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A63919 A sermon preached before Sr. Patience Ward, upon the last Sunday of his mayoralty, Anno 1681 with additions / by John Turner ... Turner, John, b. 1649 or 50. 1683 (1683) Wing T3318A; ESTC R23557 54,614 86

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