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A13763 Newes from the north. Otherwise called The conference betvveen Simon Certain, and Pierce Plowman, faithfully collected and gathered by T.F. student T. F., student. 1579 (1579) STC 24062; ESTC S118412 60,813 88

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good and euill and of the liues and manners of men for what is there in all this earth so much desired as houses landes Lordships and possessions and to commaund ouer people What els is the end of all so many and so great trauels watch studie so many and so great hazards by Sea land so many shifts sleights deceite and oppressions of all which this world hath béene is euer wil be full against all which who so will holde a thing of so great value he must be well prouided and of great defence and hath néed to haue in him self the strength wisdome councell and iudgement of many and so much the rather by how much his possession is the greater that for two causes First for that in his errour of life fall and misgouernment lyeth the fall ruin and decay of a number what of his owne blood what of his tenaunts faith full fréends and seruants Secondly for that his estate is subiect vnto many enemyes of whom the greatest moste dangerous is the flatterer the olde enemye of all man kinde as the story of our father Adam and mother Eue and the Serpent dooth well declare This mooued Iuno as Ouid fableth to commit Io her Cow vnto Argus to kéep which Argus had an hundred eyes in his head and therfore much a dooe had Mercury to deceiue him with all his swéet songs Musick for when he had brought one of his eyes a sléep yea diuers of them yet waked diuers others and stood vpon their ward and whether his face or his back were toward Io yet he all way behéeld her A reason vvhy Copyholdes Customes and Corporations vvere first ordayned and hovv that Pride Flatterye are the cheefe causes that many a young Gentleman commeth to sell his Lands Chap. 18. ANd surely in mine oppinion this mooued the wise and honorable fathers and Magistrates of olde time to incorporat so great liuings and possessions and also to erect and establish in Lordships so many coppy holdes and custummary tenures as the moste souereign remedy against pride and surcuydrie which commonly accompanieth the priuate singuler sole proprietie in lād possession office or any other thing whatsoeuer also a way and meane to furnish the common welth with many bothe able to deserue wel and to doo good also glad and willing therto vnto the which pride is either the only lot and impediment or els of all other the greatest as he vpon whō flatterie attendeth yea and in such sorte that he leadeth him by the nose vp and down the house making him to beléeue of him self any thing causing him also to delight no while in any one thing whether it be apparail or the fashion therof place person dyet fréend seruaunt Tenaunt or other thing whatsoeuer and this as dayly experience teacheth is the high and ready way to the Vsurers house and from thence to the Extorcioner who dwelleth hard by of which twain by that time he hath takē foorth his lesson kindely I dare be his suretie he will not be hasty to doo good to any good body neither if he would shall he haue wherwith all for either shall he haue no lands lest him at all or if he haue any he shall be glad to let thē déerer then the any honest man shall doo good thereon so that in conclusion bothe the Landlord and the Tenaunt shal be miserable The cause héerof is Pride moste and chéefly as I haue said and often times youth good nature or peraduenture excesse of Pleasure and Sensuall delights where through young Gentlemen are often snared through euill company béeing ouertaken sometime by giuing their woord sometime through bribe of a little present mony sometime by one deceit sometime by an other wherin men are soone pampred uamely such as are of small experience and iudgement and knowe not the false lures of the wicked and vngodly against all which these Corporations and customes are of great force and a great defence for in bothe these cases hardly can they be assaulted much lesse inuaded by any of the enemies aforesaid First for that a corporation is neuer vnder age as for example Maior and Comminaltie Deane and Chapter Wardens and Fellowes and such like whose succession is by election their proprietie is ioint and in common neither can one dooe any thing without the rest and therfore to flatter any one of them vaine and to flatter them all very hard namely mens Natures Wit Iudgements and Affections béeing diuers and euery man willing to maintaine and prefer his owne oppinion or his fréends Pride atteinteth them not for who is proud or at the least so proud of any thing wherein a number hath to commaund as much as he and without whō he can doo nothing then béeing armed against Pride the Father of necessitie and néed they are better fréely to afforde their good woord or déed and therfore in vayne were it to bribe them But admit that any of them would be bribed it were also in vain and would procure the euel wil of all the rest without bribing them all which were heauie and harde to doo So that in any competition made vnto such persons against any olde Fréend Tenaunt Officer or seruaunt it is verie harde to preuaile except it be through his owne great misbehauiour And where it is betwéen méere Sraungers one of them against an other there the best and moste woorthie is sure to spéed for certainly and infallibly there is nothing in all this world so amiable so belooued and fauoured as honestie vertue and godlynes are Where priuate flatterie or briberie stand not in their light as in the case of priuate Owners and proprietaries I haue alleadged that it both may and often dooth And thus much of the Corporatiōs of their effects Now to speake of the customes of Manours the very sāe or like in effect may be said for the Inheritour of customary Land although hée be seased therof to him and to his heires yet can hée not sel it without licence of the Lord and that solemnly graunted by his Steward in open Court and there entred nay hée cannot set or let the same or otherwise impaire the wood or other commodities therof without the licence aforelaid So great an entresse and commaundement hath the Lord therin and yet not to the hinderaunce or preiudice of the Inheritaunce but econtra namely that the selling setting or other gouernment of such a royall possessiō as land is should stand in the Iudgemēt discretiō of diuers those of the ripest best aduised and not to be solde wasted or spoiled through the intemperaunce of one foolish or vngodly man or woman either for néed or necessitie or other wise for flatery or other fōd or foolish affection what soeuer wherin the Lord and his lerned Stuard and the homagers of the Court are Iudges In all which cases it may euidently appéer how great a care those honourable and reuerend Forefathers
