enioye the kingdome nor to beare ciuill offices but the causes of God and the causes of the King had their seuerall triall officers and Iudges But this a Bishop or Archbishop euen by his ordination is not onely not bounde vnto but of the contrarie being ordayned to exercise the office of a Bishoppe according to the worde of God and the ordinances of this Realme is to meddle with ciuill iustice For the worde of God not speaking any one worde of such an office and the ordinances of the Realme laying vpon them offices charges in ciuill affaires they intermedle with all causes by reason of their office I might note many other repugnances in-their offices with the lawfull charges of Pastours and Teachers as their immoderate power in dealing with all ecclesiasticall causes of gouernement alone in ordayning Ministers giuing and calling in licences censuring suspending excōmunicating absoluing such like But these reasons may suffice to shew that otherwise then the Replyer mainteyneth Bishoppes and Archbishops such as he speaketh of are not nor can not in any iust and true account be reckoned Pastours Teachers Such in deede they may haue bin and were firste ordayned to be and therefore ought to haue continued in that calling But accepting of th' offices of Bishops and Archbishops wherin there are so many things as haue bin shewed repugnant to the functions of Pastours and Teachers they can not in any sorte be esteemed trew Pastours and Teachers of the church such as our Sauiour appointed for the worke of the Ministerie but are a thing degenerate and growen out of kinde a humane creature and an institution and ordinance of Kings and Princes Thus much may suffice to shewe that Bishops and Archbi hops are not Pastours and Teachers Whereby it is playne to be no consequence whiche the Replier maketh for them in this place that is because there were Pastors and Teachers in the primitiue Church that therefore there were Bishops and Archbishops also in that time Hee addeth they are such as haue bene Deacons too which being admitted it followeth not because they haue bin Deacons and nowe are Bishops or Archbishops that therefore Bishops and Archbishops were in the primitiue Church But I denie that euer they were right and lawfull Deacons For a Deacon is an ecclesiasticall officer attending the poore of the Church whose Deacon he is The trueth of this is most euident by the Deacons of Ierusalem of whose institution we reade in the sixt of the Actes where the Apostles discharging them selues of this care and seruice determined and boūded their office of Apostleship for euer after within the boundes of preachinge and prayers and the Deacons office in that which they discharge them selues of that is in the attendance of the poore Which appeareth also by the 12. to the Romanes where their office is limited in like maner Nowe the Deaconshippe hee speaketh of which they haue had is no such matter but a meere humane institution a degree to priesthoode a power to baptise and reade the publique Litargie without power to minister the Lordes Supper or to preach by vertue of that calling and is nothing like the ordinance of GOD for the reliefe of the poore Therefore euen that also is not trew whiche the Replier saieth that they haue bin Deacons too In deede they haue come by the Deacons bagge and got into their hands that which by th'ordinance of God and the auncient commons of the Church should be distributed by the Deacons to the comfort of the poore Which the Christian Magistrate is in all duetie to God to require at their handes to restore to the former right vse againe as he is other partes of their liuings and namelie that which ought to be the liuing of the Pastors Teachers which attende vpon the seruice of the people in teaching and instructing them in true religion whose liutngs being taken away and cast into those seas would be restored againe that the people giuing their goods to be taught in the knowledge of God not able to giue any more do not perishe for wante of teaching but may receyue the fruite of this their liberalitie But this because I haue not further occasiō in this place I forbeare to debate at large onely by occasion of their Deaconshippe I haue in a word noted their iust dealing as with the poore and the Deacons so also with the Pastors and Teachers with all the people of God Whereby appeareth that howsoeuer they are transformed now are neither Pastours Teachers Elders nor Deacons yet sauing the worke and labour of these callings in preaching vnto the people and watching ouer them with the Lordes watche and seruing the necessities of the poore they haue wholy deuoured them all All the power authoritie and liuing both of Pastours Teachers and Deacons yea and the treasure of the poore also being possessed and enioyed by them Thus haue I answered his two reasons alleadged to proue Bishops and Archbishops to haue bin in the primitiue Church In this place affirming them to be in their office and kinde of ministerie Pastours and Teachers yet saith he sith he is the ordainer or ordinarie of them and ouerseer both