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A09112 The vvarn-vvord to Sir Francis Hastinges wast-word conteyning the issue of three former treateses, the Watch-word, the Ward-word and the Wast-word (intituled by Sir Francis, an Apologie or defence of his Watch-word) togeather with certaine admonitions & warnings to thesaid [sic] knight and his followers. Wherunto is adioyned a breif reiection of an insolent, and vaunting minister masked with the letters O.E. who hath taken vpon him to wryte of thesame [sic] argument in supply of the knight. There go also foure seueral tables, one of the chapters, another of the controuersies, the third of the cheif shiftes, and deceits, the fourth of the parricular [sic] matters conteyned in the whole book. By N.D. author of the Ward-word. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1602 (1602) STC 19418; ESTC S114221 315,922 580

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the_o chief_a &_o supreme_a pastor_n of_o all_o may_v upon_o just_a cause_n and_o to_o person_n penitent_a &_o otherways_o well_o dispose_v and_o not_o so_o well_o able_a to_o satisfy_v for_o themselves_o in_o these_o temporal_a pain_n dispense_v and_o distribut_n spiritual_a help_n to_o the_o assistance_n and_o supply_n of_o there_o want_v and_o infirmity_n and_o this_o be_v proper_o that_o which_o we_o call_v a_o indulgence_n or_o pardon_n when_o any_o thing_n be_v remit_v or_o release_v that_o be_v dew_n to_o be_v pay_v of_o our_o part_n in_o which_o sense_n also_o esay_n the_o prophet_n use_v the_o word_n indulgence_n though_o in_o a_o more_o general_a signification_n when_o talk_v of_o christ_n he_o say_v 61._o esay_n 61._o that_o he_o shall_v be_v send_v praedicare_fw-la cap●ivis_fw-la ●dulgentiam_fw-la to_o preach_v indulgence_n to_o they_o that_o be_v in_o captivity_n 〈…〉_o use_v in_o his_o gospel_n 〈…〉_o sentence_n 〈◊〉_d esay_n he_o 〈…〉_o praedicare_fw-la captivis_fw-la 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