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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
cause_n	church_n	true_a	visible_a	3,262	5	9.6634	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A41015	Roma ruens Romes ruine : being a svccinct answer to a popish challenge concerning the antiquity, unity, universality, succession, and perpetuall visibility of the true church even in the most obscure times, when it seemed to be totally eclipsed in the immediate ages before Luther / by Daniel Featley ...	Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645.	1644 (1644)	Wing F592; ESTC R4369	68,281	80

body of Christ is in very deed and sensually handled and broken in the priests hands and ground and chewed with the teeth of the faithfull as the form of subscription enjo●ned to Berengarius by pope Nicholas extant in the canon law implyeth others like not of this grosse manner of eatin● and for Nicholas his words they put a colourable glosse upon them Some hold that mice may eat the body of Christ others doubt of it and others deny it Some hold the consecration to be made by these words Hoc est corpus meum others are of another mind 11. Touching the pope Some teach that he may err as pope and in cathedra others will by no means grant that the pope sitting in his chair may be ever beside the cushion Some teach that the pope hath power to depose kings and dispose of their kingdoms others can find no ground at all in scripture or reason for this temporall power of the pope 12. Touching co●●cel● Some hold that the councell is above the pope others that the pope is above the generall councell and both sides bring into the field pares aquilas pila minantia pilis pope against pope and councell against councell nay councell and pope against councell and pope and here you are at your wits end These and such like controversies nay speculations of far lesse moment are matters of faith when we differ from you or among our selvs about them Forsooth your determination maketh matter of faith be the question never so flight or curious your suspence makes it a neutrall point be the matter never so expedient for resolution Nor in points resolved by the church can the generall submission of the popes subjects be accounted union when as it is constrained by the strong hand of authority suppressing all contradiction rather than proceeding from any voluntary and free consent of judgements as appeareth by your clipping the tongues of Stella Ferus an● very many other of your own authors when they speak any thing of your errours or corruptions PAR. XI That the notes above-named are not found in the Roman church CHALLENGE All which going together and being onely found in her and not in another church do evidently prove that she alone is truly Apostolicall and consequently out of her there neither is nor can be salvation Answer When Phasis in Martial being but a peasant put himself into a rich sute of apparell and having the garb of a gentleman thrust himself amongst the gentlemen into the theater and there fell a commending the new edict of the Emperour touching the placing of all sorts of citizens according to their ranks saying tandem commodius licet sedere nunc est reddita dignitas equestris c Now we may sit without trouble now the gentry have recovered their right Before he had ended his speech in comes Lectius the Emperours officer to execute the edict and by vertue of that edict which Phasis was so highly extolling turns him out of his seat as not due to him by any title or colour save of his purple coat Istas purpureas arroga●tes Jussit surgere Lectius la●ernas Whether Phasis his case and yours are not alike let those judge who dare look upon truth without such false spectacles as you p●… upon the noses of those whom you nuzell in superstition You set forth visibility and universality and unity and succession in golden and glorious colours as the proper marks of Christs true church by which marks and notes you are discovered to be none of the t●●e church sorex suo indicio For as hath in part already and shall hereafter be shewed more at large if either your cause or heart will bear a second encounter popery was not visible till many hundred years after Christ when the man of sin began to be revealed universall popery was never at unity with it self it is not at this day and for the succeeding of Roman bishops it hath been such both in regard of the violent fraudulent symoniacall and schismaticall manner thereof as also in regard of the persons succeeding in that see who have been branded with the foul marks of i●cest and the sin not to be named and the black and hellish marks of schism heresie atheism and necromancy that if there could be a succession in hell it could not be imagined to be worse PARAG. XII Amplitude and eminent visibilitie no mark of the true Church CHALENGE To disprove us herein we require that a protestant church with these marks may be shewed to have been always ext●●t Answer To disprove you herein it is not requisit that a protestant church with these marks be shewed it is sufficient to shew that these are not proper and inseparable marks of the true church To ●anverse your whole discourse we need no more than to ex●●●ge and rub out the false marks you have drawn of the church which may be done with a wet finger Of your ●●itie and succession we suppose you desire to hear no more as for eminent visibilitie and u●iversalitie it seemeth strange that amplitude should be the mark of Christs little flock eminent visibilitie and ●ustre the character of the woman which fled into the wildernesse and there hid her self a long time If the outward conspicuousnesse of the church may not be sometime obscured and eclipsed S. Ambrose was out who compared her in this respect to the moon You your self confesse that before the days of Constanti●e the church was generally eclipsed and I may as certainly add that not long after the days of Constantine during the raig● and fury of Arri●● Emperours and bishops bearing the greatest sway and occupying the chi●f sents in the church she was again eclipsed or rather turned into blood and yet neither the heathen nor the Arr●●● persecution by the judgement of the best learned may be compared to that {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} that last and greatest tribulation by anti-christ at which time as those of your own side confesse the publike sacrifice shall cease And as S. Austine saith expressely ●cclesia non apparebit impi●s ultra modum saevientibus the church shall not app●●r wicked men raging and cruelly persecuting her aboue measure You see what becomes of your note of eminent visibilitie and splendour now for amplitude and multitude of professors if it were safe following it if that were the touch-stone of truth if religion must go by voices of the many the Greek church would carry it at this day from you the Mahumetans from it and the idolatrous gentiles from all For as a learned and judicious man hath exactly calculated it the christians at this day possesse neer about a sixt part of the known inhabited world the Mahumetans a fifth part and the idolatrous gentiles two thirds or little lesse so that if we divide the known regions of the world into thirty equall parts the christians part is as five the