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A45460 A reply to the Catholick gentlemans answer to the most materiall parts of the booke Of schisme whereto is annexed, an account of H.T. his appendix to his Manual of controversies, concerning the Abbot of Bangors answer to Augustine / by H. Hammond. Hammond, Henry, 1605-1660. 1654 (1654) Wing H598; ESTC R9274 139,505 188

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posteris_fw-la tradentes_fw-la ex_fw-la dominicâ_fw-la pactione_n sacrârunt_fw-la james_n at_o jerusalem_n john_n at_o ephesus_n andrew_n and_o the_o rest_n through_o all_o asia_n peter_n and_o paul_n at_o rome_n consecrate_v the_o church_n of_o the_o nation_n what_o nation_n be_v these_o sure_a of_o jew_n as_o well_o as_o gentile_n else_o jerusalem_n can_v not_o be_v any_o part_n of_o they_o no_o nor_o john_n convert_n at_o ephesus_n for_o they_o be_v jew_n and_o therefore_o this_o gentleman_n do_v not_o do_v well_o to_o substitute_v the_o word_n gentile_n for_o nation_n and_o yet_o can_v not_o without_o do_v so_o have_v make_v this_o exception_n to_o my_o word_n num._n 11_o and_o so_o much_o for_o exception_n to_o my_o first_o evidence_n against_o the_o universal_a pastorship_n of_o saint_n
call_v patriarch_n be_v no_o injury_n to_o the_o patriarch_n of_o antioch_n say_v theod_n balsamon_n himself_o patriarch_n of_o antioch_n in_o his_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o of_o the_o identity_n of_o the_o honour_n and_o according_o in_o the_o counsel_n the_o archbishop_n of_o constantinople_n under_o that_o title_n be_v place_v before_o the_o patriarch_n of_o antioch_n yea_o and_o of_o alexandria_n who_o yet_o by_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d divine_a and_o holy_a write_n i._n e._n the_o canon_n by_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tradition_n of_o the_o father_n be_v style_v pope_n say_v balsamon_n and_o therefore_o for_o justiniana_n also_o this_o be_v sufficient_a it_o be_v make_v a_o primacy_n and_o then_o it_o matter_n not_o though_o it_o be_v not_o style_v a_o patriarchy_n the_o exemption_n from_o rome_n and_o all_o other_o foreign_a power_n be_v all_o i_o pretend_v this_o city_n have_v and_o of_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o question_n whatsoever_o title_n belong_v to_o it_o num._n 11_o three_o this_o gentleman_n say_n that_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n have_v the_o title_n of_o patriarch_n in_o his_o own_o city_n will_v make_v one_o believe_v that_o he_o have_v it_o not_o elsewhere_o which_o yet_o it_o be_v notorious_a that_o he_o have_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o and_o the_o archbishop_n of_o jerusalem_n be_v public_o call_v patriarch_n say_v balsamon_n and_o he_o render_v the_o reason_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o the_o five_o patriarch_n of_o which_o number_n they_o be_v two_o hold_v the_o place_n of_o the_o head_n of_o the_o body_n to_o wit_n of_o the_o holy_a church_n of_o god_n but_o whatsoever_o the_o title_n be_v it_o be_v still_o sure_a enough_o it_o have_v the_o power_n and_o dignity_n of_o a_o patriarchate_n first_o by_o custom_n then_o by_o canon_n of_o two_o general_a counsel_n constantinople_n and_o chalcedon_n for_o i_o suppose_v the_o set_v it_o next_o and_o equal_a to_o rome_n and_o before_o antioch_n and_o alexandria_n 〈◊〉_d will_v amount_v to_o this_o also_o by_o that_o very_a novel_a of_o justinian_n where_o the_o privilege_n be_v confer_v on_o justiniana_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o archbishop_n of_o new_a rome_n constantinople_n have_v the_o next_o place_n after_o the_o apostolical_a see_v of_o old_a rome_n and_o the_o precedence_n of_o honour_n before_o all_o other_o and_o so_o much_o for_o the_o exception_n to_o the_o five_o