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A54631 Lex parliamentaria, or, A treatise of the law and custom of the parliaments of England by G.P., Esq. ... ; with an appendix of a case in Parliament between Sir Francis Goodwyn and Sir John Fortescue, for the knights place for the county of Bucks, I Jac. I., from an original French manuscript, translated into English.; Lex parliamentaria. English Petyt, George. 1690 (1690) Wing P1943; ESTC R4908 108,214 341

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Returned And notwithstanding their Resolutions scilicet the Resolution of the Judges the Commons House hold clearly that Sir Francis Goodwyn was well Received into Parliament and the King commanded them to Confer together and Resolve if they could of Themselves and if they could not Resolve to Confer with the Judges and then to Resolve and when they were Resolved then to deliver their Resolution to his Councel not as Parliament men but as his Privy Council by whose hands he would receive the Resolution and for that purpose he left them behind him he himself being to ride to Royston a hunting And to pursue the Commandment of the King the Commons House clearly Resolved That what they had done was well and duly done and they were of Opinion clearly against the Judges as to the Matter of the Outlawry and that Ratione of the Presidents And also that the Parliament only had to do with the Sheriff's Returns of Members of Parliament and that the Returns ought not to be made till the first day of the Parliament and therefore They would not confer with the Judges But they appointed a Committee to consider of the Reasons to be delivered to the Council for the Satisfaction of the King which Committee by the Assent of All the House of Commons sent to the Lords this Resolution following videlicet As to what the King taxed the House for That they medled with the Sheriff's Return of Members of Parliament Note This Resolution was written in Parchment and so delivered to the Council of the King not as Parliament men but Representing the King's Person and a Copy thereof was kept in the House being but one half of the Body the Lords being one and the Principal Part of the Parliaments Body As to that They Answered That all Writs for the Election of Members of Parliament were returned into the Parliament House before 7 Hen. 4. at which time it was Enacted That all such Returns ought to be made in Chancery and that appeared by the Records from the Time of Edward the First until the said Year of the Seventh of Henry the Fourth And therefore the Parliament must of Necessity have only medled with the Returns till the making of the said Statute of the Seventh of Henry the Fourth at which time the place of the Return was alter'd and Enacted to be in Chancery but yet that did not take away the Jurisdiction of the Parliament to meddle with the Returns of the Members of Parliament but that remained as it was before And this was manifest as well by Reason as by Vse For that Court is to meddle with Returns where the Appearance and Service of Members is to be made and used But in the Parliament only the Appearance and Service are to be made and used and therefore in the Parliament only are the Returns to be examined and censured Likewise ever since the making of the said Statute of the Seventh of Henry the Fourth the Clerk of the Crown attends the Parliament every day till the end of it with all the Writs and Returns and at the end of the Parliament he brings them into the Petty Bag. The Presidents also do warrant this intermedling with Returns for the Parliament as in the Twenty ninth of the Queen a Writ issued forth to the Sheriff of _____ who made a Return before the day into Chancery and the Chancellour upon that Return containing such matter as this Writ now contains sent a second Writ to the said Sheriff who thereupon made a new Election and that second Writ was also returned and both the Writs and Returns brought into Parliament and there Censured by the Parliament That the first should stand and that the second Election was void and that the Chancellour hath no Power to award a second Writ nor to meddle with the Return of it and divers other Presidents were shewn by the Commons to the same Effect videlicet In the Nine and twentieth of Queen Elizabeth One. And in the Three and fortieth of Queen Elizabeth another And in the Thrity fifth of the Queen two Whereof one was upon the Return of the Sheriff that the Party first elected was Lunatick and thereupon the Parlament examined it and upon Examination thereof they found the Return true and gave a Warrant for another Writ As to the Matter that they were but One half of the Body to that they said That though in the making of Laws they were but an Half Body yet as to Censuring of Priviledges Customs Orders and Returns of their House They were an Entire Body as the Vpper House was for their Priviledges Customs and Orders which Continual and Common Vsage hath Approved of As to their