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A16832	A defence of the gouernment established in the Church of Englande for ecclesiasticall matters Contayning an aunswere vnto a treatise called, The learned discourse of eccl. gouernment, otherwise intituled, A briefe and plaine declaration concerning the desires of all the faithfull ministers that haue, and do seeke for the discipline and reformation of the Church of Englande. Comprehending likewise an aunswere to the arguments in a treatise named The iudgement of a most reuerend and learned man from beyond the seas, &c. Aunsvvering also to the argumentes of Caluine, Beza, and Danæus, with other our reuerend learned brethren, besides Cænaiis and Bodinus, both for the regiment of women, and in defence of her Maiestie, and of all other Christian princes supreme gouernment in ecclesiasticall causes ... Aunsvvered by Iohn Bridges Deane of Sarum.	Bridges, John, d. 1618.	1587 (1587)	STC 3734; ESTC S106910	1,530,757	1,400

Bishop hear the cause of none without the presence of his Clearkes otherwise the bishoppes sentence shall bee voyde except it be established by the presence of the Clearkes Heere the Bishop is restrayned that albeit he may doe some thing alone vnto his Clearkes Ministers Seniors and Elders yet that he may not alone and without the presence of their assembly depose any of them from his liuing c. But who are these Clearkes Ministers Seniors and Elders in whose presence he must doe these thinges Doth hee admitte any other then Bishops them-selues or at least the Sacerdotall Preestes the glosse disputing this matter who should be this Counsel or Chapter or sitters by with the Bishops to proue that they must be all Clearkes referreth vs to the sixt cause Quest. 3. Scitote Knowe yee that to be a certayne prouince which hath ten or eleuen Cities and one King and as many inferior potestates vnder him one Metropolitane and other suffraganes 10 or 11. Bishops being Iudges vnto whose Iudgement all the causes of the Bishops and of other preestes and Cities may bee referred That matters may be discerned by all these Iustly and with consonant voice except they that are to be iudgd do appeal to a higher authority It must not bee that euery prouince shoulde be debased or dishonoured but shoulde haue in it selfe Iudges euery of the Preestes and Bishops That is to wit according to their orders Whereby it appeareth that these Ecclesiasticall Senates of such as sat in the Councelles and Iudgementes of Preestes were eyther Bishops or at leaste Sacerdotall preestes onely and not persons of inferior orders but euery one was Iudged according to their estate by them that were at the least of their owne orders and not Teachers by such as were no Teachers Nowe after this fiftéenth cause wherein hee treateth of Clearkes Elders Seniors Ministers and Priests indifferently This next cause to wit the sixteenth Which Danaeus citeth is altogether of Monkes and especially that first Question which he alleageth Whether they may doe that thing in respect simply they be Monkes that secular Clearkes and preests or Elders may doe This first Question is this Vtrum Monachis liceat officia populis celebrare poenitentiam dare baptizare Whether Monkes may celebrate the Diuine seruice to the people enioyne penitence and baptise To the which the answere is this They can-not And anon amongst other reasons he alleageth this out of Hierome also Ad Riparium desiderium Monachus non docentis sed plangentis habet officium A Monke hath not the office of a Teacher but of a mourner And euen immediatly before that which Danaeus citeth are these wordes Alia causa The cause of a Monke is another and another the cause of a Clearke The Clearke feede the Sheepe sayth the Monke I am fedde they liue of the Altar the Axe is put to me as at the roote of an vnfruitfull tree If I bring not my gift vnto the Altar It is not lawfull for me to sitte before an Elder if I shall sinne it is lawfull for him to deliuer me to Sathan for the destruction of the Flesh that the spirite in day of the Lorde might bee safe Idem ad Rusticum The same is in Hieroms Epistle vnto Rusticus And here commeth in that which Danaeus citeth Ecclesia The church hath a Senate the assembly of Elders