chapter_n chap._n vi_o a_o answer_n to_o the_o exception_n make_v to_o the_o six_o chapter_n sect._n i._n the_o plea_n for_o the_o pope_n power_n from_o the_o conversion_n of_o england_n of_o acquire_v of_o right_n by_o two_o title_n num._n 1_o the_o plea_n from_o plantation_n which_o be_v consider_v in_o the_o six_o chapter_n he_o now_o proceed_v to_o in_o these_o word_n num._n 2_o in_o his_o six_o chapter_n he_o examine_v another_o title_n peculiar_a to_o england_n viz_o that_o our_o nation_n be_v convert_v by_o mission_n from_o rome_n 1_o and_o this_o be_v total_o beside_o the_o question_n for_o no_o man_n be_v so_o stupid_a as_o to_o pretend_v s._n peter_n or_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o have_v power_n over_o the_o universal_a church_n because_o his_o successor_n convert_v england_n but_o some_o pretend_v a_o special_a title_n of_o gratitude_n the_o violation_n of_o which_o aggravate_v the_o sin_n of_o schismatize_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o our_o nation_n yet_o no_o man_n as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v understand_v think_v this_o latter_a obligation_n of_o so_o high_a a_o nature_n as_o that_o for_o no_o occasion_n or_o never_o so_o great_a cause_n it_o may_v not_o be_v dispense_v with_o but_o only_o press_v it_o then_o when_o the_o benefit_n be_v slight_v or_o by_o colourable_a argument_n to_o the_o contrary_a unworthy_o avoid_v and_o yet_o this_o doctor_n quite_o mistake_v the_o question_n frame_v a_o argument_n 2._o as_o full_a of_o word_n as_o empty_v of_o matter_n affirm_v there_o can_v be_v two_o successive_a title_n to_o possession_n of_o the_o same_o thing_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o who_o claim_v a_o reward_n as_o of_o his_o own_o labour_n and_o travel_n must_v disclaim_v a_o donation_n etc._n etc._n if_o any_o pass_v before_o and_o that_o if_o a_o king_n have_v right_a by_o descent_n he_o can_v claim_v any_o thing_n by_o conquest_n by_o which_o you_o may_v see_v his_o understanding_n the_o law_n be_v not_o much_o more_o than_o his_o understanding_n of_o our_o principle_n num._n 3_o what_o this_o gentleman_n here_o premise_v that_o this_o plea_n from_o the_o conversion_n of_o this_o nation_n by_o mission_n from_o rome_n be_v not_o use_v by_o the_o romanist_n to_o prove_v we_o schismatics_n i_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o confute_v but_o shall_v from_o thence_o suppose_v that_o that_o six_o chapter_n may_v have_v be_v spare_v out_o of_o that_o little_a treatise_n and_o our_o church_n competent_o justify_v by_o the_o precedent_a chapter_n and_o then_o all_o that_o i_o shall_v need_v add_v be_v first_o that_o i_o hope_v what_o be_v by_o i_o add_v superfluous_o above_o the_o necessity_n of_o our_o cause_n will_v not_o destroy_v what_o be_v before_o say_v pertinent_o and_o then_o as_o i_o shall_v only_o have_v lose_v my_o pain_n and_o there_o be_v no_o far_o hurt_v do_v so_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v very_o unnecessary_a for_o this_o gentleman_n to_o adapt_v any_o far_a answer_n to_o that_o six_o chapter_n when_o he_o have_v once_o adjudge_v all_o that_o be_v there_o say_v to_o be_v total_o beside_o the_o question_n num._n 4_o second_o that_o if_o other_o have_v be_v as_o prudent_a as_o this_o gentleman_n i_o have_v certain_o spare_v that_o chapter_n it_o be_v no_o interest_n of_o i_o to_o invent_v plea_n for_o the_o romanist_n and_o although_o as_o this_o gentleman_n have_v please_v to_o set_v it_o it_o be_v a_o competent_a stupidity_n and_o that_o which_o i_o never_o think_v any_o romanist_n guilty_a of_o to_o make_v the_o conversion_n of_o england_n a_o plea_n to_o power_n over_o the_o universal_a church_n yet_o england_n and_o not_o the_o universal_a church_n be_v the_o subject_n of_o our_o question_n