point_n of_o doctrine_n the_o great_a papist_n in_o the_o world_n agree_v with_o us._n perswas_n page_n 11._o these_o be_v my_o word_n i_o deny_v they_o not_o moreover_o i_o do_v instance_n in_o these_o fundamental_a point_n wherein_o they_o consent_v with_o we_o and_o thereupon_o i_o infer_v that_o they_o do_v rash_o condemn_v we_o for_o heretic_n what_o then_o follow_v will_v he_o therefore_o infer_v that_o either_o hold_v the_o fundamental_a point_n therefore_o their_o superstition_n and_o error_n may_v safe_o be_v maintain_v or_o that_o therefore_o they_o may_v be_v just_o excuse_v for_o not_o communicate_v with_o we_o as_o if_o their_o consent_n with_o we_o in_o fundamental_a point_n shall_v be_v a_o cause_n why_o they_o shall_v the_o rather_o abhor_v our_o church_n &_o religion_n it_o be_v a_o sufficient_a prejudice_n to_o the_o cause_n of_o their_o religion_n that_o they_o dispute_v in_o such_o loose_a manner_n again_o he_o say_v so_o doctor_n dove_n in_o his_o whole_a 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