of them the people he is in dignitie of another office and kinde of ministerie different from them For answere wherevnto he is to vnderstande that the worde of God giueth not this authoritie to a Bishop to be ouerseer of the people and also of their Pastours and Teachers nor to any one man bearing ecclesiasticall office to be the ordainer or the ordinarie as he speaketh of the Ministers of the worde As touching the firste of ouersight the worde Ouerseer or as we call it Bishop Actes 20. is vsed diuers times in the Scriptures but alwayes in regard of the people Phil. 1.1 and of the Church and at no time of other Ministers of the worde If it be otherwise let him shewe where a Bishop or Ouerseer is named in respect of other Pastours and Teachers True it is that Pastours Teachers may offende through the corruption of nature that is in all men therfore are not exempted and freed by the worde of God neither frō ouersight nor punishment but are liable to all maner of censures of the church as any other of the congregatiō to the ciuil punishments of the lawes But their ouerseers in such cases are the ciuil Magistrat who is to see that they doe their duties or to enforce them to it by ciuill punishments their cause being firste duely heard tried and iudged Further the Eldership of that church whervpon they attende and all the greater Cōferences and Synodes wherevnto by good order agreed in the churhc they are made subiect haue the ouersight of them power to admonish censure with ecclesiasticall censures of deposition from their ministerie or of suspension and excommunication as their offence may deserue So as no man in the Churche nor in the
that one of those foure should toppe the rest to make him selfe lorde of all and vniuersall Bishop ouer the Church Which disorder increased after this Hierarchie for multitude of causes brought to them out of so large circuites began first to slacke their preachinge and to growe negligent and in the ende to giue it ouer and preache seldome as vpon hye and solemne dayes or not at all After also that Emperours Kings began to be Christians and they to growe in fauor with them and to receyue so great giftes and honours of them as to beare the port and state of worldlie Princes and to meddle with ciuill causes and mannage the state growing thereby not only to neglect but euen to despise the hye and most holy seruice of God the preaching of the Gospell after all this I say what remayned but that the most ambitious of the foure Patriarkes should by practise with some mightie Potentate set his foote vpon the heads of th' other Patriarkes and rayse him selfe into the seate chaire of Antichrist Which notwithstanding two of them who were seated in the two chiefe Cities of the East and West Empire Constantinople and Rome did striue togither for a whyle yet in the ende the Bishop of Rome preuayled being Bishoppe of that citie which had bin Lady of all the Earth for a lōger time and hauing fitter occasions seruing to it as first of th' absence the Emperours after by meanes of the decay of the Empire in the East and of his more ambitious diligence who had diuers ways attempted it before especially because it was prepared for him that was placed in the Citie that standeth vpon seauen hilles Which was brought to passe by practise with Zimri the murtherer of his Lorde and Maister that is with Phocas the murderer of Mauritius the Emperour by whose fauour the name and title of vniuersall Bishop was obteyned After whiche time the Bishops of that seate by wicked practises and cunning meanes setting th' Imperiall Crowne vppon whose head it seemed good to them increased them selues exceedinglie by the donation of Pepin and others in ritches lands temporalties and in worldlie Dominions and state Whereby enlarging their power in church matters and nourishing parasites for the purpose at the last not onely by temporal power but by yoke of conscience vnder pretence of Peeters primacie giuen to him by our Sauiour and of succession to Peeter this man of sinne seated him selfe in the middest of the temple of God that is of that people whiche sometimes had bin the temple of God and exalted him selfe aboue all that is worshipped or called God Loe the seate of all abhominations 2. Tes 2.4 and the stayres degrees and steppes from the lowest to the highest whereby Sathan made way in chaūging Gods ordinance as it is saide in the Declaration to Antichrists pride and after he had so done brought in all manner of false doctrine and confusion This way to Antichristes pride in chaunging the ordinances of GOD the Replier is careful shoulde not bee vnderstood in anie sorte of Bishops and Archbishops as if any ordinance of God had bin chaunged in creating such offices as are exercised by them or that Antichrist could haue any thing the readier way to his seate by them and would cast this vpon the publike charges instituted of God to bee in his Church His firste reason to proue this is that Bishops and Archbishops were in the primitiue Church Whereof notwithstanding this be not the fitte place to speake and that I haue