there_o be_v not_o quite_o so_o much_o stupidity_n in_o it_o to_o plead_v the_o pope_n power_n over_o england_n from_o the_o suppose_a conversion_n of_o england_n and_o certain_o i_o do_v not_o dream_v that_o some_o romanist_n have_v thus_o plead_v but_o as_o i_o say_v before_o if_o this_o gentleman_n will_v not_o insist_v on_o it_o neither_o shall_v i_o far_o importune_v he_o about_o it_o num._n 5_o for_o that_o of_o gratitude_n which_o he_o now_o mention_n only_o as_o a_o aggravation_n of_o the_o sin_n of_o schismatize_v which_o that_o we_o be_v guilty_a of_o he_o acknowledge_v must_v be_v prove_v by_o some_o other_o mean_n i_o yield_v to_o the_o force_n of_o it_o that_o it_o may_v just_o add_v a_o weight_n to_o the_o obligation_n which_o former_o lie_v upon_o we_o suppose_v any_o such_o there_o be_v but_o can_v lay_v a_o obligation_n to_o obedience_n where_o before_o it_o be_v not_o due_a much_o less_o be_v it_o due_a unto_o another_o all_o the_o benefit_n that_o can_v be_v heap_v on_o i_o by_o any_o man_n that_o give_v i_o not_o my_o be_v can_v oblige_v or_o engage_v my_o subjection_n to_o he_o without_o the_o intervenience_n of_o my_o own_o consent_n if_o i_o be_o perfect_o free_a to_o choose_v my_o sovereign_n and_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o my_o former_a sovereign_n if_o i_o have_v any_o num._n 6_o so_o that_o the_o whole_a question_n must_v be_v whether_o by_o any_o original_n right_a the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n have_v power_n over_o this_o kingdom_n and_o so_o whether_o by_o that_o our_o obedience_n be_v due_a to_o he_o for_o if_o it_o be_v than_o this_o gratitude_n be_v not_o the_o tenure_n but_o that_o other_o and_o if_o it_o be_v not_o then_o neither_o of_o the_o title_n be_v in_o force_n against_o we_o not_o the_o first_o which_o have_v no_o be_v nor_o the_o second_o which_o whatsoever_o it_o be_v oblige_v not_o to_o obedience_n num._n 7_o this_o i_o think_v be_v apparent_a by_o the_o instance_n of_o the_o several_a claim_n to_o a_o kingdom_n by_o descent_n and_o by_o conquest_n the_o one_o of_o which_o if_o it_o stand_v as_o the_o title_n supersede_v the_o other_o he_o that_o hold_v by_o inheritance_n can_v be_v proper_o say_v to_o hold_v by_o conquest_n even_o when_o it_o be_v true_a that_o he_o have_v conquer_v also_o for_o in_o that_o case_n when_o the_o right_a heir_n be_v force_v to_o make_v use_n of_o his_o sword_n to_o give_v he_o possession_n be_v successful_a and_o victorious_a in_o it_o all_o that_o his_o sword_n do_v be_v to_o give_v he_o possession_n not_o to_o give_v he_o right_n for_o that_o he_o have_v before_o by_o inheritance_n num._n 8_o
elizabeth_n reformation_n to_o which_o head_n of_o discourse_n it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o add_v the_o resolution_n of_o cudsemius_n the_o jesuit_n de_fw-fr desper_n calvini_n causà_fw-fr cap._n 11._o that_o the_o english_a nation_n be_v not_o heretic_n because_o they_o remain_v in_o a_o perpetual_a succession_n of_o bishop_n num._n 4_o which_o being_n the_o only_a thing_n that_o in_o that_o sect._n 16._o i_o purpose_v to_o conclude_v from_o mr._n mason_n work_n and_o the_o record_n by_o he_o produce_v it_o lie_v not_o on_o i_o to_o prove_v that_o they_o which_o ordain_v those_o queen_n eilzabeth-bishop_n give_v they_o order_n to_o preach_v the_o doctrine_n they_o after_o do_v or_o to_o examine_v the_o truth_n of_o his_o suggestion_n that_o this_o be_v the_o true_a meaning_n and_o effect_n of_o mission_n it_o may_v suffice_v that_o they_o which_o consecrate_v they_o give_v they_o the_o same_o power_n which_o themselves_o derive_v by_o succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o that_o be_v sufficient_a to_o authorise_v they_o to_o preach_v all_o apostolical_a doctrine_n and_o if_o they_o preach_v any_o