Charge of having used Precipitancy and Rashness they Answered That they used it in such a Manner as in all Other Cases they were wont to do scilicet To have first a Motion of the Matter in Controversie and then they caused the Clerk of the Crown to bring the second day the Writs and Returns and They being thrice read they proceed to the Examination of them and upon Examination gave Judgment which was the true Proper Course of the Place As to the House's not having used the King well the thing being done by his Command they say That they had no Notice before their Sentence that the King himself took any special Regard of that Case but only that his Officer the Chancellour had directed the second Writ as formerly had been done As to the Matter of the Outlawry They said That they understand by his Royal Person more strength and light of Reason from it than ever before and yet it was without Example That any Member of the House was put out of the House for any such Cause but to prevent that they had prepared a Law That no Outlawed Person for the time to come should be of the Parliament nor any Person in Execution should have the Priviledge of Parliament But they said further That Sir Francis Goodwyn was not Outlawed at the Day of his Election for he was not Quinto Exactus the five Prolamations never had been made which Proclamation they in London always spare except the Party or any for him require it and that Exigent was never Returned nor any Writ of Certiorari directed to the Coroners to certifie it but after his Election which was a thing unusual the Money being paid the Sheriffs being long since dead to Disenable the said Goodwyn to serve in Parliament that the Exigent was returned and the Names of the deceased Sheriffs put thereto Et ex hoc fuit without doubt that Goodwyn could not have a Scire Facias for there was no Outlawry against him and by Consequence the Pardons had discharged him And They farther shewed to the King That if the Chancellour only could examine Returns then upon every Surmise whether it were True or False the Chancellour might send a Second Writ and cause a New Election to be made And thus the Free Election of the County should be Abrogated which would be too Dangerous to the Commonwealth For by such means the King and his Council might make Any Man whom they would to be of the Parliament House against the great Charter and the Liberties of England FINIS BOOKS Printed for and sold by Timothy Goodwin at the Maiden-head against St. Dunstan 's Church in Fleetstreet 1. AN Enquiry into the Power of Dispensing with Penal Statutes together with some Animadversions upon a Book writ by the late Lord Ch. Justice Herbert Entituled A short Account of the Authorities in Law upon which Judgment was given in Sir Edw. Hales Case 2. The Power Jurisdiction and Priviledge of Parliament and the Antiquity of the House of Commons asserted occasioned by an Information in the Kings Bench by the Attorney-General against the then Speaker of the House of Commons As also A Discourse concerning the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction in the Realm of England occasioned by the late High Commission in Ecclesiastical Causes in King James II. 3. A Defence of the late Lord Russel's Innocency Together with an Argument in the great Case concerning Elections of Members to Parliament between Sir Sam. Bernardiston Bar. Plaintiff and Sir Wil. Soames Sheriff of Suffolk Defendant in the Court of Kings Bench in an Action upon the Case and afterwards by Error sued in the Exchequer Chamber 4. The Lord Russel's Innocency further defended by way of Reply to an Answer Intituled The Magistracy and Government of England Vindicated These four writ by the Rt. Hon. Sir R. Atkyns Knight of the Bath and Lord Chief Baron of their Majesties Court of Exchequer 5. A New Declaration of the Confederate Princes and States against Lewis XIV King of France and Navar Deliver'd in a late Audience at Versailles July 5. 1689. 6. Politica Sacra Civilis or a Model of Civil and Ecclesiastical Government wherein besides the Positive Doctrine concerning the State and Church in General are debated the Principal Controversies of the Times concerning the Constitution of the State and Church of England By George Lawson Rector of More in Salop. 7. The Parsons Councellor with the Law of Tythes and Tything In two Books The fourth Edition with the Addition of a Table Written by Sir Simon Degge 8. The Gentleman's Jockey and Approved Farrier instructing in the Natures Causes and Cures of all Diseases incident to Horses The Eighth Edition Enlarged 9. Popery or the Principles and Positions approved by the Church of Rome dangerous to all And to Protestant Kings and Supreme Powers more especially pernicious By Thomas Lord Bishop of Lincoln 10. A Modest Vindication of the Protestants of Ireland in Answer to the Character of the Protestants of Ireland 11. Sir St. John Broderick's Vindication of himself from the Aspersions cast on him in a Pamphlet written by Sir Richard Buckley Entituled Proposals for sending back the Nobility and Gentry of Ireland 12. Animadversions on Sir R.B. Proposals for sending back the Nobility and Gentry of Ireland 13. The Justice of Parliament in Inflicting Penalties subsequent to Offences vindicated and the lawfulness of the present Government asserted
