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A19857 A suruey of certaine dialogical discourses: vvritten by Iohn Deacon, and Iohn Walker, concerning the doctrine of the possession and dispossession of diuels VVherein is manifested the palpable ignorance and dangerous errors of the discoursers, and what according to proportion of God his truth, every christian is to hold in these poyntes. Published by Iohn Darrell minister of the gospell. Darrel, John, b. ca. 1562. 1602 (1602) STC 6285; ESTC S109295 85,966 179

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to the parties faith vpon whome they were done Be of good cheere daughter saith he thy faith hath saued thee Math. 9.22 And that we may know this faith receauing his great workes was in some a iustifying faith to some he saide before he did the worke Thy sinns are forgiuen thee Now what doe you obiect against this doctrine Math. 9 2● Whereas the words of our Sauiour All things are possible to him that beleeueth make for confirmation thereof you reply Marke 9.23 pag 294. This faith was not the Exorcist faith but of the parties possess●d I answer we know no such difference as it some one or two were Exorcists amongst vs all the rest of the people of other condicion but the whole congregation is of one office and one faith in this businesse we be all ioint Exorcists as I may so say and by way of obteyning throwers out of Sathan Againe you obiect That if iustifyi●g faith hath this power pag. 295 then it b●longeth indifferently to all the elect of God which I yealde you But then say you They which cannot effect this worke may doubt of their iustification I answer this obiection sauors of very gross ignorance You should be able to teach others that the Lord hath not tyed himselfe to one vniforme order in bestowing of corporall blessings as if all his children should obteine all at all times He hath not definitiuely set downe in his worde what and when he wil giue vs in this kinde but hath onely promised them vpon this condicion So far as the good of his children and his owne glorye shall require Therefore though he graunt these outward things to some and deny them being requested to other some this difference is no cause we should stagger in our iustification Beesides say you If Iustifying faith were of this force it would haue bene mentiōed in such places where the effects of saith are purposely registred Proue that al the effects of iustifying faith are there mentioned particulerly by name else you trifle Albeit S. Iames saith If we resist the diuell ●e shall fly noting generally our victory against him Iames 4 7 pag. 296 c. Ma● 16 17 18 not onely in his assaults but also in his possessions Expelling of diuels mentioned in S. Marke belonged to a miraculous faith which was peculiarly giuen to some of the Christians of that age Doctrine pag. ●3 Detection in the epistle such as were hearers of the Apostles and beleeuers by their preachinge as heeretofore I haue shewed more then once And therefore you might haue saued that labour in vsing so many wordes citing so many testimonies to proue the Sunne shines in a cleare heauen at mid-day A Suruey of the Tenth Dialogue The tenth Dialogue treateth of Miracles and laboreth to ouerthrow dispossession of diuels in these times because such dispossession is a miracle miracles be expired long since In prosecuting of which argument it is strange to see how the Discoursers beate themselues with their owne rod. They would prooue vnto vs that miracles are ceased yet afford vs no small miracle in their owne persons For is it not wonderfull that men thinking themselues to haue some sharpnesse of wit to be furnished with sufficient copy of wordes to haue perused many bookes and to haue gathered great variety of learning after some long time spent in deliberation and conferēce and then aduisedly committing to writing what they had cōceaued Should notwithstanding all this like men skarred out of their wits and vtterly bereft of all power of discerning take shadowes for bodies bushes for men chalke for cheese and grope in the sun light as in the darknesse They haue shewed incredible blindenes in their former discourses but in this booke of Miracles it is Miraculous to behould the palpable errours they runne into It may be they did of purpose herein obserue a decorum that the strange handling of the matter might be sutable to the title But that I doe not seeme to charge them wrongfully I will betake my selfe to the Suruey first for more plainesse setting downe the truth in this poynt and after rifle vp their pedlers pack of deuices A true miracle therefore breifly may be defined thus That it is an hard and vn-vsuall worke surpassing all faculty of created nature done by the devine power to that ende it may moue the behoulders with admiration and confirme their faith in the word of God These true Miracles be of two sortes for eyther they be wrought by the Lorde himselfe without any apparant meanes to vs or else are effected by the ministery of man Of the former kinde was the bush that burned Exod 3.2 Exod 13 21. 2 Kings 19.35 and consumed not in the sight of Moses the pyllar of a cloude by day and the pyllar of fire by night conducting the children of Israel out of Aegipt the slaughter in Senacheribs host of an hundred fourscore and fiue thousand in one night the star that directed the wise men out of the East Math. 2 2 to the place of our Sauiours birth such like Concerning miracles of this nature if one shall demaund whether they be ceased or no it is to be answered they are not For the Lorde hath reserued this liberty to himselfe by extraordinary power to reueale his iudgments to the world when and where it shall seeme best vnto him And therefore our Sauiour speakinge of his comming saith There shall be signes in the sunne in the Moone Luke 21 25 26. and in the stars the power of heauen shall be shaken Shall we think these are no miracles or that they be past and not to come Experience also confirmes the same It were infi●nite to gather what hath hapned in all ages since the publishing of the Gospell I wil remember onely one or two for example in our owne times Was it not the admiration of all Christendome to behould that bright and cleare new star which appeared in the yeare 1572 continuing almost six monethes But to come to our owne home was it not a greate miracle that at a place called Kynnastone neere Marcleech hil in the county of Heref rd certaine rookes with a peece of ground of twenty sixe acres remoued and went forward the space of foure daies remouing forty paces in twelue houres carrying great trees sheep coates some with threescore sheepe in them ouerthrowing Kennastone chappel altering two high waies nigh an hundred yardes and where tillage ground was leauing pasture and where pasture there tillage yet all this was seene amongst vs the 17. of Feb. in the yere 1571. Therefore to speake in confused tearmes that miracles are ceased without distinction of their nature is the parte of ignorante men and of such as neither would finde out the truth nor teach it but only deceaue thēselues other with general words That second sort of miracles which is done by the ministery of men are all