other_o let_v it_o appear_v and_o i_o shall_v never_o justify_v their_o preach_n but_o that_o be_v not_o attempt_v here_o and_o therefore_o i_o have_v herein_o no_o far_o matter_n that_o exact_v reply_n from_o i_o num._n 5_o for_o as_o to_o his_o part_a blow_n which_o he_o can_v omit_v in_o reply_n to_o sect_n 20._o certain_o it_o have_v little_a impression_n on_o my_o discourse_n in_o that_o place_n which_o do_v not_o inquire_v what_o be_v unlawful_a or_o criminous_a universal_o for_o then_o sure_o i_o shall_v have_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o bring_n in_o turkism_n or_o violate_v fundamental_a point_n of_o religion_n have_v be_v such_o but_o peculiarly_a and_o precise_o this_o what_o be_v schism_n in_o that_o one_o notion_n of_o schism_n as_o that_o be_v a_o voluntary_a separation_n from_o our_o ecclesiastical_a superior_n of_o which_o that_o we_o be_v not_o or_o can_v be_v guilty_a when_o we_o act_v in_o perfect_a concord_n compliance_n and_o subordination_n to_o all_o those_o to_o who_o the_o right_a of_o superiority_n legal_o belong_v be_v i_o suppose_v so_o manifest_a that_o it_o can_v need_v no_o far_o proof_n num._n 6_o as_o for_o any_o such_o act_n of_o lawful_a superior_n in_o bring_v in_o turkism_n or_o violate_v fundamental_a point_n i_o shall_v not_o be_v apt_a to_o style_v that_o schism_n any_o more_o than_o i_o will_v call_v perjury_n lie_v or_o incest_n simple_a fornication_n it_o be_v in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o instance_n apostasy_n and_o total_a defection_n from_o christ_n which_o i_o hope_n be_v a_o little_a more_o than_o deny_v the_o pope_n universal_a pastorship_n or_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n in_o which_o consist_v his_o grand_a species_n of_o schism_n and_o in_o the_o second_o heresy_n and_o the_o gross_a sort_n of_o schism_n together_o that_o of_o depart_v from_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o faith_n which_o be_v by_o i_o chap._n 8._o distinct_o handle_v as_o a_o second_o species_n of_o schism_n all_o that_o i_o need_v here_o say_v to_o this_o gentleman_n exception_n be_v that_o i_o endeavour_v to_o speak_v as_o distinct_o and_o not_o as_o confuse_o as_o i_o can_v and_o therefore_o do_v not_o mix_v thing_n that_o be_v distant_a and_o therefore_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o that_o second_o kind_n of_o schism_n at_o the_o same_o time_n when_o i_o propose_v to_o speak_v of_o the_o first_o only_o and_o upon_o this_o account_n only_o say_v nothing_o to_o it_o in_o that_o chapter_n and_o i_o hope_v this_o be_v but_o my_o duty_n to_o do_v agreeable_o to_o all_o rule_n of_o method_n and_o so_o that_o he_o may_v very_o well_o have_v spare_v that_o animadversion_n which_o he_o say_v he_o can_v not_o end_v without_o nothing_o chap._n viii_o a_o answer_n to_o the_o exception_n make_v to_o the_o eight_o chapter_n sect._n i._n the_o division_n of_o schism_n a_o answer_n to_o many_o question_n about_o schism_n a_o retortion_n num._n 1_o in_o proceed_v to_o the_o view_n of_o chap._n 8._o this_o gentleman_n without_o any_o cause_n be_v please_v to_o change_v the_o division_n of_o the_o second_o sort_n of_o schism_n there_o handle_v into_o another_o which_o it_o seem_v be_v more_o suitable_a to_o his_o understanding_n and_o then_o to_o make_v two_o light_a skirmish_n against_o the_o discourse_n of_o that_o chapter_n he_o begin_v thus_o num._n 2_o in_o his_o 8_o chapter_n as_o far_o as_o i_o understand_v he_o divide_v schism_n into_o formal_a that_o be_v breach_n of_o unity_n and_o material_a that_o be_v breach_n of_o doctrine_n or_o custom_n in_o which_o the_o church_n be_v unite_v the_o former_a he_o branch_v into_o subordination_n to_o the_o pope_n 4._o of_o which_o enough_o have_v be_v say_v and_o breach_n of_o the_o way_n provide_v