Merchants the Commons pray'd a general Inquiry might be made of the Residue whereof they complained Ibid. which the Lords granted When the Lord Nevil answered Id. 163. the Commons required that one Richard Love might be examined to prove that which the said Lord deny'd and so departed but two of the Commons remained and heard the Examinations and told the Lords That the said Richard had related otherwise to the Commons the day before which the said Richard deny'd Then all the Commons came and justify'd it again and thereupon the said Richard Love confessed it and on their Demands was committed In the 10 Rich. 2. Ibid. when the Commons had Impeached the Lord Chancellor they were present at his Answer and so often reply'd and enforced his Oath against him and required him to be committed and so he was before Judgment If the Commons do only complain Ibid. and do neither impeach the Party in Writing nor by Word of Mouth in open House nor demand Trial to be in their Presence in these Cases it is in the Election of the Lords Whether the Commons shall be present or not Issuing of Quo Warranto's out of the Court of King's Bench Nalson 588. Court of Exchequer or any Court against Boroughs that anciently or recently sent Burgesses to Parliament to shew cause why they sent Burgesses of Parliament and all the Proceedings thereupon are Coram non Judice illegal and void And the Right of sending Burgesses to the Parliament is questionable in Parliament only and the Occasioners Procurers and Judges in such Quo Warranto's and Proceedings are punishable as in Parliament shall be thought consonant to Law and Justice Where the Articles against the Delinquents are ex Parte Domini Regis Selden 's Judicature 118. there the Commons cannot reply nor demand Judgment for the Suit is the King 's and not theirs In Trewinnard's Case Id. 39. Dyer 60 61. The Priviledge of the Commons is termed the Priviledge of Parliament and the Judgment given in that Case by the House of Commons is there said to be The Judgment of the most High Court of Parliament Sir Robert Atkyns's Argument 35. which proves they are not without a Judicial Power The King cannot take notice of what is done in the Commons House Id. 53. or deliver'd to them but by the House it self and that is one of the Laws and Customs of Parliament In 31. Hen. 6. Id. 55. when the Commons requested the King and Lords to restore their Speaker to them c. The Judges being demanded of their Counsel therein after mature deliberation they answer'd It was not their part to judge of the Parliament which may judge of the Law The Reason Ibid. to judge of the Law signifies that they can judge whether a Law be good or not in order to approve it and to enact it or to repeal a Law In 1621. Ibid. the House of Commons made a Protestation against all Impeachments other than in the House for any thing there said or done It was said by Mr. Justice Crook Id. 58. Rush Coll. Vol. 1. f. 663. That regularly a Parliament-man cannot be compelled out of Parliament to answer Things done in Parliament in a Parliamentary Course If it be done in a Parliamentary Course what Occasion can there be to answer for it But who shall judge what is a Parliamentary Course but a Parliament not Judges of the Common Law for the Parliamentary Course differs from the Rules of the Common Law 27 Eliz. 1584. Sir Simon d'Ewes Jour 347. Col. 2. Ordered That the Serjeant of this House do forthwith go to the Common Pleas Bar and charge the Recorder then pleading there to make his present Repair unto this House for his Attendance Eodem Anno Id. 367. Col. 1. John Bland a Currier for making dishonourable Reflections on the House of Commons brought to the Bar and pardoned upon his Submission paying twenty shillings Fee to the Serjeant and taking the Oath of Supremacy Eodem An. Id. 368. Col. 1. A Warrant for a Writ of Priviledge awarded for setting at Liberty John Pepler Servant to Sir Philip Sidney a Member of this House now Prisoner for Debt in the Compter in London 28 29 Eliz. 1586. Id. 397. Col. 1. Resolved by the whole Body of the House That the discussing and adjudging of Differences about Elections only belonged to the said House That tho' the Lord Chancellor and Judges were competent Judges in their proper Courts yet they were not in Parliament 31 Eliz. 1588. Id 451. Col. 1. Thomas Drury committed to the Serjeant's Custody brought to the Bar and discharged paying his Fees for speaking dishonourably of the Proceedings of the House 23 Eliz. 1580. Id. 283. Col. 1. A Member of the House stood Indicted of Felony Adjudged That he ought to remain of the House till he were Convicted for it may be any man's case who is guiltless