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A20202 The plaine mans path-way to heauen Wherein euery man may cleerely see, whether he shall be saued or damned. Set forth dialogue-wise, for the better vnderstanding of the simple: By Arthur Dent, preacher of the vvord of God at South-Shoobery in Essex. Corrected and amended: vvith a table of all the principall matters; and three prayers necessarie to be vsed in priuate families thereunto added.; Plaine mans path-way to heaven Dent, Arthur, d. 1607. 1607 (1607) STC 6629; ESTC S113573 201,787 436

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so indéed Phil. I pray you tell me what that same regeneration and new birth is whereof you speake Theol. It is a renewing and repairing of the corrupted and decayed estate of our soules As it is written Be ye changed by the renewing of your minde And againe Be renewed in the spirit of your minde Phila. Explaine this more fully Theol. Euen as the wild Oliue retaineth his old nature till it be grafted into the swéet Oliue but afterward is partaker of a new nature so we til we be grafted into Christ retain our old nature but afterward are turned into a new nature as it is written If any man be in Christ he is a new creature Phila. I vnderstand not what you say Theol. You must know this that as there is a naturall birth of the whole man so there is also a spirituall birth of the whole man Phila. How is that Theol. When as the naturall faculties of the soule as reason vnderstanding will and affections and the members of the body also are so sanctified purged and rectified by grace that we vnderstand wil and desire that which is good Phila. Can not a man will and desire that which is good before he be borne againe Theol. No more then a dead man can desire the good things of this life For mans will is not frée to consent vnto good till it be enlarged by grace and an vnregenerate man doth sinne necessarilie though not by constraint For mans will is frée from constraint for it sinneth of it selfe but not from thrasdome vnto sin Phila. You speake as if a man could do no other thing but sinne till the new worke be wrought in him Theol. That is mine opinion indéed for a man his flesh are all one til he be regenerate they agrée together like man wife they ioine together in all euill they liue and die together for when the flesh perisheth the man perisheth Phila. Is not this regeneration a changing or rather a destroying of humane nature Theol. Nothing lesse It is neither an abolishing nor changing of the substance of bodie or soule or any of the faculties thereof but only a rectifying and repairing of them by remoouing the corruption Phila. Is then our naturall corruption so purged and quite remoued by the power of grace as that it remaineth not at all in vs but that we are wholly freed of it Theol. Not so For the reliques and remnants of our old nature which the Scripture calleth the old man doe hang about vs and dwell in vs euen vntill our dying day as it is plainly prooued in the ten last verses of the seuenth to the Romanes Phila. Then you affirme that this new man or new worke of grace and regeneration is vnperfect in this life Theol. Yea. For the new creature or new worke of grace can neuer be fullie fashioned in this life but is alwayes in fashioning And as our faith and knowledge in this life are vnperfect so is our regeneration and sanctification Phila. You said before that the regeneration or new birth is of the whole man which speech seemeth to imply that the new worke of grace is entire and perfect Theol. You mistake the matter For although the new birth is vniuersall and of the whole man yet it is not entire perfect pure and without mixture of corruption For it is written The flesh lusteth against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh The Apostle also prayeth that the Thessalonians may be sanctified thorowout in spirit soule and bodie Phila. This seemeth very obscure I pray you make it more plaine Theol. You must note this that the new worke and the old flesh and spirit grace and corruption are so intermingledly ioyned together in all the faculties of the soule and body as that the one doth euer fight against the other Phila. But tell me I pray you how you vnderstand this intermingling of grace and corruption in the soule Do you mean that grace is placed in one part of the soule and corruption in another so as they be sundred in place Theol. No that is not my meaning but this that they be ioyned and mingled together as I said in and thorowout the whole man For the minde or vnderstanding part is not one part flesh and another part spirit but the whole minde is flesh and the whole minde is spirit partly one and partly another The same is to be said of the will and affection Phila. I pray you expresse it more plainly Theol. Euen as the ayre in the dawning of the day is not wholly light or whollie darke as at midnight or at noone day neither is it in one part light in another part darke but the whole aire is partly light and partly darke thorowout and as in a vessell of luke-warme water the water it selfe is not only hot nor only colde but heat and colde are mixed together in euery part of the water so is the flesh and the spirit mingled together in the soule of man And this is the cause why these two contrarie qualities fight together Phila. Out of doubt this doctrine of regeneration is a very great mysterie Theol. Yes certainly it is a secret of secrets which the wise of this world cannot cōprehend Phila. Some thinke that courtesie kindnesse good nurture good nature and good education are regeneration and that courteous and good natured men must needs be saued Theol. They are greatly deceiued for these things doe not necessarily accompanie saluation but are to be found in such as are altogether prophane and irreligious yet wée are to loue such good outward qualities and the men in whom wée finde them Phila. What say you then to learning wit and policie are not these things of the essence of religion and prooue a regeneration Theol. No no for they be externall gifts which may be in the most wicked men as in Papists Heathen Poets and Philosophers yet wée are greatly to reuerence learned and wise men although the new and inward worke be not as yet wrought for that is onely of God that is from aboue Phila. The common people doe attribute much to learning and policy for they will say such a man is learned and wise and knoweth the Scripture as well as any of them all and yet he doth not thus and thus Theol. It is one thing to know the History and Letter of the Scriptures and another thing to beléeue and féele the power thereof in the heart which is onely from the sanctifying spirit which none of the wise of this world can haue Phila. It is a common opinion that if a man hold the truth in iudgement be no Papist or heretike but leadeth an honest ciuill life then he must of necessity be saued Theol. That followeth not for many come so far which yet notwithstanding haue not the inward touch Phila. That seemeth strange For many will say As long as they be neither whore nor theefe nor spotted with such