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separating themselues from the holie father the popes church VERIL. I denie the consequent bicause that separation or schisme was necessarie and godlie For either it was a singular calling as Iohn the baptist departed from the ordinarie power or else they did it for the vniuersall commandement of God which bindeth and compelleth all men that they must depart from the companie which imbraseth wicked doctrine and false worshippings according to such commandement as this is Fuge idola and Non habebis deos alienos coram me Exod. 20. Thou shalt haue none other gods but me This vniuersall commandement is greater and of more force than a singular calling therefore all men must willinglie obeie it FALSIL. What is the cause that Turkes Iewes Infidels and manie Christians are not partakers of Christs benefits but are damned VERIL. The cause is they cannot a●●●e vnto themselues the benefits of the sonne of God by faith which is the redéemer of all men Et dedit vitāsuā redemptionē pro multis 2. Cor. 1. And gaue his life a redemption for manie 1. Tim. 2. Matt. 20. Exod. 15. and it was prefigured in the deliuering of the children of Israell But they being reprobates contemne these things and as it were cast awaie from them the sonne of God blaspheming him as the Turkes Iewes and manie others doo which beare the onelie names and outward shews of Christians but in their déeds and actions they are woorse than Pharisies that outwardlie séeme to blesse him with their mouths and cursse him with their liues and manners Therefore they are not heard of God when they aske of him FALSIL. Whatsoeuer saith Christ ye shall aske the Father in my name Iohn 16. he will giue it you If I aske a kingdome of him he will giue it me Bicause he is true VERIL. The minor is not true And distinction may be vsed in answering hereof For though that God be the author and giuer of euerie good and perfect gift both spirituall Iacob 1. and bodilie yet he giueth them and bestoweth them on such as pleaseth him when where and in such sort and quantitie as it best séemeth to his good and fatherlie prouidence So that we must not appoint him either the time measure or meane of his gifts but in all causes whatsoeuer we must tarrie the leasure of the Lord Qui benedictus est in omnibus vijs suis Psal 145. sanctus in operibus Which is blessed in all his waies and holie in all his workes And as his giftes be in number infinit in quantitie vnmesurable and in nature euerie one most excellent good both spirituall and corporall so he bestoweth them alwaies vpon his both spirituallie and corporallie Spirituallie for the furniture and beautifieng of the mind and soule of man as faith grace will wit memorie learning cunning and science And corporallie for the endowing and encreasing the outward happines of the bodie of man as helth beautie strength riches power and possessions In all which petitions made for the gifts of God we must follow the generall rule that our sauiour Christ hath prescribed vnto all flesh saieng Primùm quaerite regnum Dei iustitiam eius Matth. 6. adijcientur vobis omnia haec First séeke ye the kingdome of God and the righteousnes therof and all these things shall be giuen you meaning thereby that we shall haue all worldlie things the easier and with lesse trauell Then we must aske nothing hurtfull to the right of the church wherby the seruice of God shall be diminished our neighbour or common wealth impaired nor anie thing that should be an hinderance to our owne saluation To aske a kingdome when we cannot well guide our owne priuate estate we shall offend God because we haue not to appoint him the measure of his giftes happilie hurt the condition of manie hazard our owne soules Therefore we must content our selues with our owne calling remembring the holie Apostles saieng 1. Tim. 6. Quastus magnus pietas cum sufficientia Godlinesse is great riches if a man be contented with that he hath For 1. Cor. 7. Vnusquisque donum suum proprium habet ex Deo Euerie man hath his proper gift of God and he dooth sometimes as it were bridle and hold backe his seruants from committing sinne and wickednes togither with the world by the bit and bridle of scarsitie and penurie knowing bicause he is the searcher of the hart reines that if some might haue their harts desire and might enioy the fruit of their owne inuentions they would ignorantlie seeke their owne destruction by excesse Therefore it is written Rom. 8. Penuriam multo meliùs feras quàm saturitatem A man may better awaie with penurie than with saturitie God that made man knoweth what is in man and what estate is best for euerie man FALSIL. Wherefore doo the philosophers saie that mans will is cause of his owne miseries VERIL. Bicause men willinglie though vnwares procure to themselues manie miseries as for example Antonius at Rome willing to wage warre against Augustus was causer of his owne harmes 2. Reg. 11. King Dauid