more considerable as it hath an harmonious concurrence with that of the first Reformers in England and elsewhere when they made but one body of the Church and of the Republick and did put Ecclesiastical power into a meer mockery and illusion and excommunication they made of it a fantasme unless both were subordinate to the Civil power Such were Zuinglius Cranmer Ridley Hooper Martyr Bullinger Musculus Gualterus and those who succeeded them the two Bishops Wilson and Andrew Richard Hooker Dr. Stillingfleet Cameron Tilenus Rivet Vedel Maccerius Des-Marets Mastrezat Mr. Gaches in his Sermon at the ordination of Mr. Sarrau Mr. Mussard and a hundred others AS to the other overtures for the establishing of good Religion and good order in the Church it is not necessary to speak of them in particular and retaile so long as those who set at the helme of affaires know that the Reformation must begin by that of the Universities banishing out of those Schooles all the Doctrines and persons infected with the Heresies of Rome Pelagius and Socinus and putting into their places such as were in them about twenty years ago or the very Individual persons if they are yet living IT is to be wished also that these Sages of the Parliament would well consider 1. THAT the first Legislators never made Laws to the people until they had before hand throughly weighed whither their dispositions were likely to receive them and the number of the persons either who would in all probability submit voluntarily to them or who possibly might be extream averse to those laws 2. THAT as it is altogether unreasonable nay impossible to impose upon the Scotch people the Ecclesiastical Government the Liturgy and the Ceremonies of England for which fourscore and nineteen of a hundred have an Aversion the honourable Members of Parliament would do well to take the same measures in their debates and practices as to Reformation that they have a design to do in matters of Religion and since of ten persons in England that have a love and kindness for the Protestant Religion there are two thirds of them that cannot away with the Episcopal Government in that manner as it is at this day established at least the Liturgy and the Ceremonies it would be to act contrary to Reason and to continue division disorder and animosities if they did continue the imposition of them 3. THAT this was the thought of Mounsieur de Thou in his Preface to Henry the fourth that it was to sin against Reason and the Peace of the Kingdome to think of being able to bring those of the Reformed Religion to the Communion of Rome and that the onely consideration of their great number ought to perswade the KING to give them as much Religious as Civil liberty 4. THAT as to England it ought also to be the Opinion of its Legislators For it hath it hath been that of all the great men both within and out of England of a Burleigh a Walsingham a Bacon Lord Verulam a Shaftsbury and a Hollis It has been likewise the Opinion of the Papists themselves and of Strangers that have come over into England and have made an exact search and inquiry into the humours the genius and number of those people that adhere to the reigning Religion and of those that are contrary to it My Lord Castlemaine against Dr. Floyd speaks of the Prelates as of persons that have lost their Senses to set upon the Persecuting of those that are much more numerous than themselves They would be punishing for Conscience where above half of the Nation is openly of a perswasion contrary to theirs and three fourths of the remaining parts care not a Fiddle-stick for them SORBIERE in his Voyage into England sayes the Churches are built after the Protestant way and are only great Auditories with Galleries particularly for the use of preaching and some small Cantle of the Liturgy For the people have an aversion for it and the Religion which is at this day received from the State is the least followed in pag. 58. he sayes indeed the Presbyterians are those that have re-established the KING upon his Throne and it is that for which they now reproach him being so persecuted as they are ABOVE all the Italian Historian Siri is express in his History di Currenti tempi La puritana cice che professando il Calvinismo nella sua rigida para forma constituisie la parte l'altre che con odio sempre implacabile alla Religione Catholica The meaning is that the Puritans are that part of the people both the most holy and the most numerous as also the most powerful and most rich and that have the greatest aversion to the Roman Catholick Religion All these considerations and all these testimonies are they not sufficient to perswade our Legislators to make a Reformation adjusted to the great number of the Puritanical people of England and who exceed the others not onely in number but also in purity of Doctrine and exactness of Life and Manners BUT the incongruity of making the Essay of Reformation in the time of KING Edward the sixth to pass for a full and compleat Master-piece that ought not to be touched again is no less than when the tenth part of the people of England and the thousandth part of the Protestants would fain pass for the