to be Accused and thereupon Indicted of Felony or a like Crime 18 Eliz. 1575. Petyt 's Miscel Parl. 16 18 Edward Smalley was upon the Question adjudged by the House to be Guilty of Contempt and abusing the House by fraudulent Practise of procuring himself to be Arrested upon Execution of his own Assent and Intention to be discharged as well of his Imprisonment as of the said Execution And Matthew Kirtleton adjudged Guilty of Confederacy with the said Smalley Whereupon they were both ordered to be committed to the Tower And the said Smalley to remain there for a Month and after till he gave sufficient Assurance for payment of a hundred pounds to the Creditor and forty shillings for the Serjeant's Fees 4 Ed. 6. Criketoft Id. 96. for the confederating in the Escape of one Floud committed to the Tower and afterwards discharged paying his Fees 1 Jac. 1. Bryan Tash Id. 98. a Yeoman of his Majesties Guard for keeping the Door of the Lobby of the Vpper House against several Members of the House of Commons brought to the Bar of the House and upon his Submission and Confession of his Fault dismissed paying the ordinary Fees to the Clerk and Serjeant 20 Jac. 1. Dr. Harris Id. 104. for misbehaving himself in preaching and otherwise with respect to Election of Members of Parliament call'd to the Bar as a Delinquent and admonish'd to confess his Fault there and in the Country and in the Pulpit of his Parish Church 3 Car. 1. Mr. Burgess a Minister Id. 104 105. for abusing his Function in the Duty of Catechising c. sent for by a Messenger committed to the Tower and upon humble Submission deliver'd In the same Parliament Id. 105 106. Sir William Wray Mr. Langton Mr. John Trelawny and Mr. Edward Trelawny Deputy Lieutenants for Cornwal for assuming to themselves a Power to make Knights of the Shire defaming such as stood to be chosen sending for the Train'd Bands menacing the Country c.
That they may have Power to Correct any of their own Members that are Offenders And some make a Fifth Id. 62. That the Members their Servants Chattels and Goods necessary may be free from all Arrests Tho' the Speaker does upon his being approv'd of by the King make it his humble Petition to have Liberty of Speech allow'd the Commons Sir R. Atkin's Argument c. 33. from whence Dr. Heylin and Sir Robert Filmer and others infer That the Commons enjoy that Liberty by the King's Grace and Favour yet they are clearly answered by the words that accompany that humble Petition he prays That they may be allowed that Freedom as of Right and Custom they have used and all their ancient and just Priviledges and Liberties So that this from the Speaker is a Petition of Right The Speaker having ended his Oration Elsyng 165 the Lord Chancellor confers again with the King and makes Answer thereunto in his Majesties Name granting his Requests c. That humble and modest way of the Peoples addressing to their Soveraign Sir R. Atkyns Argument 33. either for the making Laws which has been very ancient or for granting Priviledges by the Speaker of the Commons shews great Reverence and becomes the Majesty of the Prince so to be addressed to but let it not be made an Argument that either the Laws thereupon made or the Priviledges so allow'd are precarious and meerly of Favour and may be refused them The Oration being answered by the Lord Chancellor Co. 12.115 4 Inst 10. and his Petitions allow'd the Speaker and the Commons shall depart to the House of Commons where the Speaker in the Chair shall request the Commons That inasmuch as they have chosen him for their Mouth they would assist him and favourably accept his Proceedings which do proceed out of an unfeigned and sincere Heart to do them service Scobel 5. Vide Sir S. d'Ewes Jour 43 44. The first Business in the House is ordinarily to read a Bill that was not pass't in the last Parliament preceeding or some new Bill as in that of 10 Jac. 1. But on that Day before that was done there was a Motion made for Priviledge of Sir Thomas Shirley who was chosen a Member to serve in that Parliament but detained by an Arrest Upon which a Habeas Corpus was awarded and the Serjeant that Arrested him and his Yeoman sent for and a Committee for Elections and Priviledges chosen CHAP. XIII Business of the Speaker THE Mace is not carried before the Speaker Elsyng 153. until his Return being presented to the King and allow'd of Modus tenend Part. 36. Smith's Common-wealth 84. The Speaker sits in a Chair placed somewhat high to be seen and heard the better of all the Clerks of the House sit before him in a lower Seat who read Bills c. The Speaker's Office is Modus tenend Parl. 37. Smyth's Common-wealth 86. when a Bill is read as briefly as he may to declare the Effects thereof to the House That Day that the Speaker being approved by the King Haktwel 138 139. Sir Simon d'Ewes Jour 43 44. cometh down into the Commons House to take his Place the Custom is to read for that time only one Bill left unpast the last Sessions and no more to give him Seisin