without whose councell it is lawfull for the Monkes to doe nothing All this now duely considered it is manifest that by this the Churches Senate or assembly of Elders is meant onely a Senate of such Elders as did feede both the people and the Monkes also with the Worde and Sacramentes For so the glosse expoundeth the Monkes wordes Ego pascor I am fedde A sacramentis ipsorum of their Sacraments And that these Elders liued of the Altar and that the very Monks in those days were not exempted from paying tythes or offerings vnto them And that these Elders might excommunicate these Monkes so well as they might other men By all which it appeareth that this Ecclesiasticall Senate was none other but an assembly Colleage or Consistory of Preestes or Pastorall Elders And as for any other Ecclesiasticall Presbyters or Elders in all or any of the Canons either of the Councells Generall or Prouinciall or of the Bishops or of the whole body of the Canon Lawes Decrees or Decretals then such Elders as were Ministers of the Worde and Sacramentes Our Brethren shall finde but sory comfort No nor in any of the Doctors of the Church And therefore it is their best as I take it to leaue all further search that wayes for anie proofe or practise at all of such Ecclesiasticall Gouerning and not teaching Elders in the Church euen from the verie Apostles times And this withall is to be obserued that where our Bret. would now beare the worlde in hande there were such Senates and Segniories of these gouerning and not teaching Elders in the Primitiue in the auncient Church and for proofe heereof dare aduenture to cite all these testimonies and if I coulde finde that they cited any mo I woulde craue pardon to search them likewise which when they are all viewed examined there is not one Father not one Historiographer not one Canon that maketh any whit for any such kinde of Elder as our Brethren pretende to vs is worne out of vse and they nowe endeuour to haue again euiued I knowe that these our reuerend Brethren beeing both godly and learned men doe not cite these authors of any set purpose to deceiue vs in Fathering that on them which they neuer spak nor thought nor knew but as the prouerbe sayth mistaking makes misse-reckoning so they hauing conceiued this with them-selues that such a kinde of Gouerning and not teaching Ecclesiasticall Elders there was in the Apostles times and in the Primitiue Church so often as they reade in the Fathers the name of Presbyters of Elders especially if there bee any mention of Senate College or company of them and that these in any matters ioyned with the Bishop to whome they apply onely the name and office of Pastorall Elder straight-way they conceiued that which they fancied that these Elders were those Ecclesiastical Elders gouerning only and not medling with teaching Which too quick conceiuing vpon their forestalled opinion especially in the heate of zeale to haue thinges amended may fall out nowe and then for lacke of more mature deliberation and examining euen to the best learned and most holy men And that I thinke hath beene the cause of our Brethrens misliking and misseporting the Fathers meaninges in the Eldership Which when their selues shall apperceiue I doubt not for the reuerent opinion I haue of them and of all our Brethren but that they will relent in this behalf at leastwise for these fathers thus cited amisse and eyther let them all goe or séeke further in them or in other for other and better Testimonies

suche Controllers not ●eachers Lucretius What Elders Hierom. alloweth of Danae●s in 1. Tim. 5.19 The superior gouernmēt of one in euery company The orders and gouernments of that Ierome cōme●deth Hier. in epis ad Euagr. Danaeus allegation of the Canon Law for this Senate of Elders Canon Eccl. 16 quest 1. The Canan Lawe Canon Absque Synodali causa 15. quest 7. * Le ui aura These elder● were ministers of the sacrame●ts The B. his Clearks Who these Elders and Clarks were that these Canōs haue relation vnto The difference of the Cleark of the Monke The Monks payde tithes offerings to the elders The Elders might excōmunicate the Monke● The cause of our Bret. these reuerend mēs mistaking the●e allegations of these Elder● Mistaking the fathers Danaeus in 2. parte Christ. Isag. Cap. 7. Caluines allegation of the same in Instit. cap 8. sect 42 The Scripture of the Elders Whō Cal. thin●eth ●o be the gouernors Bom 12 1. Cor. 12. Rom. 12. For gouernors Caluines interpretation not necessary Euery Church had not a Sanate Gouernors This consistory of these elders not necessary Rom. 12. Of the perpetuity and necessity of Deacons Danaeus in Christ. Isag. 2. para ca. 10. The Elders mentioned Act. 20. 