our Hoast for there is no courage in him neither hath he the way to help him self to keep you in dooīg in y he giueth such coūcel to peace quietnes vnto such fellowes as you the would gladly cut hi out woork if him self were not his owne hinderāce Nay surely Neighbour ꝙ Pierce what councel soeuer he had giuen me therin or what councel he or any other of them all shall héerafter giue me in such matters I am taught alredy though to my cost while I liue to looue peare ensue it to looue mine owne house my honest labour trauel and chéefly abooue all other things to serue God wherin I finde the only stay and comfort of mans life to rest that when all is sought and tried there is none other rule ne leuel wel and surely to guyde order our affaires dooings The application of Pierces tale by the Hoste that the great charges of the Lavv is profitable to the common vvelth and a repressing of vice and sinne Chap. 13. AHa very wel said then quoth our Hoste I am glad that yet at the last ye are come to y point whereunto I haue all this while laboured to bring you which is to cōfesse that these great and excessiue charges and expences haue reformed and changed you from an vngodly troublesome man to a godly wise and prudent man able to giue councell not only priuatly and to your owne fréends and family but also to beare office and authoritie in your Parish yea in y who le Shire where we bothe dwel so that I hope from hencefoorth we shall haue great store of you and that of the greatnes of such fées and charges of sutes in Law and of the first Assessors and the now receiuers therof ye are vtterly concluded estopped to speak or think saue in all honor reuerence Doo you think so Neighbour quoth he Yea verily quothe he for you haue confessed all this your reformation amendmēt to haue comen thence look what effect it hath wrought in you ye are of charitie bound to think that it hath wrought woorketh wil woork in a number moe then you the mony that you haue or rather think that haue departed frō is in their hands who are treasurers therof as I haue alleaged towards the good and godly vses intents purposes the may or shall arise héerafter in cōmon benefit to wit seruice of the whole common welth wherin your parte is as far foorth as theirs Doo ye call this a mending Neighbour Simon quoth Peirce In very déed quoth he I must néeds confesse that these great and excessiue Charges and large Expences haue rebuked me haue chastised and amended me but to say that I think or iudge it thank woorthy vnto them that haue receiued my money I say the Deuill kisse his arse that so amendeth me or any fréend of mine for verily such amending in my iudgement deserueth asmuch and the very like thanks as did the Wife who gaue her husband two strong poysons meaning to spéed him in déed but the poysons béeing of contrary natures wrought one vppon an other and destroyed either others force wherby the man béeing hardly handled for a season yet béeing driuen into a lax by their extremetie auoyded them bothe and with them much corruption so that where before he was a very corrupt body he was by their clensings the better xx yéeres after Thus she did him good by accident but far from her intent or purpose and vtterly against her will. And surely they that take so excessiuely of me and of others our money by that kinds of punishment amend and refourme vs I holde them woorthy as much thank therfore as was this Wife at her husbands hand for his amendment which was wrought by her meane For I dare safely vndertake that for our affliction and punishment or for the dishonor of God and other vngodlines that dependeth therupon they are as sorowfull as was the parish Clark of a Town that was sore visited with the Plague who said vnto his wife vpon a day Wife quoth he if there come two corpses to day we will haue a shoulder of Mutton and a quart of Sack to supper if there come but one we will haue a shoulder of Mutton and but a pinte of Sack. Content husband quoth she And veryly I think that as hartily as this good man his Wife prayed for their recouery that were visited so hartily pray these for peace quietnes and the honor and seruice of God and the Godly charitable dealing and liuing of their Neighbours and Bretheren Pierce prooueth that the sufferaunce of vvickednes and vngodlines increaseth their gayne vvho are and should be the rebukers and punishers therof and that to be the cause of great iniustice vnrightuousnes Chap. 14. NEighbour Pierce quoth our Hoste I pray you let me further vnderstand what yée doo meane by this History for it should séeme y ye haue alleadged it against me not with standing that it maketh for me by the wunderfull effect which you your self are forced to confesse that it hath wrought vpon you I knowe what I haue confessed Neighbour quoth Pierce and also in what maner I haue confessed it far enough from your purpose or any confirmation therof And where in maintenance of these great fées and reuenues you haue alleaged that they are publique also how many and how good and godly are the'ffects and frutes therof without proofe made of them or of any one of them either by your owne experience or by other necessary demonstration There in proofe of the contrary to wit y they are proper and priuate and therfore excessiue and vnreasonable which is my assertion I haue brought you this proofe of mine owne experience wherby I haue sufficiently shewed that the first causes of all these great gaines and profits are prosecuted as I haue affirmed and not persecuted as you pretend For I haue partely shewed you héere what leaue libertie the cōmon people namely youth hath to followe their owne lust and desire in all want●nnes and dissolution of life For further proofe wherof I call to witnesse the Theaters Courtaines Heauing houses Kissing boothes Bowling alleyes and such places where the time is so shamefully mispent namely the Sabaoth dayes vnto the great dishonor of God and the corruption and vtter destruction of youth All which I say are either the causes or the effects of these great gaynes and reuenues or els bothe causes and effects interchaungeably For I dare vndertake that if either these gaynes and profits were publique as you pretend or els if there were as great gayn and profit to the Magistrates and Officers in the godly liues and honest conuersation of the common people as there is in the cōtrary these harbours of vngodlines misnurture would haue lesse fauour and maintenaunce then they haue and godlines Sobrietie and modestie of liues maners would