by taking awaie Vrias wife procured himselfe manie calamities Thus oftentimes mans wilfull mind is his owne miserie for that they are snared with pleasures and voluptuous liuing without Gods spirit as fishes are taken with the bait FALSIL. He calleth vpon the true God which calleth vpon one God maker of heauen and earth which is almightie wise iust good The Turkes and the present Iewes doo call vpon one God maker of heauen and earth which is almightie iust and good Therefore they call vpon the true God and shall be heard VERIL. I denie the minor because the Turkes doo call vpon their idoll yea rather I may saie they doo call vpon nothing For they doo not call vpon that God which is the father of our Lord Iesus Christ or which is the father the sonne and the Holie-ghost the which God hath manifested or opened himselfe in his word And because they doo not call vpon God in faith and knowledge of our mediator they are not heard for Christ saith Iohn 16. Nemo venit ad patrem nisi per me No man commeth vnto the father but by me Againe Iohn 14. Quicquid petieritis patrem in nomine meo dabit vobis What so euer ye shall aske the father in my name he will giue it you Therefore Turkes and Iewes doo erre from God two waies in essence will wherof without Christ our mediator there can be nothing rightlie determined FALSIL. What are the true principall causes of death and other the calamities of mankind VERIL. There be two causes the first and principall cause is sin which Adam committing departed from God and afterward spred into all men that is to saie the infirmitie of our corrupt nature and inclination to all euill The second cause is Rom. 5. the tyrannie of the diuell increasing by
said O mors ero mors tua Ose 13. morsus tuus ero inferne Oh death I will be thy death oh hell I will be thy destruction that is to saie I will destroie and abolish death and hell in such sort that they shall not anie more be able to hurt me nor my church or congregation from henceforth FALSIL. Whie did there manie others rise with Christ after his passion Matt. 27. as the euangelists doo make mention and came into the holie citie VERIL. To the end that we should beléeue This was a figure of the resurrection that Christ would raise vp his whole church in the latter daie and that his church should haue eternall saluation wherein the faithfull shall enioie the fruition and the sight of God with the most swéete loue of him during all eternitie the beginning of which estate of life is perceiued and knowne in the resurrection of Christ that we should not be doubtfull of the remainder of another and better life after our temporall death in this world and that at the generall resurrection all both the quicke and dead shall be rewarded according to their works doone here in this world good or euill FALSIL. He that calleth vpon one God the maker of heauen and earth calleth vpon the true God The Turkes and Iewes call vpon one God the maker of heauen and earth Therefore they call vpon the true God VERIL. I denie the minor For the Turkes and Iewes calling vpon one God they denie him to be the true God the maker of all things which is the father of our Lord Iesus Christ The infidels call not vpon the true God Therefore they call vpon an idoll and not vpon the true God Further they cannot be certeine by hearesaie first bicause they haue no promise next bicause they reiect and as it were cast from them the sonne of God the mediatour cruellie blaspheme him and tyrannouslie persecute him in the members of his church and chosen vessels to saluation FALSIL. What is the finall end of Christes incarnation VERIL. It is to béecome a sacrifice for his church and that he might be present with hir quicken hir by the gift of the Holie-ghost and might raise vs vp vnto eternall life Therfore the sonne of God is not onelie a redeemer reconciling vs to his father by the merit of his death but he is a sauiour in effect Esaie 7. Matth 1. Dani. 12. whereby he is called Emanuell that is to saie God with vs. And the prophet saith Christ standeth Pro filijs populi propugnans eos For to defend the children of the people FALSILOQVVS For how manie causes is the church of God subiect to the crosse of afflictions VERILOQVVS There be sixe causes of the churches afflictions The first cause is common and pertinent to all men that is to wit sinne or the corruption of nature following the fall of our first parents and spred abroad by generation into all their posteritie And of this cause it was said Gene. 3. In quacunque die comederis morte morieris Whensoeuer thou doost eate of the trée thou shalt die the death And againe Rom. 5. Per vnum hominem peccatum in mundum intrauit per peccatum mors By one man sinne came into the world and by sinne came death The philosophers make will and matter the cause of sickenesse and of death as the substance of an apple is the cause of his putrifaction But these are not the principall causes The principall and chéefe cause