by_o christ_n for_o maintain_v the_o unity_n of_o faith_n the_o which_o he_o put_v in_o many_o subordination_n without_o any_o effect_n 5._o for_o let_v we_o ask_v if_o inferior_a clergyman_n dissent_v from_o their_o own_o bishop_n but_o not_o from_o their_o metropolitan_a in_o matter_n of_o faith_n be_v it_o schism_n he_o will_v answer_v no_o if_o a_o metropolitan_a dissent_n from_o his_o primate_n but_o agree_v with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o patriarch_n be_v it_o schism_n i_o think_v he_o must_v say_v no_o if_o a_o patriarch_n dissent_v from_o the_o first_o but_o agree_v with_o the_o rest_n be_v it_o schism_n no_o if_o a_o nation_n or_o a_o bishop_n dissent_v from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o general_n council_n be_v it_o schism_n still_o i_o believe_v he_o will_v answer_v no_o where_o then_o be_v schism_n provide_v against_o or_o where_o true_o be_v there_o any_o subordination_n in_o faith_n if_o none_o of_o these_o be_v subject_a and_o bind_v to_o their_o superior_n or_o universals_z in_o matter_n of_o faith_n num._n 3_o what_o my_o division_n there_o be_v will_v be_v obvious_a enough_o to_o any_o man_n understanding_n 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not_o to_o straighten_v the_o bound_n of_o this_o sort_n of_o schism_n or_o omit_v any_o thing_n that_o can_v by_o any_o rule_n of_o discourse_n be_v place_v in_o the_o border_n or_o confine_n of_o it_o by_o the_o mean_n either_o to_o lay_v charge_n on_o we_o or_o render_v our_o vindication_n the_o clear_a i_o distribute_v it_o into_o as_o many_o part_n as_o in_o my_o opinion_n the_o matter_n can_v by_o any_o be_v think_v to_o bear_v i._n e._n into_o three_o species_n 1._o a_o breach_n in_o the_o doctrine_n or_o tradition_n together_o with_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n his_o apostle_n and_o the_o primitive_a church_n whether_o in_o government_n or_o observance_n 2._o a_o offence_n against_o external_a peace_n or_o communion_n ecclesiastical_a 3._o the_o want_n of_o that_o charity_n which_o be_v due_a from_o every_o christian_a to_o every_o christian_a the_o first_o of_o these_o again_o subdivide_v and_o consider_v 1._o in_o the_o gross_a as_o it_o be_v a_o depart_n from_o the_o rule_v appoint_v by_o christ_n for_o the_o sound_n and_o uphold_v unity_n of_o doctrine_n etc._n etc._n 2._o in_o particular_a the_o assert_v of_o any_o particular_a doctrine_n contrary_a to_o christ_n and_o the_o apostolical_a pure_a church_n establishment_n num._n 4_o the_o scheme_n be_v thus_o lay_v as_o regular_a and_o as_o comprehensive_a as_o i_o can_v devise_v 1._o here_o be_v not_o one_o word_n say_v to_o express_v any_o cause_n of_o dislike_n or_o exception_n to_o it_o and_o yet_o 2._o it_o be_v quite_o lay_v aside_o and_o another_o of_o formal_a and_o material_a schism_n etc._n etc._n substitute_v instead_o of_o it_o upon_o what_o temptation_n or_o design_n save_v only_o a_o willingness_n to_o gain_v somewhat_o by_o the_o shuffle_n and_o confusion_n more_o than_o the_o distinctnesse_n of_o discourse_n can_v yield_v he_o i_o can_v divine_v num._n 5_o as_o it_o be_v i_o yet_o discern_v not_o
schismatic_a therefore_o the_o examination_n of_o the_o cause_n be_v unnecessary_a whatsoever_o can_v be_v pretend_v on_o that_o head_n be_v not_o worth_a the_o produce_v or_o hee_v in_o this_o matter_n num._n 4_o 2._o it_o be_v as_o evident_a how_o far_o the_o position_n itself_o be_v remove_v from_o be_v a_o contradiction_n which_o yet_o the_o romanist_n logic_n have_v pronounce_v to_o be_v a_o pure_a one_o a_o pure_a contradiction_n be_v in_o our_o logic_n est_fw-la and_o non_fw-la est_fw-la it_o be_v a_o schism_n and_o it_o be_v not_o a_o schism_n it_o be_v causeless_a and_o it_o be_v not_o causeless_a and_o the_o like_a but_o certain_o my_o