as it were of his Place 1 Jac. 1. Scobel 19. Sir Edward Philips was chosen Speaker and the same Day before he was presented to the King he signed a Warrant as Speaker by Command of the House for Election of another Person in the Place of Sir Francis Bacon being chosen in two Places A general Order hath usually been made in the Beginning of the Session Id. 20. to authorize the Speaker to give Warrants for new Writs in Case of Death of any Member or of double Returns where the Party makes his Choice openly in the House during that Session Where such general Order is not made Ibid. Writs have issued by Warrant of the Speaker by Vertue of Special Order upon Motion in the House Oftentimes on the first Day of the Meeting of the House Scobel 18. as soon as the Speaker hath been approv'd and sometime before such Persons as have been doubly return'd have made their Choice 43 Eliz. Mr. Johnson said Towns 191 192. The Speaker may ex Officio send a Warrant to the Clerk of the Crown who is to certifie the Lord Keeper and so make a new Warrant The Speaker said Ibid. Sir Simon d'Ewes Jour 627. Col. 2. That I may inform you of the Order of the House the Warrant must go from the Speaker to the Clerk of the Crown who is to inform the Lord Keeper and then to make a new Writ This Proposition I hold Ibid. Vide Sir S. d'Ewes Journ 627. Col. 2. That our Speaker is to be commanded by none neither to attend any but the Queen per Sir Edward Hobby The Warrant is to be directed to the Clerk of the Crown in Chancery Socbel 20. Vid. Towns Coll. 216 217. Vide Sir S. d'Ewes Jour passim Scobel 65. Petyt's Miscell Parl. 140. by Order of Parliament 13 Novemb. 1601. May 1604. Resolved That no Speaker from henceforth shall deliver a Bill of which the House is possessed to any whosoever without leave and allowance of the House but a Copy only It is no Possession of a Bill except the same be delivered to the Clerk to be read or that the Speaker read the Title of it in the Chair 5 Car. 11. 1628. Rush Coll. 660. The Speaker being moved to put the Question then proposed by the House he refused to do it and said That he was otherwise Commanded from the King 2 Martij The Speaker was urged to put the Question who said I have a Command from the King to adjourn till the Tenth of March and to put no Question and endeavouring to go out of the Chair was notwithstanding held by some Members the House foreseeing a Dissolution till a Protestation was publish'd When the Queen made an Answer to the Speaker's Speech he Towns Coll. 263. Vide Sir S. d'Ewes Journ 659. Col. 1 2. with the whole House fell upon their Knees and so continued till she bid them stand up 35 Eliz. Mr. Speaker was sent for to the Court Towns Coll. 61. where the Queens Majesty her self gave him Commandment what to deliver to the House The Speaker commanded upon his Allegiance not to read any Bills touching Matters of State or Reformation in Causes Ecclesiastical Id. 63. 16 Car. 1. 1640. Apr. 16. Rush Coll. 1127. The Speaker received Command from the King That his Majesties Speech shou'd be Entred in the Journal of the Commons House of Parliament whereupon the House passed a declarative Vote That they did not expect that this shou'd be performed by other Speakers but upon the like special Command or by the Order of the House Eodem Id. 1137.
the Rights and Priviledges of Parliament sit there any longer without a full Vindication of so high a Breach of Priviledge and a sufficient Guard wherein they might confide The Lords cannot proceed against a Commoner Selden 's Jud. p. 84. but upon a Complaint of the Commons APPENDIX The Report of a Case happening in Parliament in the first year of K. James the First which was the Case of Sir Francis Goodwyn and Sir John Fortescue for the Knights Place in Parliament for the County of Bucks Translated out of the French IN this Case after that Sir Francis Goodwyn was elected Knight with one Sir William Fleetwood for the said County which Election was freely made for him in the County and Sir John Fortescue refused notwithstanding that the Gentlemen of the best Rank put him up The said Sir John Fortescue complained to the King and Council Table he being one of them to wit one of the Privy Council that he had been injuriously dealt with in that Election which does not appear to be true But to exclude Sir Francis Goodwyn from being one of the Parliament it was objected against him that he was Outlawed in Debt which was true scilicet He was Outlawed for 60 l. 31th of Queen Elizabeth at the Suit of one Johnson which Debt was paid and also the 39th of Eliz. at the Suit of one Hacker for 16 l. which Debt was also paid and that notwithstanding the King by the Advice of his Councel at Law and by the Advice of his Judges took Cognisance of these Outlawries and directed another Writ to the Sheriff of the said County to elect another Knight in the place of the said Sir Francis Goodwyn which Writ bore Date before the Return of the former And this Writ recites That because the