alreadie refused for this cause to make him any answere till he come orderly where it is to bee debated yet because I see he dreameth still of Bishops and Archbishops and that both vnseasonablie and importunatlie he calleth vppon it it shall not peraduenture be amisse to giue some answere in the meane time till he bring forth the rest that he hath to speake in their behalfe It is to be remembred here first howe litle reckoninge hee hath made of the proofes alleadged for th' office of Elders the which yet are such as that the holy Scriptures make mention of such an office to haue bin in the Church in those times declare to what vse it serued and that there were such appointed in all the churches of the Apostles who to them and to the Ministers of the worde committed the standing and ordinarie care ouer the churches Which proofes being so smallie accounted of by the Replier as they are we are vndoubtedlie to haue from him sufficient and strong argumentes authenticall recordes and authorities playne and cleare euidences for anie matter he will vndertake to prooue But especiallie as his issue is greater so his euidences are to be clearer the higher th' offices are in dignitie and power aboue the office of Elders of so much more certaine and chiefe authoritie are his rolles to be and his pleas mightie and forcible seeinge there are great royalties and regalites belonging to those offices whose patentes he would iustifie The first entrance into his proofe is such in deede For he pleadeth the donation of god the writing and instrument of our Sauiour Christe signed with the great seale of Heauen and Earth the power whereof the Lorde declareth to be giuen vnto him Which if it be so surely then could these offices neither receyue any chaūg nor consequentlie the chaunge of them bee any way to Antichristes pride But let vs heare what his reasons are A man would thinke breaking so often and so violentlie into this cause that from Moses throughout all the Prophetes he would shew vs this matter and after by the whole colledge of th'Apostles as by a cloudde of witnesses without all exception he woulde haue oppressed for euer all that dare say as he speaketh that these offices of Bishops and Archbishops Pag. 78. wrought any waye to Antichristes pride But for all witnesses he bringeth in the Apostle Paule A witnesse in deed without all exceptiō though he be alone notwithstanding euery matter was wont to bee confirmed by two or three witnesses for the highest authoritie of God whose secretarie he was in that he wrote Deut. 19.5 Mat. 18.16 so as all creatures both men and Angells are to rest in that which hee by the will of God hath deliuered let vs heare therefore what the Apostle speaketh in this cause In the primitiue Churche sayeth the Replier Titus was made an Archbishoppe and had many other Bishops vnder his gouernement If it be demaunded by whom hee was created this was sayeth hee Saint Paules acte whose acte no doubt was approued of God him selfe No doubt in deede but what that Apostle and the rest did concerninge a setled order to gouerne the Church by in all time to come but it was the acte of God him selfe But if Archbishops bee instituted of God in the Church I demaunde whether this institution be alterable or no and whether Princes or the Church aduising of some other
bee indifferent Judges For whatsoeuer shall please the ciuill Magistrate or them selues to call or count indifferent it muste bee so holden of all men without any further inquirie But of the supreme authoritie of Christian Princes in ecclesiasticall causes howe farre it extendeth by the worde of God we shall haue better occasion to intreate hereafter when we haue described the ecclesiasticall state Here he first standeth vppon the worde others with much tryfling and toying seeking who these others may be which in generall hee may playnely perceyue by the declaration of their opinion that is that those others are such as holde the opinion there declared Next he examineth these wordes with more colour of reason then these wordes of indifferent matters Whereof he would enforce the Declaration to affirme such others to leaue all indifferent matters to the onely disposition of Princes at their pleasure Wherevnto hee replyeth that no good Prince doeth without aduyse of their coūsell determine of matters notwithstanding he affirmeth the authoritie and lyfe of such decrees to lye onely in the Princes disposition For Salomon him selfe had his counsell yet sheweth he not by anie sufficient authoritie or reason that Salomon or anie of the godly and vertuous Kings of Iuda determined by aduyse of their counsell and commaunded anie such matters of the Ministers apparell or any order gouernement ryte or ceremonie in the Church or what the Replyer may thinke to bee most indifferent in that kinde Whiche had bin very fitte for him to haue done the matter being of no small importance which he also setteth out to the vttermost saying That it is this day a great question and toucheth the matter to the quicke what the authoritie of Christian Princes is in the disposition