conclude_v that_o no_o cause_n can_v justify_v a_o schism_n or_o if_o the_o schism_n be_v prove_v it_o be_v in_o vain_a to_o plead_v that_o we_o have_v cause_n for_o it_o contain_v no_o such_o contradictory_n enuntiation_n he_o that_o shall_v say_v that_o a_o seditious_a person_n or_o a_o rebel_n be_v worthy_a of_o death_n whatsoever_o cause_n it_o be_v that_o incite_v he_o to_o that_o villainy_n do_v neither_o affirm_v the_o rebel_n to_o be_v no_o rebel_n nor_o the_o cause_n he_o pretend_v to_o be_v no_o cause_n only_o he_o say_v indeed_o that_o whatsoever_o the_o cause_n be_v it_o be_v incompetent_a to_o justify_v so_o foul_a a_o fact_n num._n 5_o 3._o the_o proof_n which_o he_o add_v to_o conclude_v this_o position_n to_o be_v a_o pure_a contradiction_n be_v very_o far_o from_o prove_v it_o the_o proof_n be_v this_o for_o say_v he_o not_o a_o division_n but_o a_o causeless_a division_n be_v a_o schism_n but_o this_o have_v be_v show_v to_o have_v no_o truth_n in_o it_o because_o division_n and_o schism_n be_v exact_o the_o same_o one_o a_o latin_a the_o other_o a_o greek_a word_n every_o division_n be_v and_o must_v necessary_o be_v in_o he_o who_o be_v guilty_a of_o it_o a_o schism_n and_o if_o a_o voluntary_a division_n a_o criminous_a schism_n whatsoever_o be_v the_o motive_n or_o cause_n of_o it_o by_o division_n or_o schism_n understanding_n as_o i_o declare_v myself_o to_o do_v a_o spontaneous_a recede_a or_o divide_v from_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n not_o be_v cut_v off_o or_o drive_v from_o it_o num._n 6_o last_o what_o he_o add_v as_o a_o consectary_n of_o his_o proof_n that_o he_o do_v not_o understand_v how_o a_o division_n can_v be_v show_v unreasonable_a and_o causeless_a without_o examine_v the_o occasion_n and_o motive_n he_o may_v now_o if_o he_o please_v without_o much_o difficulty_n comprehend_v viz._n by_o consider_v that_o no_o cause_n or_o reason_n how_o weighty_a soever_o be_v sufficient_a to_o justify_v a_o division_n for_o as_o long_o as_o this_o be_v either_o prove_v or_o grant_v the_o conclusion_n will_v be_v indubitable_a without_o examine_v of_o the_o motive_n that_o the_o division_n be_v unreasonable_a and_o causeless_a let_v it_o once_o be_v grant_v or_o prove_v by_o the_o know_a law_n of_o a_o nation_n that_o every_o act_n of_o sedition_n be_v a_o transgression_n of_o law_n criminous_a and_o punishable_a whatsoever_o the_o motive_n be_v that_o incite_v it_o and_o then_o there_o will_v need_v no_o more_o than_o conviction_n of_o the_o fact_n to_o conclude_v that_o fact_n unreasonable_a that_o which_o be_v in_o itself_o so_o culpable_a and_o inexcusable_a that_o no_o reason_n whatsoever_o can_v be_v able_a to_o justify_v it_o be_v ready_a for_o the_o sentence_n of_o condemnation_n without_o far_a process_n when_o it_o be_v reasonable_o resolve_v that_o no_o reason_n can_v excuse_v such_o a_o fact_n what_o reason_n can_v there_o be_v to_o lose_v time_n in_o examine_v reason_n this_o be_v the_o very_a case_n in_o hand_n as_o it_o be_v apparent_a to_o any_o that_o will_v but_o view_v the_o place_n and_o it_o be_v not_o much_o for_o my_o encouragement_n in_o this_o task_n that_o the_o gentleman_n to_o who_o i_o must_v reply_v be_v willing_a to_o think_v this_o so_o deep_a a_o riddle_n so_o much_o above_o common_a understanding_n num._n 7_o i_o shall_v here_o only_o add_v that_o what_o be_v thus_o say_v be_v not_o in_o reason_n to_o provoke_v the_o romanist_n be_v a_o concession_n that_o cut_v i_o off_o from_o many_o visible_a advantage_n and_o so_o deserve_v his_o reward_n much_o better_a than_o rebuke_n and_o be_v thus_o early_o and_o unexpected_o fall_v under_o his_o short_a displeasure_n by_o my_o endeavour_n to_o oblige_v he_o i_o have_v yet_o a_o shield_n which_o promise_v i_o security_n from_o the_o continuance_n