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A08310 The surueyors dialogue Diuided into fiue bookes: very profitable for all men to peruse, that haue to do with the reuenues of land, or the manurance, vse, or occupation thereof, both lords and tenants: as also and especially for such as indeuor to be seene in the faculty of surueying of mannors, lands, tenements, &c. By I.N. Norden, John, 1548-1625? 1607 (1607) STC 18639; ESTC S113314 151,126 260

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dung is fittest Let vs I pray thee walke into the next field the Lords demeisnes called as I take it Highfield Bay It is indéede a large ground you sée it is and good pasture but so ouergone with Thistles as we can by no meanes destroy them Sur. This kind of Thistle approoueth the goodnes of the ground they seldome or neuer growe in a barraine soile Bay Yes I haue seene thistles in meane ground Sur. It may be so a kind of smal hungry dwarffy thistle but this kind which you see large high and fatty you shall neuer see in aboundance in a weake soile Bail But I wish they were fewer in number though they may be a note of good ground I find thē nothing profitable vnles it be to shrowd the vnder grasse in the parching Summer ●rom the heate of the scorching Sunne for they are good for no other vse that I can find Sur. That is some benefite but the best way to kill them is to take them vp often by the rootes euer as they beginne to spring and either presently to rake them vp and carry them out of the fields or else to beate them in small peeces for their nature is to reuiue againe like an Adder that is not thorowly battered in the head and cut in peeces Such is the nature of this kind of Thistle that though it be plucked vp by the roote if it lie still vpon the ground as soone as it receiueth the euaporation of the earth his sli●●ie nature gathers a kind of new life and beginnes to fasten cleaue it selfe to the earth againe and to shoote foorth small strings which entring into the earth againe will bring foorth many for one Bai. That is if they be cut when they are seeded the seedes fall and increase Sur. Nay if you cut them in their infancie for if they be not cut often that as soone as they shewe themselues a foote high or lesse the roote will recouer and bud againe the roote is as the liuer in the body from whence proceedeth all the bloud that feedeth the veines that quickneth the body which by obstr●ction and stopping of the passages putrifieth So the rootes of these vegitables when the branches are againe againe cut off as they spring the roote is left so ouercharged with moisture that it wil in the end yeeld and giue ouer bearing and die as will also Rushes Flagges and such like which though they be strong by nature yet by this meanes they will be destroyed soonest Baily But what say you to this heathy ground I thinke of all other grounds this is the most vnprofitable Sur. Indeede naturally all heathy grounds are barraine and that comes by the saltnes of the soile Bai. Doth all barrainnesse procéede of saltnes Sur. As leannes in a mans body is principally procured by saltnes of the humor So is barrainesse in grounds for salt is hot and heate drieth and too much drowth breeds barrainesse and leannesse And according to the measure and proportion of the decree of hot and cold moisture and drinesse are all grounds fruitfull and barraine as the bodie by these causes is fat or leane Therefore though heathy grounds be commonly in the highest degree of barrainesse yet are some more in the meane then some Some are more tractable and more easily reduced to some vse then others and therefore hath sundry names Heath is the generall or common name whereof there is one kind called Hather the other Ling. And of these particulars there are also sundry kinds distinguished by their seuerall growth leaues stalkes and flowers as not far from Graues end there is a kind of Hather that beareth a white flowre and is not so common as the rest and the ground is not so exceeding barraine as some other but by manurance would be brought to profitable tillage Some and the most doth beare a purple or reddish flowre as in the Forest of Windsore and in Suffolke and sundry other places and this kind is most common and groweth commonly in the worst ground In the North parts vpon the Mountaines and Fells there is a kind of Ling that beares a berry euery of these hath his peculiar earth wherein it delighteth Some in sandy hot grounds as betweene Wilford bridge and Snape bridge in Suffolke And that is bettered especially and the heath killed best and soonest by good fat marle Some in grauelly and cold earth and that is hard to be cured but with good stable dung But there is a kind of heathie ground that seemeth altogether vnprofitable for tillage because that the grauell clay together retaineth a kind of black water which so drencheth the earth causeth so much cold as no husbandry can relieue it yet if there be chalk-hils nere this kind of earth there may be some good done vpon it for that onely or lime will comfort the earth drie vp the superfluous water and kill the heath But the sandy heathie ground is contrarily amended as I told you with fat marle and that is commonly found neere these heathie grounds if men were prouident and forward to seeke for it Euery of these heathie grounds are best known of what nature they be of whether hot or cold by the growing of it as if it grow low and stubbed it argues the ground to be grauelly cold and most barren where it groweth ranke and high and the stalke great the ground is more warme and more apt for tilth yet it requireth some kind of composte else will it not beare past a crop or two contenting the owner but if men will not indeuor to search for the hidden blessings of God which he hath laid vp in store in the bowels of the earth for their vse that will be painefull they may make a kind of idle vaine ●hew of good husbandry whē indeed they only plow and sow and charge the earth to bring foorth fruite of it owne accord when we know it was cursed for our sakes and commanded to deny vs increase without labour sweate and charge which also are little auaileable if we serue not him in feare and reuerence who is the author of true labors and of the blessings promised thereunto Bai. I thinke there is no disease in the body of man but nature hath giuen vertue to some other creatures as to hearbes plants and other things to be medicines for the same so is there no kind of ground so meane barren and defectiue but God hath prouided some meanes to better it if man to whom he hath giuen all will search for it and vse the same to that end it was prouided for And yet this peece of ground adioyning hath had much labour and great cost bestowed on it and the ground little or nothing the more reformed This fursy close Sur. In deed it is a strong weed called in the North Coūtry Whynns It seldome giues place where it
