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A03883 A treatise concerning the ground of faith. VVritten in Latin, by the reuerend Father Iames Gordon Huntley of Scotland, Doctour of Diuinity, of the Society of Iesus. And translated into English, by I.L. of the same Society. The second part of the second controuersy; Controversiarum epitomes. English. Selections Gordon, James, 1541-1620.; Wright, William, 1563-1639. 1614 (1614) STC 13997A; ESTC S118149 27,760 72

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unto_o edification_n and_o not_o unto_o destruction_n 19_o six_o the_o church_n absolve_v bind_v and_o retain_v sin_n excommunicate_v 23._o as_o the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v express_o testify_v and_o our_o adversary_n do_v also_o confess_v all_o which_o act_n belong_v unto_o judge_n but_o the_o scripture_n do_v none_o of_o they_o 20._o the_o second_o argument_n the_o holy_a scripture_n express_o affirm_v that_o the_o church_n do_v sometime_o judge_v 5._o i_o indeed_o absent_a in_o body_n but_o present_a in_o spirit_n have_v already_o judge_v at_o present_v he_o that_o have_v so_o do_v in_o the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n you_o be_v gather_v together_o and_o my_o spirit_n with_o the_o virtue_n of_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n to_o deliver_v such_o a_o one_o to_o sathàn_v and_o a_o little_a after_o do_v not_o you_o judge_v 〈◊〉_d of_o they_o that_o be_v within_o where_o the_o apostle_n plain_o say_v that_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n judge_v those_o which_o be_v 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