of_o it_o i_o mean_v not_o the_o evidence_n of_o the_o truth_n affirm_v by_o i_o for_o that_o be_v not_o a_o amulet_n always_o to_o be_v depend_v on_o when_o it_o be_v against_o interest_n to_o acknowledge_v it_o but_o the_o suffrage_n of_o his_o own_o great_a champion_n master_n knot_n who_o have_v direct_o affirm_v what_o i_o affirm_v and_o therefore_o i_o may_v be_v allow_v not_o to_o understand_v how_o this_o shall_v be_v so_o unintelligible_a cite_v it_o out_o of_o saint_n augustine_n that_o there_o be_v no_o just_a necessity_n to_o divide_v unity_n and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o any_o man_n have_v just_a cause_n to_o separate_v infideli_fw-la unmask_v cap._n 7._o num_fw-la 5._o and_o so_o it_o be_v as_o manifest_v that_o this_o part_n of_o the_o first_o chapter_n be_v common_a to_o both_o as_o the_o former_a of_o which_o he_o affirm_v it_o the_o conclusion_n in_o all_o reason_n be_v involve_v in_o the_o same_o condition_n which_o belong_v to_o the_o praemise_n and_o it_o be_v only_o my_o ill_a luck_n or_o his_o willingness_n to_o find_v fault_n that_o it_o be_v not_o former_o apprehend_v to_o be_v so_o chap._n ii_o concern_v heresy_n excommunication_n infallibility_n sect._n i._n of_o pass_v slight_o over_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o heresy_n and_o schism_n num_fw-la 1_o the_o exception_n to_o the_o second_o chapter_n be_v three_o the_o first_o concern_v heresy_n the_o second_o concern_v excommunication_n the_o three_o concern_v master_n knot_n concession_n which_o usher_v in_o a_o discourse_n of_o infallibility_n num._n 2_o the_o former_a in_o these_o word_n he_o slight_o pass_v over_o the_o distinction_n of_o heresy_n and_o schism_n as_o if_o he_o will_v not_o have_v it_o understand_v that_o all_o heresy_n be_v schism_n though_o some_o schism_n be_v no_o heresy_n num._n 3_o what_o be_v here_o call_v the_o slight_a pass_v over_o the_o distinction_n of_o heresy_n and_o schism_n be_v one_o piece_n of_o injustice_n in_o he_o and_o the_o cause_n to_o which_o it_o be_v affix_v my_o unwillingness_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v understand_v that_o all_o heresy_n be_v schism_n will_v soon_o appear_v to_o be_v another_o num._n 4_o for_o the_o first_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o in_o that_o sect._n 3._o of_o chap._n 2._o i_o do_v not_o at_o all_o consider_v the_o distinction_n of_o heresy_n and_o schism_n nor_o can_v without_o absolute_a interruption_n and_o disturbance_n of_o the_o discourse_n in_o hand_n &_o direct_a transgression_n of_o all_o rule_n of_o method_n say_v any_o thing_n to_o that_o subject_n in_o that_o place_n the_o thing_n that_o i_o there_o manifest_a be_v the_o difference_n betwixt_o excommunication_n and_o schism_n and_o sure_o that_o be_v not_o heresy_n and_o schism_n unless_o excommunication_n be_v heresy_n and_o so_o the_o punishment_n of_o the_o sin_n be_v the_o sin_n itself_o between_o the_o passive_a and_o the_o active_a or_o reciprocal_a division_n or_o separation_n and_o all_o that_o i_o say_v in_o that_o section_n which_o can_v relate_v to_o heresy_n be_v that_o where_o the_o offence_n for_o which_o a_o man_n be_v excommunicate_v be_v heresy_n and_o not_o schism_n there_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o his_o excommunication_n which_o still_o be_v his_o punishment_n and_o not_o his_o sin_n the_o cause_n of_o it_o also_o be_v not_o schism_n but_o somewhat_o else_o heresy_n or_o the_o like_a can_v be_v the_o guilt_n of_o schism_n in_o he_o that_o be_v so_o punish_v num._n 5_o now_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o i_o can_v be_v say_v to_o pass_v over_o that_o slight_o which_o i_o do_v not_o speak_v to_o at_o all_o and_o to_o which_o i_o have_v no_o occasion_n to_o speak_v and_o consequent_o that_o i_o