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A03418	A letter to Mr. T.H. late minister: now fugitiue: from Sir Edvvard Hoby Knight. In answere of his first Motiue	Hoby, Edward, Sir, 1560-1617.	1609 (1609)	STC 13541; ESTC S104131	47,450	130

be supposed to bee done but there are manie things done which through the iniurie and partialitie of times are not written at al which yet a man cannot without presumptuous follie peremtorilie denie I shall not neede to harpe any longer vpon this string there are so many instances to be alleaged as some affirme for e Vide The way to the true Church digr 48. pag. 336. yet vnanswered 800. yeeres after Christ which may put those that are indifferent cleane out of doubt euen of the visible succession of our Church which were it lesse apparant were yet no such aduantage to your cause as you suppose Yea but we come short of you in your Miracles Herein alone we yeeld you the bucklers our whole Church is not able to cōpare not with f When hee made his oration to the Earle of Lecester Leydens but with Louans Lipsius his little g Virgo Hal. Antuerp 1604. excus pāphlet He laieth on such load of our Lady of Hal who hath done so many miracles if her chāpion may be credited that she hath left none in store for them that come after h Cap. 8. p. 25. O quàm variè quàm multis in animo in corpore in periculis in calamitatibus in languoribus in ipsa morte O how manie waies saith he to how many persons hath our Ladie of Hal stood close at a pinch Once vpon a time i Cap. 8. p. 25. a Noblemans falknor had either by chance or negligence let goe his Lords falcon which for her extraordinarie high pitch was a Iewel of high esteeme No sooner was shee missed but the poore falkenor is charged to haue made monie of her with which suspition his Lord was so enraged that he swore by no beggars vnlesse she were found by such a day he would make him looke through a halter Well the day came he could heare no tidings of his hawke and therefore he heares that which his masters intemperate choler gaue him cause to feare euen his owne doome As he was going to his geare the executioner being aduanced his eies muffled and now ready to bee turned off the ladder he remembreth what a kind wench our feined Ladie of Hal was how good she had euer been at a dead lift and therefore with heartie sighes implores her helpe No sooner did hee thinke of this blessed Ladie but marke you me now the noise of a haukes bells began to gingle in the aire a sweet melodie you must thinke to a drooping heart hee is an earnest sutor to haue his face vncouered that he might yet once in his last oraisons lift vp his eies to heauen this being accordingly granted hee doubleth his prayers to the same Ladies shrine and behold that which is most strange notwithstanding the multitude of the standers by the falcon came sowsing out of the aire and without any lure did in the sight of them al light vpon his shoulder who for her escape was now tied to a new perch Heere is a miracle of the maker Do you stand amazed tush this is nothing to what that Ladie hath done she hath k Cap. 11. p. 29. driuen out euill spirits l Cap. 13. p. 31. asswaged terrible tempests m Cap. 10. p. 28. fetched a child that was found starke dead with his heeles vpwards in a muddie ditch n Cap. 16. p. 33. another that was drowned o Cap. 17. p. 34. another that was strangled p Cap. 19. p. 37. nay a stil-borne child three daies buried to life againe I cannot stand to tell you how she made q Cap. 7. p. 23. John Swickius lose the best nose in his face nor how r Cap. 30. p. 60. Philip Cluuius filed his chaines asunder with an oxe-bone I cannot recite the particular miracles wherewith Lipsius hath canonised this saint hee would be angry if you should say he deserues the whetstone yet cā you not denie but that he is summus simulādi Artifex Now if euery one of your Saints had a Lipsius the world would not containe the numberlesse miracles that should be then written But the truth is we haue too many of these alreadie vnlesse they were better and yet I will not say but that Lipsius is worth the reading by the fire-side when men roste crabs to driue a man out of a melancholie fit For I thinke sobrietie it selfe could not chuse but change countenance to heare him tell these ridiculous iests so seriouslie as if he did verilie beleeue them to be true For our parts wee are not ashamed to confesse that wee haue no other miracles then those which were wrought by Christ the Prophets and Apostles of these we say as the Apostle speaketh in another sense Omnia nostra sunt they are all ours being eiusdem fidei signacula seals of the verie same faith which wee hold Let those who haue no other warrāt for their doctrines seeke to countenance themselues by imposition of miracles it can be no disparagement to our religion that wee come behind you in these wherein we would think it our greatest shame to come neere you We will willinglie giue you leaue to brag of your specious and speculatiue wonders it is enough for vs to wonder that so many of our late bookes are yet vnanswered I do not meane the royall writings of Monarches too transcēdent for any traiterous fugitiues or malapert Chaplanes to snarle at I find there are verie many other which either your pride scorneth or your partialitie spareth or your policie feareth to encounter albeit the Bishop of Romes slipper hath been lately so rent as it hath no sound sole whereon his triple crowned supremacie may tread This your delay is not without iust cause for besides the distrust you haue in your selues grounded vpon an impossibility of long withstanding the truth it doth more neerely concerne you to bestow some time in ending your ſ Watsons Quodlibets Domestique differences and reconciling your t Bellum Jesuiticum obiected contradictions then to betake your selues vnto forren controuersies As for our Formalists and Presbyterians as you terme them howsoeuer they be somewhat different in habite yet are they vnited in heart readie at all times to ioyne in battel against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the Vniformitie of their faith And yet little should they need to set their pens about this taske so palpable is the grosenesse of your Theatricall religion that had the eies of all my countrie-men been partakers of my little experience the verie sight of your absurd mummeries would without any learned mans confutation breed a perpetual and loathing detestation in their minds It is an old saying Malum non vitatur nisi cognitum Had I not been an eie-witnes of your idolatrous trumperies I should not so cōpassionatelie bewaile the estate wherunto you are now fallen I was I wel remember in my yonger yeares a neere seruant vnto a mightie u

