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A13774	The true copy of tvvo letters, with their seuerall answeres, contayning the late apostasie of the Earle of Lauall, after his returne from Italy VVherein the principall poynts in controuersie with the papists, are learnedly and fully confuted. By D. Tilenus. Faythfully translated by D.D.S.	Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633.; Coligny, Guy Paul de, 1555-1586, attributed name.; D. D. S.; Laval, Antoine de, 1550-1631, attributed name.	1605 (1605)	STC 24072; ESTC S118417	23,042	42

of a certaine Lady and hauing beside entertayned the Nunnes of the Couent The Romance Beare ought to be some other thing beside then a simple shorne Munke Your second demaund is touching the 4. first general Councils to wit If we hold for certaine that which was there treated and resolued I answer that those points cōcerne either the doctrine or policy of the Church those then be collected in the Symboles composed in the said Councils and wee hold them for true so farre as they are agreeing to the holy Scriptures In this here we will vse the liberty which Bellarmine takes after the maner of Pope Gelasus saying That in the Councill of Calcedon there is something good something euil and that wee may receiue the one refuse the other and in another place he dispenseth with himselfe to reproue in the same maner the Council of Constantinople for hauing attempted somewhat that did not please the Church of Rome Behold then how he handles these two of the first 4. generall Councils for the rest iudge if ye please which is most reasonable to submit themselues to the Coūcils because the Pope doth approue them who maintaines himselfe to be aboue thē or because the Councils haue submitted themselues to the word of GOD the one which is taught in the Church of Rome the other in our Church The third question is Concerning the sending of the Ministers if it be necessarie for them and of whom Caluin had it I answer that it is necessary and that Caluin had it of the Church of Geneua of Farel his predecessor who had also his of the people of Geneua who had right and authority to institute depose Ministers for so declareth S. Ciprian saying that the people obeying to the commaundements of God should separate themselues from a wicked guide and not to meddle with the sacrifices of any sacrilegious Priest cōsidering that the said people haue chiefe authority to make choyce of worthy persons to reiect the vnworthy This was so practised by the people of Geneua and in diuers other parts of Europe where in these latter times they did forsake those sacrilegious Priests and sacrifices of the Pope for to establish faithful Ministers proclaimers of the gospel And to be short the reformed Churches had their calling sending partly from God and partly frō their people and partly from the Church of Rome from God as the chiefe cause from the people as by lawful instrument frō the Church of Rome as by a corrupt instrument God gaue the essence and the forme interiour to this sending the reformed Church gaue the testimonies approbations and the exteriour forme the Church of Rome hath added thereto abuses and corruptions which our succeeding Ministers haue renounced The fourth question is touching the interpretation and vnderstanding of the Scriptures to wit If euery one be capable of the vnderstanding of it interpreting it by it selfe I answere that if by this capacity ye meane a natural faculty of man by the vnderstanding a knowledge to saluation so far off is it that euery one is capable to the vnderstāding therof or to purchase this intelligence by his study trauels but rather herein all be naturally blind and foolish and it is necessarily requisit that which our Sauiour Christ did to his Apostles opening their vnderstandings to conceaue the Scriptures should be done to all them which desire to vnderstand them wholsomely for as the bodily light cannot be receiued but by eyes corporall that be open euen so the spiritual light of the Scriptures cannot be seene but by the spiritual eyes of faith which God opens to his own elect in giuing them so much thereof as is necessary for them to saluation in doing whereof he works oftentimes by degrees as he did with the blind man spoken of in the Gospel whom he lightned by little Whosoeuer be the meanest of the world vnderstand these passages which defend the bowing downe before Images who commaund to giue the cuppe of the Lord to all which beare also that this is the docttine of deuils for to forbid mariage and the vse of certain meats c. The Gospel is not hid but to those who perish and whom the God of this world hath blinded This sayes S. Paul The fift demaund is touching the confuting of heresies to wit If that we hold them not for well and iustly confuted I answere that these heresies refuted by the word of God or as S. Athanasius saith stoned by arguments taken out of the holy Scripture are well iustly conuinced for this is one of the vses wherefore it was giuen by heauenly inspiration neither hold we that for refuted or ouercome which is onely done by the witnesses of man and by the authority of the Pope who doth not condemne heresies but in seeming to bee an enemy to them to the end the better he may establish his owne as did Zophyrus that by such slights wonne Babylon The most ordinary and common argument of the Pope for to refute heresies is by the fagot the hand of the hangman according to the Logick of the Inquisition of Spayne and the practise of the Iesuites their Apostles in the New found world against the poore Pagans notwithstanding that the scholasticke diuines maintaine that the Infideis ought not in any case to beforced to receiue the faith yea not after ye haue ouercome them in warre and made them slaues But in this there appeares to vs yet one of the conformities of the pretended Vicar of Iesus Christ with his master the cōmission which the one giues to his Apostles beares this Go ye teach all nations c. That which the other giues to his is Go kill massacre poyson all people who will not obey me Now followes the sixt question Of the authority of the Fathers The opinion of the Church of Rome is diuers vpon this poynt There be that hold that all the writings of the Fathers be true and authenticke and it behoueth to maintayne all their opinions to be true euen to the last iote This is it which the glosse sayes vp on the decree authenticke in the Church of Rome without teaching of vs how we may obserue this ordinance when the opinions of the Fathers bee contrary one to another The more modest best aduised saies they should be esteemed for Historians and witnesses of matters of their time We say that in regard of the questions of right that bee in controuersy the Fathers haue bene and should be esteemed for disciples of the trueth and not for Masters knowing in a part and prophesying in a part and that they haue not comprehended the whole trueth but only according to the measure of the grace of Iesus Christ we esteem them for Instruments of God where they haue spoken the truth but where they haue a little erred in going out of the right way we