be_v no_o way_n liable_a to_o this_o exception_n num._n 6_o and_o that_o be_v say_v the_o second_o part_n of_o the_o same_o exception_n that_o of_o the_o ground_n on_o which_o i_o do_v this_o must_v needs_o be_v as_o causeless_a as_o the_o former_a for_o 1._o it_o be_v certain_a that_o my_o thought_n or_o wish_n or_o design_n be_v not_o thing_n which_o can_v due_o fall_v under_o this_o objecter_n cognizance_n he_o can_v upon_o any_o sure_a ground_n divine_a or_o affirm_v what_o i_o aim_v at_o in_o such_o or_o such_o a_o slight_a passage_n and_o 2._o it_o be_v yet_o more_o certain_a that_o no_o collection_n can_v just_o
be_v deceive_v and_o there_o i_o acknowledge_v infallibility_n upon_o this_o ground_n whether_o of_o nature_n or_o of_o grace_n of_o common_a dictate_v or_o of_o religion_n that_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o god_n to_o lie_v to_o deceive_v or_o to_o be_v deceive_v but_o that_o the_o whole_a canon_n of_o scripture_n as_o it_o be_v deliver_v to_o we_o by_o the_o laodicean_n council_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n though_o i_o full_o believe_v this_o also_o and_o have_v not_o the_o least_o doubt_n to_o any_o part_n of_o it_o yet_o i_o account_v not_o myself_o infallible_a in_o this_o belief_n nor_o can_v any_o church_n that_o affirm_v the_o same_o unless_o they_o be_v otherwise_o privilege_v by_o god_n be_v infallible_a in_o affirm_v it_o nor_o any_o that_o believe_v that_o church_n be_v infallible_a in_o their_o belief_n and_o as_o that_o privilege_n be_v not_o yet_o prove_v by_o any_o donation_n of_o god_n to_o belong_v to_o any_o church_n particular_o to_o the_o roman_a so_o till_o it_o be_v prove_v and_o prove_v infallible_o it_o can_v be_v no_o competent_a medium_n to_o induce_v any_o new_a act_n of_o infallible_a belief_n the_o want_n of_o which_o may_v denominate_v we_o either_o heretic_n or_o schismatics_n num._n 40_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n this_o be_v certain_a that_o i_o that_o do_v not_o pretend_v to_o believe_v any_o thing_n infallible_o in_o this_o matter_n not_o so_o much_o as_o that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o infallible_a must_v yet_o be_v acknowledge_v to_o believe_v her_o fallible_a or_o else_o i_o can_v not_o by_o this_o gentleman_n be_v adjudge_v a_o schismatic_a for_o so_o believe_v and_o then_o this_o suppose_v that_o i_o may_v believe_v what_o in_o his_o opinion_n i_o believe_v untrue_o that_o sure_o be_v that_o i_o may_v believe_v what_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v infallible_o the_o matter_n be_v visible_a i_o can_v think_v fit_a to_o enlarge_v on_o it_o num._n 41_o one_o thing_n only_o i_o must_v far_o take_v notice_n of_o the_o ground_n which_o he_o here_o have_v on_o which_o he_o find_v his_o exception_n against_o the_o solidity_n of_o my_o discourse_n call_v it_o my_o great_a evidence_n that_o we_o that_o do_v not_o acknowledge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v infallible_a may_v be_v allow_v to_o make_v certain_a supposition_n that_o follow_v there_o num._n 42_o the_o matter_n in_o that_o place_n chap._n ii_o sect._n 12._o lie_n thus_o in_o examine_v the_o nature_n of_o schism_n i_o have_v occasion_n to_o mention_v one_o not_o real_a but_o fiction_n of_o case_n suppose_v first_o that_o our_o ancestor_n have_v criminous_o separate_v from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o suppose_v second_o that_o we_o their_o posterity_n repent_v and_o desire_v to_o reform_v their_o sin_n and_o to_o be_v reunite_v to_o they_o yet_o suppose_v three_o that_o they_o shall_v require_v to_o our_o reunion_n any_o condition_n which_o be_v unlawful_a for_o we_o to_o perform_v in_o this_o conjuncture_n i_o say_v we_o can_v not_o just_o 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