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A17962 A treatise, vvritten by M. doctor Carier, vvherein hee layeth downe sundry learned and pithy considerations by which he was moued, to forsake the Protestant congregation, and to betake himselfe to the Catholke Apostolike Roman Church. Agreeing verbatim with the written copye, addressed by the sayd doctor to the King his most excellent Maiestie. Carier, Benjamin, 1566-1614. 1614 (1614) STC 4623.5; ESTC S115898 33,947 58

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which hath not yet bin iudicially condemned by the Church of Rome They all seemed to abhorre the fact as much as the best subiects in the world and much more to fauour and defend the authoritie of their Kings and Princes then the Heretikes doe And they said that althoug your Maiestie were out of the Church yet they doubted not but if complaint were made in a iudicial proceeding that fact should be iudicially condemned In the meane time it was sufficient that all Catholike writers did condemne it and that the Pope by his Breue had condemned it exhorting the Catholikes of England to all Christian patience and obedience As for any other authority or superiority of the Pope then such as is spirituall and necessary for the vnitie of the Church I haue met with none that doe stand vpon it 14 So that whereas my hope was that by finding out the corruptions of the Church of Rome I should grow farther in loue with the Church of England and ioyfully returne home and by inueighing against the Papists both enioy my present preferments and obtaine more and more I saw the matter was like to fall out cleane contrary It is true indeed that there are many corruptions in all States God hath no Wheat-field in this world wherein the Diuell hath no Tares growing and there are no Tares more ranck then those that grow among the Wheat For optimi corruptio pessima and where grace aboundeth if it be cōtemned there sin aboundeth much more But seeing both my reading experience hath now taught me that the truth of Christian Religion taught and practised at this day in the Church of Rome and all the obedient members thereof is the very same in substance which was prefigured and prophesied from the beginning of the world perfected by Christ himselfe deliuered to his Apostles and by them and their Successors perpetually and vniuersally in one vniformity practized vntill this day without any substantiall alteration And that the new Religion of England wherin it doth differ hath no ground but either the pleasure of the Prince and Parliament or the common cry and voice of the People nor no constancy or agreement with it selfe what should I now doe It is not in my power not to know that which I doe know nor to doubt of that which I haue spent so much time and taken so much paines and bestowed so much cost and made so many trials to find And yet I know if I should yeeld to be reconciled to the Church I should be for this world in all likelihood vtterly vndone and that which grieued me more I should be reiected of your Maiesty my most redoubted Lord and Master and despised by all my deare friends and louers in England 15 These were my thoughts at the Spaw which did so vex and afflict my soule as that the waters could doe my bodie no good at all but rather much hurt Neuerthelesse I auoided the company of Catholikes abstained from the Church and did both dispute write against the Church of Rome as occasion was offred I still hoped that time would giue me better counsell and therefore resolued to goe from the Spaw to Heidelberg to doe my duty there In the mean time I thought with my selfe It may be God hath moued his Maiesties heart to think of peace and reconciliation I know his disposition was so in the beginning and I remember Master CAVSABON tould me when I brought him out of France that his errand was nothing else but to mediate peace betweene the Church of Rome and the Church of England Therefore I thought before I would submit my selfe to the Church of Rome I would write vnto Master CAVSABON such a letter as he might shew vnto your Maiestie containing such conditions as I thought might satisfie your Maiesty if they were performed by the Church of Rome The copy of which letter is too long heere to set downe But when Master CAVSABON answered me that he knew your Maiesty was resolued to haue no society with the Church of Rome vpon any condition whatsoeuer and that it would be my vndoing if those my letters should come to your Maiesties hands or of those that bare the sway I began to despaire of my returne into England vnlesse I would ouerthrow both the health of my body and the quiet of my minde and either vtterly damne mine owne soule or greatly endanger not only my liuing and credit but my life it selfe also by reason of your Maiesties displeasure and the seueritie