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scripture_n we_o may_v as_o well_o appeal_v from_o that_o of_o trent_n if_o they_o will_v urge_v it_o he_o say_v st._n austin_n in_o vain_a have_v insist_v upon_o the_o nicene_n council_n against_o one_o who_o scoff_v at_o it_o ans_fw-fr i_o think_v if_o i_o may_v say_v so_o this_o be_v not_o very_o judicious_o speak_v because_o if_o maximinus_n urge_v the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n he_o be_v bind_v by_o equal_a law_n to_o be_v deal_v with_o by_o the_o nicene_n council_n if_o maximinus_n have_v not_o urge_v the_o council_n of_o ariminum_n it_o have_v seem_v that_o the_o arrian_n have_v not_o a_o persuasion_n that_o this_o controversy_n shall_v be_v otherwise_o handle_v then_o by_o scripture_n and_o if_o he_o be_v well_o furnish_v with_o other_o argument_n out_o of_o scripture_n admit_v by_o he_o as_o he_o it_o seem_v suppose_v that_o he_o may_v be_v what_o need_v then_o of_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n in_o council_n and_o it_o seem_v it_o be_v the_o short_a way_n and_o 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yield_n of_o the_o cause_n and_o yet_o if_o they_o will_v yet_o think_v council_n as_o such_o to_o be_v infallible_a let_v they_o think_v upon_o that_o canon_n of_o nice_a declare_v equal_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o bishop_n of_o alexandria_n to_o rome_n and_o let_v they_o think_v of_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n and_o the_o council_n of_o constantinople_n that_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n shall_v be_v equal_a in_o his_o limit_n to_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n the_o council_n of_o ephesus_n in_o their_o epistle_n to_o nestorius_n that_o peter_n and_o john_n be_v of_o equal_a dignity_n let_v they_o therefore_o consider_v well_o what_o they_o have_v to_o do_v for_o if_o council_n be_v not_o infallible_a they_o be_v in_o a_o error_n if_o council_n be_v infallible_a they_o be_v not_o because_o they_o have_v declare_v against_o they_o let_v they_o therefore_o stand_v on_o fall_n by_o scripture_n let_v they_o try_v it_o so_o as_o st._n austin_n do_v 29._o n._n 29._o his_o discourse_n herein_o be_v full_o put_v into_o this_o form_n all_o error_n in_o or_o against_o thing_n necessary_a be_v plain_o determine_v by_o scripture_n this_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o plain_o determine_v against_o by_o scripture_n therefore_o but_o therefore_o what_o that_o this_o be_v no_o error_n nay_o that_o be_v not_o right_o conclude_v but_o that_o it_o be_v not_o a_o error_n in_o thing_n necessary_a all_o error_n be_v not_o in_o thing_n necessary_a therefore_o if_o it_o conclude_v as_o it_o shall_v it_o be_v peccant_a in_o the_o ignorance_n of_o the_o elench_v for_o it_o be_v enough_o to_o we_o that_o it_o be_v a_o error_n suppose_v it_o be_v not_o a_o error_n in_o thing_n necessary_a if_o it_o conclude_v that_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o error_n it_o conclude_v false_o 2._o though_o the_o proposition_n be_v our_o doctrine_n the_o assumption_n suppose_v that_o which_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o be_v grant_v by_o we_o that_o this_o 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in_o the_o window_n or_o wall_n of_o church_n 1046._o council_n nicen._n 2._o act_n 4._o council_n constant_n quartum_fw-la decrevit_fw-la cundem_fw-la imaginum_fw-la cultum_fw-la edit_fw-la bin._n tom._n 7._o p._n 1046._o what_o be_v the_o object_n of_o adoration_n and_o so_o much_o the_o rather_o will_v he_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v a_o error_n because_o the_o second_o nicene_n general_a council_n decree_v that_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v and_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n to_o all_o that_o doubt_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o error_n in_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n pudendo_fw-la council_n chalced._n act._n 15._o can_v 28._o qui_fw-fr canon_n genuinus_fw-la est_fw-la non_fw-la obstante_fw-la bâ—nii_fw-la subterfugio_fw-la pudendo_fw-la to_o decree_n unto_o the_o bishop_n of_o constantinople_n even_o in_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a a_o equality_n of_o privilege_n with_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n or_o do_v he_o not_o think_v it_o be_v a_o 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at_o constance_n for_o seat_v a_o council_n above_o a_o pope_n or_o be_v it_o not_o think_v by_o mr_n cressy_n that_o this_o florentine_a council_n be_v in_o a_o error_n in_o grant_v the_o roman_a church_n a_o power_n of_o add_v to_o the_o creed_n which_o the_o general_a council_n of_o chalcedon_n have_v forbid_v to_o be_v do_v under_o the_o penalty_n of_o a_o curse_n as_o be_v 593._o be_v ibid._n sess_n 5._o p._n 593._o observe_v and_o urge_v by_o pope_n vigilius_n himself_o to_o eutychius_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n let_v mr._n cressy_n but_o compare_v the_o six_o general_n council_n who_o famous_a canon_n be_v make_v in_o trullo_n with_o the_o tridentine_a canon_n and_o the_o general_n practice_n of_o his_o church_n and_o sure_o i_o be_o he_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o have_v foul_o err_v it_o be_v decree_v in_o the_o six_o 326._o six_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n conc._n constant_n iii_o can._n 13._o to._n 5._o p._n 326._o edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 5._o p._n 326._o that_o marry_a man_n without_o scruple_n shall_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o priesthood_n and_o this_o without_o any_o condition_n of_o abstain_v thence-forwards_a from_o cohabitation_n lest_o man_n shall_v seem_v to_o offer_v contumely_n unto_o god_n holy_a institution_n yea_o which_o be_v most_o to_o be_v observe_v this_o be_v a_o canon_n make_v profess_o 326._o profess_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 325_o 326._o against_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whereunto_o be_v confront_v the_o ancient_a canon_n which_o be_v there_o say_v to_o be_v of_o apostolical_a perfection_n here_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v condemn_v by_o a_o council_n which_o be_v own_v to_o be_v general_n by_o the_o same_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v also_o condemn_v by_o the_o same_o 338._o same_o ibid._n p._n 338._o 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