of indifferent matters Why then did not he if hee would gage thus deepe into this vessell as to affirme all indifferent things to be as touching power and authoritie meerlie at the disposition of the Prince alleadge vs some authoritie of the Prophetes or Apostles or some auncient President and example of Dauid or Salomon or some other of the godly zealous Princes and Kings of Iuda But it was not because he would like a graue and sounde Diuine resolue his Reader of this poynt but for that as he sayeth it toucheth the quicke and might serue him to bring some man to question of his life as denying the Supremacie that he vrgeth so much this matter Which yet as hir Maiestie hath not at any time so pursued so is it to be hoped hir gracious disposition to religion and iustice will not suffer hir hereafter to pursue how clamorouslie soeuer such aduocates of iniustice shall crye out that it toucheth the supremacie For so long as it is acknowledged with all duetifull and godlie reuerence of her Maiesties Soueraigne authoritie that the same power belongeth to hir highnes Royall state Crowne and dignitie that at this time any soueraigne Prince vpon the earth doeth lawfullie exercise ouer his people or any of the Kings of Iuda euer enioyed in their time by the word of God although it bee denied that that fulnes of power which the Pope most vnlawfully vsurped in things eyther contrarie to the cōmaundements of Amightie God or peculiar to our Sauiour Christ can bee lawfullie chalenged by any Christian Prince Religion and Iustice will aunswere in such case that this is no more Luke 20.25 then as wee are taught in the Gospell Giue to God that which is Gods and to Caesar that which is due to Caesar The Replyer here rayseth great expectation in his reader to looke for some resolution by the Declaration concerning this question what the power of the soueraigne Magistrate is in matters indifferent affirming this case to be moued by the Declaration and therefore to haue bin thorowlie aunswered being so important which is nothing so For the Declaration nameth no such case nor question as to enter into the debating of that matter whiche would bee heere wholy out of place but by the way and vpon such occasion as hath bene declared maketh mention of some vn-indifferent mens opinions concerning the power of Princes in indifferent matters A vsuall thing in all good writers and allowed by all men of sounde reason and iudgement by occasion to touche a matter without being bounde thereby to enter into the discourse of it But if he were so desirous to haue this matter treated of why did not he take this occasion to shewe vs by the word of god what the power of christian Princes is in such cases and to prooue by sufficient and strong authorities and other reasons that the ordinarie guyding of the Churche in matters indifferent as well as in all other is not lefte of our Sauiour Christe to ecclesiasticall officers that is neyther to the particular assemblie of Elders for a particular Church nor for more to a more generall nor for the Church of a nation to a lawfull Nationall Synode He should haue shewed vs by like proofe that the Christian soueraigne Magistrate receyueth increase of ciuill power ouer the Church by reason of his Christian profession and fayth Then should hee haue prooued that if anie of the Princes whiche are Heathen were by the mightie worke of GOD conuerted to the obedience of the faith of Christ hee should not onely thereby stande charged to honour God with the lawfull and holy vse of that ciuill power whiche hee had before his conuersion applying it nowe to the maintenance of Gods true seruice and seruauntes protecting and comforting them in well doing as farre as his ciuill power and authoritie may doe it and enforcinge by the same power all men to that which by the same holy religion is duetifull for them to doe as all other men are in like case to vse their giftes of vnderstandinge knowledge counsell wisedome power and authoritie or what soeuer when they haue found fauour of GOD to bee conuerted to the precious faith of our Sauiour Christ but that togither with the fayth hee receyueth besides the charge of the holy vse of the power whiche hee had whyle hee was yet in his paganisme a further increase of power whereby hee may in matters appertayninge to Religion appoynte and ordayne of all thinges indifferent so as the assemblies of Elders and Synodes Prouinciall and Nationall are to leese that authoritie in such cases before exercised by them and to render it vppe to that power as of right and duetie belonging to it But leauing the proofe of all or any of these poyntes hee complayneth that by any occasion this matter was once mentioned by the Declaration except it had bin thoroughlie debated yet least he should leese all his labour in sifting and winnowing like wheate these wordes of the Declaration hee laboureth to gayne some allowance from it of this poynt Which is that indifferent matters are to bee reserued onely to the disposition of Princes which he would enforce in this maner The Declaration as hath