1. Pet 5. were Pastorall Elders by our Brethrens owne confession Danaeus cōtradiction to our Br. for the Elders in these places Caluinu● in Instit. ca. 8. sect 4. The Elders Act. 20. P. 5 Caluine cōtrary to Danaeus for the Elders Act. 20. Calv. in Inst. ca. 8. sect 42. Calvine cōfesseth that the place Act. 20. is only of ministers of the word Caluinus in Act. 20. ver 17. The Elders Gouernors Ver. 18. These Elders that were gouernors and and correctors of māners were also teachers Those whō Danaeus calleth gouerning not teaching Elders Caluin calleth Pastors Bishops feeders with the word Elders 1. Pet. 5. Our Breth sestimonie against Danaeus for the Elders 1. Pet. 5. Caluinus in Instit. ca. 13. sect 7. For the Elders 1. Pe. 5. Euē the generall name of ecl Elders for gouernors exemplified by teachers The office of their Eldership consisting in feeding The wordes of Peter spoken to feeders haled to such as are not feeders The seueral parishes of the Elders As Daneus reporteth Sozomenus there was but one Elder in euery parish Eccl. hist. Hermiae Sozomeni li. 1. cap. 2. Sozomenus for these Elders * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Danaeus miscollection of Sozomenus wordes Sozomenus mistaken The lack of through serching the cause of our Br. mistaking Act. 17.11 The Elders that Sozomenus mētioneth wer teaching elders Danaeus testimony for for these elders Act. 21.18 Act. 21.18 The probabilities that the Elders mentioned Act. 21.18 were teachers These Elders were exhorters of Paul They were such as frō whō knowledge shuld begin They were such as wer not of the people but distinct frō them Act. 21. 15. These elders Act. 21. are here plainly called Doctors Danaeus testimonie for those Elders Phil. 4. v. 8. Phil. 4.8 Caluinus in institus cap. 8. sec. 42. Phil. 4.8 2. Tim. 3. Danaeus other allegations for Elders all which also are cleane against him Act. 20. Aug. in hom 50. hom 5. 7. Esa. 58. Difference of the false teacher and true teacher Danaeus testimonie 1. Pet. 3. maketh nothing for Eccl. Elders that are not teachers Danaeus testimonies 1. Cor. 14.34 35. are likewise nothing for Eccl. Elders not teachers Iames. 5.14 for these Elders Danaeu● testimony for the●e Elders out of Ia. 5. and 14. Caluines opinion for these Elders D●naeus cōtrarie to Caluine Iames. 5. Aretius iudgement of what Elders Iames speaketh The Elders that Iames speaketh to be of no one certaine office either Ecclesiasticall or laie persons Caluines owne testimonie that these Elders were Ministers of a tēporarie Sacrament so teachers Our Bre. discoursers confute Danaeus Act. 14.23 Our brethr returne for proofe of these Elde●s to the ●ormer alleg●tion Act. 14.23 The learned Dis. Pag. 85. 86. Act. 14.23 Bridges Moderating these Elders The text mēcioneth not that the Apostles set the Churches in perfect order established discipline The learned Dis. Pag. 86. The popular state Bridges The reducing of al to the popular state S. Paules excommunication 1 Cor. 5. The learned disc pag. 86 1. Cor. 5.4 Bridges S. Paule by his separate authoritie gaue sētēce of excōmunication before the Corinthians knew of his doing No such Cōsistorie among the Corinthians The manifestnesse of th● fact Excōmunication 1. Cor. 5. The order of discipline that our Br. prescribe therto wrest S. Pauls excōmunication The learned disc Pag. 87. Math. 18.17 Bridges Mat. 18. for these Elders Our Breth supposall of Christe● wordes The admonition may be done without a Consistorie likewise ●xco●m Mat. 28. Our Brethr. varying in this place Math. 18. The Consistorie that our Br. call the Church consisting but of one of these Eld●rs The learned disc pag. 87 88. Math. 11.6 Bridges Allusion to the Sanedrin Allusions to the Sanedrim Our Breth proues of these Elders ●ut of this place Math. 18. The