said Sir Francis was Outlawed prout Domino Regi constabat de Recordo and for other good Considerations which were well cognisant to the King and because he was Inidonious for the Business of the Parliament therefore the King commanded him to elect one other Knight in his room which Writ was executed accordingly and Sir John Fortescue elected And at the day to wit the first day of the Parliament both Writs were return'd the first with the Indenture sealed between the Sheriff and the Freeholders of Bucks in which Sir Francis Goodwyn and Sir William Fleetwood were elected Knights for the Parliament and also the Sheriff returned upon the Dorse of the Writ that the said Sir Francis was Outlawed in two several Outlawries and therefore was not a meet Person to be a Member of the Parliament House The second Writ was returned with an Indenture only in which it was recited That Sir John Fortescue by reason of the second Writ was elected Knight Both these Returns were brought the third sitting of the Parliament to the Parliament House by Sir George Copping being Clerk of the Crown And after that the Writs and Returns of them were read it was debated in Parliament Whether Sir Francis Goodwyn should be received as Knight for the Parliament or Sir John Fortescue And the Court of Parliament after a long Debate thereupon gave Judgment That Sir Francis Goodwyn should be received and their Reasons were these First Because they took the Law to be that an Outlawry in Personal Actions was no Cause to Disable any Person from being a Member of Parliament and it was said That this was Ruled in Parliament 35th of Queen Elizabeth in the Parliament House in a Case for one Fitz-Herbert Another President was 39 H. 6. Secondly The Pardons of the 39th of Queen Eliz. and 43 Eliz. had pardoned those Outlawries and therefore as they said he was a Man able against all the World but against the Party Creditor and against him he was not But in this Case the Parties were paid Also Thirdly It was said that Sir Francis Goodwyn was not Outlawed because no Proclamation was issued forth to the County of Bucks where he was Commorant and Resiant And therefore the Outlawry being in the Hustings in London and Sir Francis Goodwyn being Commoran in Bucks the Outlawry no Proclamation issuing to the County of Buks was void by the Statute of the 31th of the Queen which in such Cases makes the Outlawries void Fourthly It was said that the Outlawries were 1. Against Francis Goodwyn Esq 2. Against Francis Goodwyn Gent. and 3. The Return was of Francis Goodwyn Kt. Et quomodo constat that those Outlawries were against the said Sir Francis Goodwyn for these Reasons also they Resolved that the Outlawries were not any matter against Sir Francis Goodwyn to disenable him to be a Knight for the County of Bucks Fifthly It was said That by the Statute of 7 H. 4. which prescribes the manner of the Election of Knights and Burgesses it is Enacted That the Election shall be by Indenture between the Sheriff and the Freeholders c. that the Indenture shall be the Return of the Sheriff It was also said That the Presidents do warrant this Judgment videlicet 1. One President of the 39 H. 6. where Person Outlawed was adjudged a sufficient Member of Parliament Another 1 Eliz. and ot that time one Gargrave who was a man learned in the Law was Speaker and of the Queens Council 2. Another was the Case of one Fludd in the 23th of the Queen who being Outlaived was ●●●udged that he should be Priviledged by Parliament and at that time the Lord Chief Justice Popham was Speaer And 3. In the 35th of Elizabeth there were three Presidents scil one of Fitzherbert another of one Killegrew being Outlawed in 52 Outlawries and the third of Sir Walter Harecourt being outlawed in eighteen Outlawries But after this Sentence and Judgment of the Parliament the King's Highness was displeased with it because the second Writ emanavit by his Assent and by the Advice of his Council And therefore it was moved to the Judges in the Vpper House Whether a Person Outlawed could be a Member of Parliament who gave their Opinions that he could not And they all except Williams agreed that the Pardon without a Scire facias did not help him but that he was Outlawed to that purpose as if no Pardon had been granted And upon this the Lords sent to the Lower House Desiring a Conference with them concerning this Matter which Conference the Lower House after some deliberation denied for these Reasons 1. Because they had given their Judgment before and therefore they could not have Conference de re Judicata as in like manner they did 27 Queen Eliz. upon a Bill which came from the Lords and was rejected by Sentence upon the first Reading Sir Walter Mildmay being then of the Privy Council and of the House 2. Because they ought not to give any Accompt of their Actions to any other Person but to the King himself This Answer the Lords did ill resent and therefore refused Conference in other Matters concerning Wards and Respite of Homages and