shal be thy nurses and great peace large reuenewes for maintenance of learning the benefite of Scholes Colledges houses of noble foūdations for students two so famous Vniuersities of long time for men of excellent abilitie in all good knowledge all these helpes now almost 30 yeares togither without intermission or interruption besides the former time of king Edward of noble memorie and yet notwithstanding all these is so vnfurnished of sufficient and able godly learned men as that by farre the greater part of it should be in the hands of an insufficient vnlerned ministerie without any maner of cōpetent abilitie to expoūd the word of god without diuinitie without sciēce without art other then such as they were prentises at in a great part without both pietie religion Doeth the word of God allow that men called to the ministerie may take ciuill callings to deale by offices in causes of state iustice or to forsake the charge of particular cōgregations in seruing them in the greatest highest seruice of preaching the gospell to them to rule ouer the churches ministers of a whole Diocesse Is it good order allowable by Gods word to make a nūber of ministers at once whereof no one is called or desired to any particular Congregation but must seke sue for places after where to bestow them selues Dispensations faculties for non residents pluralitie of benefices a court of faculties for sundrie like purposes can it be iustified to be good order by the worde of God Doeth the worde of God giue power to any one man vnder heauen to make Ministers alone at his pleasure to graunt licence to preache and to call it in agayne at his owne pleasure to suspende to release to excommunicate to absolue and all as seemeth good to him selfe The same worde alloweth not for good order that Sacramentes should be administred priuatelie by anie much les that it be so by priuate men and least of all by women Nor that they be publiquely ministred without preaching of the word It approueth not such cases of necessitie as enforce these things nor the doctrine of conference of grace by them for the worke wrought To make that inequalitie of the Sacramentes that one should haue power to minister Baptisme that should not haue power to administer the Lordes Supper another power to administer both yet not to preache and another to doe all three being the sacred and hye ordinances of God and yet not to confirme children can not be shewed to be the orders or ordinances of God In like maner can it not be shewed by the worde of God that Chauncelours Commissaries and such Officers of Bishops and Archdeacons should deale with the censures of the Church hauing no maner of lawfull ecclesiasticall callinqe vnto it nor that excommunication is to be for pecuniarie causes and payementes of registres fees or such like But what doe I reckon particulars whereas if the Cannon law be the rule for church-gouernement the abuses must needes be infinite If these disorders bee in the reformed Churches notwithstanding their wante of all outwarde meanes and the heauie displeasure of their Princes and the whote and fierie persecutions wherewith they are pursued whiche yet were a time of tolleration and bearing with thinges amisse if there were any their state were to be helde disordered and to neede reformation for feare of the most iust wrath and indignation of God to fall vpon them But if all these and such like matters be well ordered in them and the same farre otherwyse in our Church notwithstandinge all the meanes and helpes to haue procured the good ordering of them much more conuenientlie then with them is the Declaration to be blamed for exhorting to leaue such a disorder and to receyue that order which is according to God Nowe as the glorie and kingdome of Christ is highly aduaunced and increased where this obedience is giuen to him to order his house accordinge to his will whose it is so on the other parte there must needes be so much wanting of the glorie increase thereof where that obedience is not yeelded to him Which would to God it were otherwise and that the enormities of all sortes did not shewe the want of that glorie of Christes kingdome that would bee if his orders were obeyed nor the exceeding great apostasie falling awaye from God to Atheisme Epicurisme and profanenes and namelie the multitudes of recusantes of late yeres so greatlie increased did not shewe how smallie the glorie of the kingdome of Christ doeth increase amongest vs. As for our peace and other blessinges whereof the Replier speaketh it is in deede to be acknowledged to the high honour of Almightie God that neyther at this present is any Nation vnder heauen so blessed in all respectes nor hath this Lande bin so at any time heretofore The Lorde make vs thankfull for all his ritche mercies bestowed vpon vs and continew with great increases all the prosperitie and happie estate of our Lande people But that he sayeth we are so blessed aboue all other churches euen in this estate of ecclesiasticall gouuernement established soundeth as if he would haue one ecclesiasticall estate to be taken to