of sickenesse and death is sinne for the which mans nature is subiect to corruption and death And the second cause truelie whie the church or congregation of God is more subiect to the crosse and miserie than other men are is the diuell which bicause he hateth God he inuadeth his church the more gréeuouslie than anie other companie The third cause is bicause God would haue his wrath against sinne to be perceiued and knowne which the wicked companie and the epicurean sort doo securelie contemne and scoffe at The fourth cause is for that the church hath also hir sinnes which must be mortified by the crosse of afflictions The fift is bicause God would haue our afflictions to be the testimonies of his presence in his church when he deliuereth vs by his diuine power The sixt cause is that we should be certeine that there remaineth another iudgement in the which the godlie that haue béene afflicted in this life as Iohn the baptist and Paule with others shall be rewarded and the wicked as Herod Nero and such other shall be punished with eternall death bicause it is impossible that the godlie people should be alwaies in miserie and the wicked contrariewise should be still in pleasure FALSIL. Whie dooth Christ call the diuell Iohn 16. the prince of the world VERIL. He dooth not call him so in respect that he is the maker and the guider of the world which is the onelie worke of God but bicause he dooth beare rule in worldlie men and such as are not new borne which securelie giue themselues ouer to sinne whom the diuell leadeth whither it listeth him according to his will and pleasure holding them still to be his bondslaues captiues and thralles as long as they liue licentiouslie The holie apostle also calleth him the gouernour of such liuers Ephe. 2. saieng Ye walked in time past according to the course of this world Ac iuxta principem cui potestas est aeris qui est spiritus nunc agens in filijs cōtumacibus And after the gouernour that ruleth in the aier the spirit that now worketh in the children of vnbeléefe and disobedience FALSIL. What dooth Christ meane by the world in the gospell Iohn 16. VERIL. He meaneth worldlie and carnall men which falslie and wickedlie iudge of Christ and of the doctrine of his church of whom there be foure sorts First the mightie men of power iudge the doctrine of the gospell to be Seditiosam Luc. 23. seditious 1. Cor. 1. The wisemen of the world suppose it to be Stultitiam foolishnesse Matt. 26. The iusticiaries accompt it to be Blasphemiam in Deum blasphemie against God The Epicures doo esteeme the gospell to be Anilem fabulam commentitiam an old wines fained fable Psalm 14. as for example The foole said in his heart Non est Deus There is no God And the first psalme calleth such persons Derisores scorners Thus we sée that these foure kind of people mightie men of power worldlie wisemen iusticiaries that is such as suppose they can make themselues righteous in the sight of God by the merit of their owne workes and Epicures which do make Summum bonum their chéefe felicitie to be in all voluptuous carnall and licentious liuing with greedines thereof beléeuing as the Saduces did that after our death there is no part of man remaining These foure sorts are taken for the world in the scriptures of
gospell but also a king yet he shewed not himselfe as a king but vsed the spirit without violence that he might signifie that he punisheth all the wicked at the daie of iudgement And it is also a signification of the daie of iudgement FALSIL. Wherefore dooth God take men to grace and mercie and not the diuels VERIL. Bicause the sinne of the diuels is blasphemie and the sinne of our first parents was imbecillitie and weakenes God also sheweth his iustice in the eternall punishment of the diuell and his mercie in deliuering of man Matt. 25. And Christ said Ite in ignem aternum qui paratus est diabolo angelis suis Go into euerlasting fire which is prepared for the diuell and his angels Againe Iude. Seruabit diabolos aeternis vinculis God will reserue the diuels to euerlasting chaines Thirdlie the diuell sinned against God wittinglie and willinglie both in pride and contempt of the sonne of God whom therefore he contemneth bicause he cast him awaie to be worse than all creatures and man sinned by the instigation and deceipt of the diuell Genesi 3. And bicause the diuell sinned both of malice and wittinglie and hateth the sonne of God our mediatour with a perpetuall and insatiable hatred God receiueth him not into fauour For that the onelie sonne of God is the onelie mediator betwéene God offended and his creatures offending which mediatour the diuels persecute and blaspheme to the vttermost of their power alwaies labouring to contrarie the immutable will of God FALSILOQVVS The will of God is immutable Prou. 19. Moses gouernement was appointed by the will of God Therefore it is immutable VERILOQVVS I answer to the minor by distinction The will of God is immutable as he