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A77435 A briefe examination; of a certaine pamphlet lately printed in Scotland, and intituled: Ladensium autocatacrisis, &c. 1644 (1644) Wing B4591; Thomason E47_7; ESTC R21801 34,566 57

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or I believe any man else It were a great folly for me to misreport or dissemble in things so publike and notorious as these 19. Much adoe you make about Chounes Booke where you begin with the License but mistake the Licenser whence I hope we may conclude you are over-apt to trust flying Report For had you used ocular inspection here we cannot but think you can read a printed Name Touching the Booke it selfe very eager you are to stretch all to the worst For he saith not Fides Resipiscentia Perseverantia Faith Repentance Perseverance are the Causes of Salvation as you alledge but Fidei Resipiscentiae Perseverantiae recta quae est ex Deo Ordinatio Kenne you no difference here betwixt mans act in believing repenting and persevering and Gods 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in ordaining faith repentance and perseverance to be the meanes of salvation But a dangerous matter it is to fall into the hands of a Man that is resolved to make the worst of every thing he meets with You tell us farther D. Bastwick in the Face of the Starre-Chamber charged my Lord of Canterbury with this Booke That he did not neither in the High Commission somewhat hee wrangled about Fundamentalls which truly was not worth the writing into Scotland But more than all this It wounds you say the Kings Monarchick Government at the very heart and transferres from the Crowne to the Miter one of its fairest Diamonds which the King and His Father before him did ever love most dearely You cite not the Words nor the place but in your Chapter of Tyrannie we cannot misse it sure There he is alleaged to say that * P. 113. Kings and Princes are accompted sonnes of the Church That Bishops make Canons which yet have their Vivacity or Act of life from Kings as the Heads This is all in effect he saith there I wonder much what designe M. Choune a Lay-Gentleman should have to transferre from the Crowne to the Miter this faire Diamond Supremacie in Causes Ecclesiasticall for that is it you meane And I wonder more to finde you so jealous of it But be content good Sir neither M. Choune nor the Bishops intend any such theft In the meane while Rom. 2.21 thou that teachest a man should not steale dost thou steale Doe not you with open face rob the Crowne of this Diamond and transferre it to your Ecclesiasticke Assemblies f Parall 4. Lysimachus Nicanor sayes you doe And in your Postscript-answer to him here durst you deny it so much as in one syllable Are you not faine to conclude the point with him thus Our Prince is very well content from the Generall Assembly the highest Ecclesiasticke Court should come no appeale at all to him Belike from other Sessions and Presbyteries lies Appeale thither but there you are at the top 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Looke no higher then though sure the top is ever the Kings by right Obediunt simul regnant saith Choune Princes obey the Church but rule and governe it withall but with you it is simply obediunt nay g Synodo intersint non ut regnent sed ut serviant c. Bez. conf c. 5. art 15. serviunt by no meanes regnant You may make Acts censure depose excommunicate and no Appeale lies from you Indeed you slide it over with a mannerly expression our Prince is very well content c. but should the Bishops build up such an independent Supremacie and be questioned for it would it suffice for them to answer Our Prince is very well content That personate Iesuite as you call him objects you deny Kings Power to convocate Assemblies whereto you answer * Postscr p. 14 he knowes the contrary that you give to all Christian Soveraignes so much interest in affaires of the Church as to convocate Assemblies when and where they please but withall you hold indeed that without them you may convocate your selves in some case So tender you are of preserving in the Crowne that faire Diamond And so much you indigne at Choune though very innocent thereof that hee should transferre it to the Miter the fault is he did not indeed transferre it to the Presbytery Where bee it knowne That Ecclesiastick power is not to bee lessened by the expulsion of Bishops now it is jurisdiction but then it shall bee discipline 21. In your third Chapter you * P. 31. taxe my Lord of Canterbury for promoving Master Duries Negotiation with the Churches beyond Sea This Durie is a Scottish Minister that hath much pained himselfe travelling up and downe Germany to solicit an Vnion betwixt the Churches of the Augustan confession and the rest My Lord of Canterbury found his Predecessour Archbishop Abbot imbarqued in this designe and thereupon inclined the rather to give encouragement to it but ever kept himselfe within the bounds which his Predecessour had set Now if this be a fault there be many partakers For wee are made beleeve few Ambassadours or Agents in those parts few Doctours or Professors of their Vniversities that have not intermedled more or lesse to promove this action But after all I doubt you need not much feare the successe A synctetisme you say all good men did ever pant for but not a full peace I suppose you meane they should combine against the common enemy but still keepe at oddes amongst themselves Yet a syncretisme being not every daies Word you might have done well to explaine your selfe better and the rather because the Cretians had an ill name you know for cheating and cozening that possibly 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may bee taken in a vicious sense to pack together for mischiefe And I thinke Beza uses it so in an Epistle of his to Bishop Grindall Quis porrò fuerit quorundam nuper adversus omnes harum Partium ac proinde etiam adversus Gallicas vestras quoque Ecclesias quas omnes nobiscum in omnibus doctriae capitibus consentire arbitramur conatus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 jam pridem ad vos usque perlatum esse Opinor Conatus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I hope this is not the syncretisme you have long panted for But a syncretisme you would have not a full peace though otherwise a man very peaceably minded Now wee in England are taught to pray thus That God would inspire continually his universall Church with the spirit of truth unity and concord and grant that not onely These and Those but even all they that confesse his holy name may agree in the truth of his holy word and live in unity and godly love 22. And thus much of Fact now to matter of Doctrine or Opinion wherein all that is objected will be found as hitherto it hath been lighter then vanity it selfe But when such things as these are printed with Licence and informed of as matters of very great consequence wee trust it will bee excused if wee lose a little time to give some answer at least to