be the cause of all these blessings Some attribute the cause hereof to the troubles of our neighbours and some to the gratious gouernement of hir excellent Maiestie and the great wisedome of the right Honourable of hir Counsell Diuines as it best agreeth with their profession yet with due honour of all the noble instrumentes of this grace as euerie one hath deserued to the prouident and watchfull care of Almightie God ouer vs in giuing all the good meanes of this our estate which we enioye and many times by extraordinarie fauours discouering the secrete practises of our enimies and working in deede as the Replyer sayeth wonderfully and graciouslie for vs. But no man yet that euer I heard of before this attributed this honour to Archdeacons and Archbishops to Chauncelours and Bishops to Commissaries and Officialls or the rest of that trayne This is a garlande would not become those heades in anie sorte let them weare it to their great honour that haue deserued it Is it for that that they are the Officers which God hath set in his Churche and therefore doeth powre his blessing vppon his owne ordinance It hath bin alreadie shewed what agrement they haue with the worde and from what originall they proceeded If it be sayde notwithstanding they be of mans creation and appointement yet they may bee employed in such affaires as might procure this blessing to the state let it bee considered wherein they haue bin occupied since her Maiesties raigne it will easilie appeare howe farre it is of that they should haue any parte of this honour If there were a commission graunted to examine what hath bin done by these officers and their Courtes for these nine and twentie yeares what good they haue
and so holde it needles to speake anie more to this matter howe often soeuer the Replier shal charg vs and proceede on to the consideration of such other matter as in the rest of this his first booke he hath layde before vs. Proceeding on with this sentence He rayseth like hues and cryes vpon the declaration for the wordes what pleaseth them after for these of all men and last of all vppon these without all further inquirie naming many idle questions and pulling harde to strayne this to reache to all politike matters The effect wherevnto he tendeth is that nothing is vrged for indifferent amongst vs that is not indifferent and that things being once so established as they are all men should rest in such determination without further question Which things he is content barelie to affirme but it may appeare by the petition presented to the Conuocation house for resolution that sundrie godlie learned and faithfull Ministers not finding many poyntes so cleare as they are made in this place desired to be resolued vpon what good warrant of the worde of God they might reade in their publique ministerie Apocrypha bookes for Canonicall Scripture and that for this respect as more edifying the church then some Canonicall like assurance they desired to haue for to reade sundry most euident apparant abuses of the holy Scripture directlie in sense and in wordes cōtrarie to the text Likewise also how as indifferent or not repugnāt to the word they might holde the reading ministerie the exercise of ciuill power in the Bishops and their so large and immoderate power in causes ecclesiasticall and their forsaking the worke of their calling and the seruice of particular Congregations the iustifying of baptisme by Women cases of necessitie for priuate administration of them rytes misticall and with signification of doctrine besides those which are instituted of our Sauior Christ an office of Deacon without all charge of the poore and for reading of diuine seruice and ministring only the one Sacrament of Baptisme Of these and many other like pointes debated at large both in that petition and in the first part of this defence they desired to bee resolued vpon what grounde of Gods holy worde they might holde them indifferent or not repugnant to the word of god And yet without any aunswere to their peticion without any warrant of the Lawe eyther of God or man A subscription is vrged vpon them not onely as the Replyer setteth it down but as it liketh him whose it is though it beare neither his image nor superscription and sometime in this forme to promise faithfullie by it neyther priuatelie nor publiquelie directlie nor indirectlie to depraue reprooue or reprehende anye gouernement order ryte or ceremonie established c. What cause therefore the Declaration hath to esteeme some not indifferent in shewing what is indifferent appeareth by these Articles Now whereas secondlie he would haue no inquirie of things established let him shewe eyther that all thinges established once by authoritie are well established and ought without anie question to be receyued of all or els he must needes leaue it to the Church and to all the people of God to examine and trye orders setled and established by authoritie But the former can not be prooued by any sufficient or likely reason For that were to continue poperie and paganisme and euery false worship amongst men for