the scale Quick conceit● soone forget The names of all particulars are to be set downe Conf●●ing Mannors are to be noted How to take a distance They that informe must know what they say Raw reports without knowledge are vnfit to be recorded Houses are called after the names of Tenants To number trees A Surueyor should seeke to know the number of timber trees Difference betweene timber trees and vnderwood The place to be cōsidered To note speciall places of profit A good Water-Mill an ornament to a Mannor Not good for a Lord to al●●n his Custome-Mill Humor and Necessitie two Emperors opposite Cottages on the waste Th● Iury must subscribe their verdict The parts of an acre Peeces of equall sides may make vnequall quantities How to cast ●p a triangle Base perpendicular quid Base and perpendicular questions The base mult●plied by the perpendicular Triangles surest measuring A circular forme Measuring hilles and valleyes Irregular formes must be measured by regular parts Many rules of casting vp contents Benese a Canon Randolph Agas Valentine Lea. M. Digges Countrey land measurers will cast by memory Casting by the parts of money All Schollers haue not best memoryes Admirable memories of some great persons Some would forget and cannot The vse of the former Tables How to finde the quantity when the number of perches exceede any table in the booke How to lay out many acres by the former Table Perches dyuers in diuers Countreys A Cornish Acre The great or small measure all one to the Lords ●ood measure Why woods are measured with the 18 foote pole Great difference betweene the 18. and 16 ½ pole Whence an Acre taketh name An Arpent or French Acre The kings Arpent Maior minor mensura Molland Molland and Fenland contrary A Surueyor must be secret for his Lord. M. Leas booke of Surueying Labour that lawfully gets is a game of delight Al men may learne Ignorance enemy to art Cold ground breedes weedes Bridges ouer draines The Fennes Captaine Louell M. William Englebert The Alder treee enemy to al grounds The Ald●r necessary for many purposes Necessity a cōmander Alder good to make piles Firre tree lien in the ground since the floud Alder hath no seede Meddowes Pratum quasi semper paratū Best meddowes in England Riuers ouerflowing good Nilus in Egypt Ios. 3.15 The Lauent and the Leame Bournes Water smelling like violets Leuis putredo Sence deceiued Boggie grounds helps by ouerflowing Two sorts of meddowes Vpland meddowes haue but the name Hard to distinguish grounds Meddow of different natures Clay ground Helpes intended sometimes hinder Bringing of street water into grounds profitable How water doth good to meddowes Water ●ow it may be hurtfull to grounds Mils of too high a pitch pen the water How to amend weakned meddow Gauly places in meddows Clauer gras To till meddow grounds Meddow ground burned Meddow most beneficiall Land like the bodie To plant Willowes Setting of Willowes Ozier hope Ozier brooketh no shadow All grounds good for some vse Peaze vpon the beach grow naturally Pewets and Oliues c. Hoppes Carret roots Many waste grounds might yeeld profite Hempe Mustard-seed Flaxe Apple trees Syder Perry Kent Men vntaught know little Many follow old husbandrie Oke Ash and Elme Oke much decayeth 35. Hen. 8. Gentlemen sell their woods too fast A Surueyor must counsel frugalitie Affection Simple men do manage mens busines through flatterie All men ought to preserue timber 35. Hen. 8.1 Eliz. The Statute abused Want of Wood and Timber feared Holmes dale Thirty yeres haue consumed much wood and timber Glasse houses Great woods wasted Woods destroyed for cornes sake 140. Iron workes in Sussex Wasting of woods in Sussex good for the common wealth Mens manners of their place of breed Diuine grace shapes new minds Complexion neuer a true argument of good or euill men The benefit that Sussex findeth by decay of woods Fewell of constrain● Middlesex stocking The vse of firing necessarie A commoditie present should not depriue future times of a better Depopulatiō dangerous Fish ponds Fish ponds many in Sussex and Surrie Fishmongers buy pond fish far off Ponds necessary for Mills Ambitious building ridiculous A house with necessaries commendable Horace Ferne. Theophrastus lib. 8. Manuring what is ment by it Ferne destroied by ferne The vse of ferne in diuers places Bushy ground The cause of mosse The earth not manurde what becomes Great Brittaine sometimes a desert Cilchester Verolamium Wild beasts in Brittaine Colidonian beare and bore Former ages had more art and industry then ours The earth not in the beginning as 〈…〉 Lands formerly arable now wood Mosse Oates in clay Barly in sand A mutuall agreement betweene graines and grounds Marle pits Grounds well manured greatest intrest Ill ground made good Sea sand a good soyle in Cornewall Deuōshiring Limestones Pibble and beach good to make lime Difficulties pretended where is no will Moore earth Murgion Mawme Meddowes cut and caried into dry grounds London soile Difference of stable and stall dung Tandeane the Paradice of England A prouident master Good husbandry in the West The manner of husbādry in the VVest Great yeelding of wheate The Sheepefold Sheepes treading good for corne Grounds long in grazing The cause why grounds will not graze in long time Thistles how to kill them Thistle the nature The rootes of vegitable things like the liuer in the body Rushes Flagges Heath Saltnes hot and drie Hather Ling. Heath diuers kinds Heathy ground vnprofitable How to find the natures of the heathie grounds The earth commanded to deny vt fruite without labor All kinds of grounds haue their helpe Furse Whynns Dwarfe furses French F●ures Quick set hedges of Furse Fences of Turffes and Stones Hay boot what it is Hedge boote and hay boot the differēce Dead hedges deuoure How to make a quick-set hedge Time of quick setting How to make a grouet Seuerall trees and the grounds the like Gorse Broome Furse Broome Brakes their nature How to kill Furse Broome and Brakes All hidden benefits must be sought for Ignorance and Idlenes enemies to thrift None should be idle Ps. 107.34 Psal. 72.26 Iob. 9.24.8.21.7 Psal. 37.22 Psal. 1.3