himselfe hath decréed To the minor the politike gouernement of Moses was ordeined by the will of God but so that it should be abolished againe when the Messias came which is the sauiour of mankind and that by thrée waies first by merit next by efficacie and thirdlie by intercession when he wrought in the world the mysterie of our redemption with other his signes wonders and miracles FALSIL. What are miracles VERIL. Miracles are the workes of God such as creatures No imitation of Gods miracles men and angels cannot imitate That is to saie the creation of the world the stopping of the course of the sunne the continuall moouing of the celestiall bodies the raising vp of the dead and to make the fruitfull barren And miracles are of two sorts ordinarie and inordinarie ordinarie are the creation the preseruing and propagation of mankind inordinarie to stop the course of the sunne to make the fruitfull barren and to raise vp the dead which the diuell can in no case imitate and followe Therefore he dooth alwaies maligne and take an offense against God FALSIL. Matt. 18. He that giueth cause of an offense dooth euill Christ geue cause of an offense Therefore Christ did euill VERIL. I denie the minor for Christ is no cause of an offense giuen There is a double offense one giuen and an other taken The offense giuen is an euill doctrine or a wicked example of life whereby others deceiued are made the worse In Catalogo haereticorum lib. 2. As Arrius the heretike bishop of Alexandria was the author of a most horrible offense giuen which affirmed Christ to be a creature onlie and confounded his Godhead It is written therefore that he burst asunder in the middest and his bowels gushed out Of which offense it is said Vae mundo a scandalis Wo vnto the world bicause of offenses And againe Vae illi per quem scandala fiunt Matth. 18. Wo vnto the man by whom offenses doo come The offense taken is when some are offended in hatred of the true doctrine as the Bishops the Pharisies the Saduces and the Scribes were with the gospell Therefore Christ said Sinite eos Matth. 23. caeci sunt duces caecorum Let them alone they are blind and the guides of the blind FALSIL. What is the lawe VERIL. The morall lawe which is holie and is established by the gospell as S. Paule saith is the eternall Rom. 7. immoueable wisedome in God and the rule of righteousnesse in the will of God discerning the good from the euill the which lawe is made manifest to the reasonable nature in his creation and after oftentimes repeated and established by the voice of God shewing in the church that God is a iudge binding all naturall creatures that they shall be conformable to that rule of the commandements of God declaring his horrible destruction to all them which will not reforme themselues according to that rule except they haue remission for Christes sake FALSIL. Luke 16. Christ said The prophets and the lawe reigned to Iohn the baptist Matth. 11. Therfore the morall lawe is abrogated and must no more be preached VERIL. I denie the consequent and answer to the antecedent by distinction Christ speaketh of Moses policie that is the ceremoniall and iudiciall lawe and not of the ten commandements which are the stedfast and perpetuall wisdome iustice and will of God which is immutable and God will haue all men to obeie his wisedome and iustice and would haue all men at all times to be in their maners and vsage conformable vnto the same Exod. 20. wherefore he saieth by Moses Ego sum Dominus Deus tuus I am the Lord thy God FALSIL. What is the peace of God VERIL. It is the tranquillitie of conscience and ioy resting and reposing it in God that he is at peace with vs by his sonne Christ of the which peace Christ himselfe speaketh saieng Pacem meam do vobis Iohn 14. pacem meam relinquo vobis I giue you my peace I leaue you my peace which is without all grudge worme Marc. 9. or sting of conscience and without all contrarietie diuision or schisme FALSIL. It was not lawfull to depart from the temple of Hierusalem and to make a schisme Iohn the baptist departed from the temple Christian mens ceremonies are spirituall things 1. Cor. 10. and made a schisme bicause he taught not in the temple but in the desert and ordeined a new ceremonie of baptisme and misliked the sacrifices commanded by God Therefore Iohn the baptist did not well VERIL. I denie the consequent and answer by distinction There is a double schisme One is necessarie which is done by the commandement of God peculiar vocation and calling So Iohn the baptist departed from the temple of Hierusalem in which his father Zacharias the préest taught and sacrificed bicause he was called therevnto by the most excellent and singular commandement of God The other is schisme rash and vnaduised hauing no commandement nor iust cause of reuolting which is to be denied and vtterlie to be eschued FALSIL. Tyndall and Luther had no commandement of God nor especiall calling Therefore they did naught in