your selfe taken in the manner wherfore I will returne in a word to the iustifying of D. H. assertion It will bee verie tedious to set before you the whole summe of that pithie answere to Campians fifth reason De patribus Ab ouo vsque ad mala Which if you iudiciallie peruse you shall see he had good reason after so great promises and small performances on his aduersaries part to conclude as he did In the entrance of that subiect Campian would faine make the world beleeue that our Church had quite deposed the most ancient Fathers and doctors and that if we would make triall by them our cause were instantlie gone Omnes nostri sunt saith he in effect All the ships on the Attique shore all the Fathers are ours The day is ours Vnto this challenge our D. returneth this answere Nos horum patrum auctoritatem solummodò veneramur nos ad horum Synedrion sacro sanctum prouocamus They alone shall bee our Iudges wee will appeale to them And againe Verè ac propriè nostros patres in terris vocamus Prophetas Apostolos patres non à patre patrato sed à patre patrum delectos Wee account them our fathers whom the Father of heauen hath set ouer vs. All the exception he maketh against the challenge is this Jncipit saith hee ab aureae aetatis heroibus à patribus maiorum gentium sed mox ad alios vel aenei vel ferrei seculi homines descendit quos in vnum quasi globum sine vllo discrimine coniungit This is our D. resolution hee is willing to stand to the iudgement of the Prophets Apostles and Primitiue fathers adding only this that hee maketh a difference betweene those of the g Jnter patres paterculos golden age and those which succeed in the brasen and iron age of the world which the leauen and leprosie of Romish superstition hath sowred and infected Now how farre your Challengers right commeth short of his claime the conference of both their writings will more fullie declare then the breuitie of a letter will permit And in this behalfe I had rather referre you to a knowne h Printed at London 1608. Sermon yet so farre as I can learne vnanswered that was preached at Pauls Crosse Febr. 13. 1607 wherein it will appeare at least in twentie points how little countenance you haue from those holy fathers with whose names your frothie discourses are so stuffed and your controuersies bombasted I am not now an opponent to vrge the particulars wherein you proue destitute of those Fathers who are still at your pens end I shall hold it sufficient if I can at this time assoile that worthie father from your wrongfull imputations First for his euasion Campian had obiected The inuisibilitie of our Church and that we stood only at the reuersion of Aërius Vigilantius c. for some pestiferous fragments Now D. H. not knowing how to winde himselfe out of this difficultie is driuen as you say to slip collar thus VVherein Aerius did erre we reiect it wherin he held any thing agreeable to the Scripture we receiue it And consequently in this point of prayer for the dead we and our Church will not digresse from Aërius I would wish none of my friends to open his mouth against the least Retainer to Purgatorie Belzebub himselfe shall finde more fauour at your hands then such a man What Because the Diuels i Mark 3.13 confessed that Iesus was the Sonne of God will you therefore abiure it and blot it out of your Creed If Aërius howsoeuer otherwise erroneous doe ioyne with the Primitiue Church in nullifying oblations for the dead will you therefore haue our Church so nice as in a stomack to maintaine the contrarie Had D. H. said Aërius disliked them Ergo wee will not entertaine them then had he giuen the question to his aduersarie in the debate of our Churches Antiquitie this had bin indeed to picke the crums that had fallen from his table But because Aërius an Heretique was of this opinion that therfore it is a new coined doctrine and a disgrace for our church to hold it our D. thought it no good consequēce In matters of this kind wee are not to consider Quis but Quid not VVho it is or by whom this or that point is professed but Quid what it is that is held If the person be an k Galath 1.8 Angell we haue our warrant to refuse him if he bring 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 any thing besides that which the word warranteth on the contrarie if the doctrine be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that which is written or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 agreeable to that which we haue receiued though the person be an infernall spirit that vttereth it yet he is not to be refused What were this but with the l Pag. 76. Anabaptists and Brownists as you say to frequent no Church because there is some blemish in euerie Church were he not a wise minter that refuseth gold because there is much drosse though there be much chaffe in the heape yet will not the husbandman forsake his wheate shall the Arian heresie of Aërius make those other truthes which hee held to be of lesse esteeme By this reason we should not haue had one article of our faith left many hundred yeares ago if because of mens errors in some points we should therfore dissent from them in all What cause is there then why I should not highly extol this worthie saying of that Venerable man VVee are not ashamed to ioyne with Aërius saith he where Aërius ioyneth with the Scriptures Obserue this I pray you hee beleeueth it not because Aërius saith it is true but because that is true which Aërius saith therefore he beleeueth it Yea should a hūdred Councels of Romish Pharasaicall Scribes condemne him as an Heretique yet were he no whit lesse to bee followed in that wherein he followeth the VVord Call you this an Euasion to hold that which is agreeable to the written word Indeed whatsoeuer distasteth your quaint humors is an euasion Wel all the aduantage you get by such euasions you may put into your eie and see neuer a whit the worse Neither is the Collusion with which he is charged of any more moment then the former the words of our D. are these Non improbamus nos quod sensit Aërius Augustinus retulit non oportere nos orare vel oblationem offerre pro mortuis quia nullo Scripturae dicto continetur quod Aug. significare videtur quando hanc commendationem mortuorum dicit veterem esse ecclesiae consuetudinem We do not disproue that which Aërius taught and Augustine hath related that we ought not to pray nor offer oblation for the dead because this is not contained in any precept of the Scripture which Augustine also doth seeme to signifie when he saith that this commendation of the dead was an ancient custome