head of all this question Christes wordes directly Chrysostom Hierome Hilarie Theophilact Vatablus Aretius Mansterus Caluines prooues on Mat. 18. Caluines applying Christes words to the rewes Sanedrim Caluines prooues on Mat. 28. Caluins reasons for this Segniorie of Elders to be renewed to the Christians frō the olōe Sanedrim by this place Ma. 18 Caluine the principall interpreter of Christs words for a consistory of Elders The examination of these proues of Caluine The inc●stuous person not excom by a Consistorie of the Church Caluines reasons for these Elders on Mat. 18. There was a church whē Christ spake these words Mat. 18. and a Church that had orders when Paule wrote to the Cor. Bucer vsing Caluins reason applies it to no such Cōsistorie No excom without Pastors B. That the Chur. may be without excomm The Ministers office and power in the church Bucer refer● vs to Aug. for excommunication The admission of this allusion inferreth no perpetuall rule of a like Consistory Calu. owne example ouerthrowes this perpetuity What Seniors among the Iewes had the power of excommunication The gouernors of the Church are not so aptly sayde to represent the Church Danaeus 2. part Chri. Isag. li. 2. c. 10. What Presbytery that was Act. 22. Caluin for the Sanedrin The Synedriō or Sanhedrin was not in Esdras time How our Bret. run to the corruptions of Iewish traditiōs to seeke out the grounds of this cōsistory of gouerning Elders Christes wordes import no translation of the Iewes Sanedrin to the Christians Supra Pag. 23● What discipline succeeded in the place of the olde discipline Calu. argument from comparison of the Gentiles The shame and daunger of this newe San●drin Noua glossa Stephani in Math. 18 Bertramus de politia Iudaica The 70. Elders not first ordeined Nū 11. Bertrā of the Iewes Elders Of

thēselues it is in this their humor for this Presbyterie What is héere for so excellent and godly learned men to haue alledged this tyrannical Decree or rather this very doctrine of Diuels in this superstitious Council against the law of God against the lawfulnesse of Bishops Elders and Deacons mariage against the verie Antiquitie of the Church which they pretend ●ind yet what is there in this Decree to inferre that this power and Censure of excommunication apperteineth onelie and alwaies to a Presbyterie ioyned with the Bishops But since Danaeus hath alledged this Coūcill let vs sée how this Coūcill directlie euen in this matter of excommunication maketh cleane against him For in the 8. chap. following it is sayd Alipius the B. of the Church of Tagasta the Legate of the Prouince of Numidia did say Neither must that be praetermitted that if perhaps anie Priest or Elder which is corrected or excommunicated of his B. being puffed vp with swelling or pride shall thinke that Sacrifices are separatelie to be offred vnto God or shall beleeue that anie other altare should be erected contrarie to the eccl faith and discipline let him not go vnpunished Valentinus of the first seate of the Prouince of Numidia said The thinges that our brother Alipius hath prosecuted are necessarilie agreeable to the eccl discipline and faith Declare ye therfore what thereupon seemeth good vnto your louingnesse Whether if anie Priest or Elder shall make a scisme against his B he should be accursed It was said of all the Bishops If anie Priest or Elder shall be excommunicated or corrected of his Prelate he ought to complaine to the Bishops adioyning that his cause may be heard of them and by them he may be reconciled to his B. Here both we sée what these Presbyters Priests or Elders were to wit such as celebrated the L. supper also that vpon iust occasion the B. himselfe might excom euē these Priests or Elders And if we may gather an argument of absoluing or recōciling to the Church which is equiualent to excōmunicating we might haue séene before in the 4. chap. that not onlie a Bishop by himselfe but also anie particular Priest or Elder in some cases might doo it Aurelius the B. that prop●●ded the decrée against Bishops Priests Deacons wiues which Danaeus citeth said If any man shal be in danger shal desire to be reconciled to Gods altars if the B. shal be absent the Priest or Elder ought to take coūsell