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A35603 The case of Anthony Earl of Shaftsbury as it was argued before His Majesties justices of the Kings Bench, Trin. Term., 29. Car. 2 : being upon his confinement in the Tower &c. : with a speech of this worthy Earl, pleading his own case, and the liberty of the subject. Shaftesbury, Anthony Ashley Cooper, Earl of, 1621-1683. 1679 (1679) Wing C883; ESTC R4010 14,439 19

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