euer And to enforce men so without all inquire to receyue what soeuer religion or matter in religion is ordeined by the ciuill Magistrate were to make euerie state established as abhominable an idoll as was the golden Image of Nebuchadnezzar and exalteth Princes of the earth aboue the heauenly King blessed for euer Therefore he must needes leaue it free to the people of God to consider of the ordinances of authoritie Which being lawfull as it is and not lawfull onely but also duetifull and necessarie then in case that any eyther of the Ministerie or other calling shal discouer any thing to haue bin otherwyse decreed then by Gods worde appertayneth it must needes be graunted that such in a reuerent duetiful maner may offer the cōsideratiō of it to the higher powers that reuisiting their owne former actes vppon further knowledge of the will of God they may amende and reforme whatsoeuer by the worde they shall discerne necessarie to be reformed And thus farre to the effect of the rest of his discourse vppon the sundrie wordes of this sentence The laste sentence of this section wherein the Declaration referreth ouer the intreatinge of the Supremacie till that be declared that concerneth Ecclesiasticall officers the Replyer after hauing played withall a whyle and sought to make him selfe and his friendes merye with vnseasoned iesting speache without any grace of edificatiō or matter worthie answere passeth on to the next section In that parte which he maketh the next section the Declaration first affirmeth it not needfull nor agreeable to good order of teaching to begin in that treatise First with the Soueraigntie of Princes and after argueth it by reason that that the Church was perfect in all hir regiment when no Princes were Christians and at this day is in good estate where it hath small fauour of them Wherevpon it concludeth that the regiment of the church dependeth not vppon the authoritie of Princes but vpon the ordinance of God Which cōclusion is enlarged by this that god hath so established the Church that as it may greatly prosper with the cōfortable ayde of christiā Magistrates so yet it may cōtinue or preuayle against the aduersaries of it without that helpe For the church receiueth helpe of the same to proceede more peaceably and profitably but receyueth all hir authoritie immediatly of god The Replier beginneth with the first of these sentences wherein it is affirmed to be neither needfull nor orderly in teaching to begin to intreate of the supremacie in a discourse of this nature that the Declaration is of And in this sentence he firste vndertaketh to reprooue that it is sayde not to be needfull Wherevnto he entreth with an vntrueth affirming the Declaration to haue alreadie alleadged for one cause of this order to bee least the opinion of such as giue the disposition of all Religon or at least of all indifferent matters in religion to Princes might be otherwise fauoured whereas the Declaration made not mention in anie sorte of those opinions for that purpose but to take occasion from them to satisfie all men concerning the order followed in that treatise His reply to that the Declaration saith it is not needfull to begin with the Supremacie is in effect of no valewe but yeeldeth to the iudgement of the declaration For the Replier confesseth in playn termes it is not needful as of necessitie after alledging Peter the Apostle speaking first of Magistrates sayth likewise that that order is not so needful neyther that it should prescribe Which if it be so what a friuolous reply is
things that concerne religion that we may liue vnder them a peaceable and quiet life in all pietie and honestie For of such things haue they charge also especiallie Magistrates which are of good Religion For which cause the Kings were commaunded in the law of Moses to haue by them a copye of the lawe and charged to see the same obserued Deut. 17.18 not in one part onely which concerneth the dueties of the seconde table but also of the first All which things whyle Magistrates procure and further by their ciuill power and authoritie blessed are they in so holy and honourable seruice and blessed is the Church that receyueth so exceeding great helpe benefite and comfort by them A litle quarell here is in the next place against the wordes most blessed Wherevnto it is replyed that the Church can not be sayde to be most blessed till it be in heauen But he is to vnderstande that it is not spoken of the Church simply but in some respect Which also he graunteth a little after sayinge him selfe of the primitiue church that it seemed in most blessed estate in some respectes As therefore the Church may be sayde to be in most blessed estate when it is ordered in all thinges according to Gods cōmaundement whiche is the greatest blessing it may haue in this lyfe so the Declaration speaketh of the Churches which are blessed in that respect The state of the auncient Church of the Iewes was then in most blessed estate in such respecte when all things in it aunswered the paterne shewed to Moses in the mountayne and the primitiue Church when