of the B. so at his cōmandemēt to recōcile the partie that is in danger If the Priest or Elder can absolue the repētant partie at the cōmandement of the B. being absent is it not likelie the B. could doo it himselfe being present And if the B. or anie one Priest could thus absolue coulde neither Priest nor B. by thēselues not haue excōmunicated the said partie being a manifest notorious offēder So that by examining this coūcil further it maketh more against Danaeus in this point thā for him The like Decrée vnto this for a Priests absoluing restoring a penitent in the absence of the B. is also in the 3. Coūcil of Carth. cap. 32. These Coūcils being about the time of Siritius which Siritius was in the time of Ambrose as Danaeus cōfesseth Ambrose himself without any Presbyterie ioyned with him excōmunicating the Emperor Theodosius how is it not apparant that in those daies a B. by himself might excōmunicate his excōmunicatiō holdē for good lawful But Danaeus to cōfirme it better that a B. might not excom by himself addeth the 4. Council of Carth. chap. 22. 23. where it is said that a B. shal not ordeine Clearks without the Council of his Clerkes so that he seeke the assent the sufferance and the testimonie of the Citizens Againe that the Bishop heare the cause of none without the presence of his Clerkes otherwise the Bishoppes sentence shal be frustrate except it bee confirmed by the presence of his Clerkes What is héere that the Bishop may not by himselfe excommunicate The former chap. is onlie of ordeining Clearks yet it doth not take the power of ordeining from them but it manifestlie giueth the power thereof vnto him Though in ordeining a Priest the Council say that all the Priests present should lay their hands also on the head of him that is ordeined But the B. hand onelie on a Deacon c. chap. 3. 4. c. As for this Decrée chap. 22. is but of the Clearkes counsel to the B. And though they say also hee should seeke the assent sufferance testimonie of the Citizens yet in the action of ordeining they haue no power As for the 23. cha requireth onelie the presence of the Bishops Clerkes in the processe of his iudiciall sentences But this proueth not that they ioyne with him in the authoritie of the Iudiciall proceeding and giuing the sentence There is no Iudge can iudiciallie heare and determine anie causes temporal but he must haue his Clearkes and Registers about him to witnesse and recorde the same but neither their presence nor yet their inrolling of the acts giueth them anie authoritie in the Iudgement He is Dominus Iudex for all their presence And that doth the 28. declare saying The vniust condemnation of the bishops is voyde therefore to be retracted of a Synode But what is this to excommunication it is said euen in the next Decrée to that Danaeus héere citeth chap. 24. that the sacerdotall priest making ● speech or preaching in the Church he that shall depart out of the audience shal be excommunicated Might neither the priest nor the Bishop if they saw anie person to vse this dooing obstinatelie mainteine the same pronounce this sentence of excōmunication on him But that the Bishop might so doo in this and in other greeuous crimes we may well conclude by the 55. chap. of that Council that a Bishop shal excommunicate those that are the accusers of their Brethren if they shall amend their fault he may receaue them to the Communion not to the Clergie Héere ●o is the excommunication and absolution made by the Bishop without anie ioyned with him in these actions were they present at the dooings neuer so much And that this was allowable by the ancient custome of the Church the Councill of Eliberis holden almost an 100. yeres before anie of these Coūcels approoueth the excommunicating made by a Bishop himselfe saying chap. 53. It pleased them all that euerie one should receiue the Cōmunion of that Bishop of whom being in anie fault hee was Abstentus that is put backe separated or excommunicated But if so be anie Bishop shall presume to admit him he being not yet willing or consenting of whom he was depriued of the communion let him knowe that he shall aunswere these causes among the Brethren with the danger of his estate Concerning Cyprians Epistles we haue perused them