it was ordered according to the rules of our Sauiour Christ So are the Churches of this age sayde for the same respect to be in most blessed estate From this he returneth againe to his question so often mooued before what vse then there may be of the Christian Magistrate For which he is to be returned agayne in like maner to his former aunswere Which is that th' vse of them is exceeding great in euery sorte and would be yet a great deale more if their godly proceedings were not hindered by misinformations of such who for their place and the trust reposed in them ought both to knowe and declare the will of God to Christian Princes to the furthering of the reformatiō of such abuses the continuance whereof prouoketh the wrath of God against both the Prince the people Who mainteyning that all is well when in the gouernance of the Church so manie things are amisse and neede most speedy reformation abuse them selues and the Princes whom they ought faithefullie to serue as Azariah and Hananias the Prophetes did Asa King of Juda 2. Chro. 15. 1 Cap. 16 7. Ierem. 1. 2. Ieremie Josiah with sundrie other and so hasten vpō them their people the fierie flying vengeance that for such enormities may come so mightily and suddainly that there wil be no turning of it backe nor escaping from it Wherein God be mercifull and spare his sanctuarie that it be not made desolate for the Lordes sake but to returne to the seruice Dan. 9.17 whereby for my parte I may endeuour to procure so great a blessing in maintenance of the trueth of God in the cause of the further reformatiō needful in the discipline as it hath bin thorowe the goodnes of God made in the doctrine I proceed to answere his next poynt of reply to this argument This replie is an iniurious and a bitter discourse of the difference of the state of the Church in persecution and in peace which he affirmeth to be hir most blessed estate It is set out by opposition of Princes persecuting and protecting the Church as of Pharao and Moses Saul and Dauid Manasses and Ezechias the Turke Sophi and Cham and the Christian Princes in Englande Germanie Scotlande Denmarke c. The end wherof is to charge the Declaration with a grosse and foule absurditie as if it affirmed the Church in times past to haue bene in better state vnder Tyrants and persecutours then vnder godly and vertuous Princes and in this age vnder the heathen then vnder Christian Princes Wherevppon he cryeth out O blinde what should I call it malice no but selfe-willed opinion that to deface the good estate of the church of God wherein we are vnder such a right defendor of the faith defended and shielded from all our enimies in a farre more blessed estate then we deserue will make such an odious comparison as this is But as the olde saying is Itch and ease can no man please If a beame of a Bishoprike had not hindred his sight hee might haue seene more clearely both in many other places and in this that there is no such comparison made as he cauilleth about It is saide in the Declaration that the Church at this day standeth in most blessed estate where the ciuill Magistrates are not the greatest fauourers Whereat although he iestingly demaunde after his maner whether this be in Vtopia or where yet either he must be starke blinde or els hee must needes see that it is meant of the Countries neare vnto vs wherein the Churches are in some respect in most blessed estate Whiche blessednes if he scorne at for the persecution whiche they endure what will he answere to our Sauiour Christ saying Blessed shall ye be when men reuyle you Ma. 5.11.12 persecute you and say all maner of euill against you for my sake falslie Reioyce be glad for great is your reward in heauen For so persecuted they the Prophetes which were before you Further also in regard of the full reformation of the church both in the doctrine and discipline of our Sauiour Christ which the Lorde that is riche in mercie hath for their more aboundant cōfort giuen them to enioy in this their outward troublesome persecuted estate For these and such like respectes declared vpon occasion before in this treatise the Declaration calleth their estate most blessed In reproch whereof he exhorteth the Ministers zealous of the further reformation of our church to be gone into those coūtries if they iudge the estate of thē to be better then our owne I maruell not if the successours of Amazia would fayne haue the successours of Amos to depart both out of the Court Amos 7.12 and countrey too For then might they more freely abuse whome they would But the duetie of our calling wherevnto almightie God of his great mercie hath called vs whiche is to serue especiallie the church of our own nation people amongest whom we are borne and brought vp whose language is ours by nature with whom we are to haue all thinges common both blessings and punishmentes as the seruaunts of God in Iewrie had will not suffer vs to hearken to his rude motion least we should with Jonas fly from the presence of the Lorde Further as the terrour of God so the loue of our people nation our kinred and acquaintance