of the Statutes made and in force against Catholikes and Catholike Religion 16 There is a Statute in England made by King HENRY the eight to make him supreame head of the Church in Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall causes which Statute enioynes all the subiects of England on paine of death to beleeue and to sweare they do beleeue that it is true And yet all the world knowes if King HENRY the eight could haue gotten the Pope to diuorce Queene KATHERINE that he might marry ANNE BOLEINE that Statute had neuer beene made by him and if that Title had not enabled the King to pull downe Abbeyes and Religious houses and giue them to Lay-men the Lords and Commons of that time would neuer haue suffered such a Statute to be made This Statute was continued by Queene ELIZABETH to serue her owne turne and it is confirmed by your Maiesty to satisfie other men And yet your Maiesty yeeldeth the Church of Rome to be the Mother Church and the Bishop of Rome to be the chiefe Bishop or Primate of all the Westerne Churches which I doe also verily beleeue and therefore I doe verily thinke he hath or ought to haue some spirituall Iurisdiction in in England And although in my yonger dayes the fashion of the world made me sweare as other men did for which I pray God forgiue me yet I euer doubted and am now resolued that no Christian man can take that oath with a safe conscience neither will I euer take it to gaine the greatest preferment in the world 17 There is another Statute in England made by Queene ELIZABETH and confirmed by your Maiesty that it is death for any English man to be in England being made a Priest by authoritie deriued or pretended to be deriued from the Bishop of Rome I cannot beleeue that I am a Priest at all vnlesse I be deriued by authority from GREGORY the Great from whence all the Bishops in England haue their being if they haue any being at all 18 There is another Statute in like manner made and confirmed that it is death to be reconciled by a Catholike Priest to the Church of Rome I am perswaded that the Church of Rome is our Mother Church and that no man in England can be saued that continues wilfully out of the visible vnitie of that Church and therefore I cannot choose but perswade the people to be reconciled thereunto if possibly they can 19 There is another Statute in
of Schisme and raised your Maiestie to restore it as your most wise and Catholike Progenitor King HENRY the seuenth did leaue it 34 But perhaps the Schisme though it serue you to no other vse at all for your Title yet it doth much encrease your authoritie and your wealth and therefore it cannot stand with your honor to further the vnitie of the Church of Christ. Truely those your most famous and renowned Ancestors that did part with their authority their wealth to bestow them vpon the Church of Christ and did curse and execrate those that should diminish and take them away againe did not thinke so nor finde it so and I would to God your Maiestie were so powerfull and so rich as some of those Kings weré that were most bountifull that way You are our Soueraigne Lord all our bodies and our goods are at your command but our soules as they belong not to your charge but as by way of protection in Catholike Religion so they cannot encrease your honor or authoritie but in a due subordination vnto Christ and to those that supply his place in ijs quae sunt Iuris diuini It was essentiall to Heathen Emperors to be Pontifices as well as Reges because they were themselues Authors of their owne Religion But among Christians where Religion comes from Christ who was no worldly Emperour though aboue them all the Spirituall and Temporall authoritie haue two beginnings and therefore two Supreames who if they be subordinate doe vphold and increase one another But if the Temporall authoritie doe oppose the Spirituall it destroyeth it selfe and dishonoreth him from whom the Spirituall authority is deriued Heresy doth naturally spread it selfe like a canker and needs little help to put it forward so that it is an easie matter for a mean Prince to be a great man amongst Heretikes but it is an hard matter for a great King to gouerne them When I haue sometimes obserued how hardly your Maiestie could effect your most reasonable desires amongst those that stand most vpon your Supremacie I haue beene bold to be angrie but durst say nothing only I did with my selfe resolue for certaine that the Keyes were wont to doe the Crowne more seruice when they were in the Armes of the Miter then they can doe now they are tyed together with the Scepter and that your Title in Spirituall affaires doth but serue other mens turnes and not your owne 35 As for your wealth it is true that the Crowne hath more pence payed vnto it now then in Catholike times it had but it hath neuer the more wealth It is but the gaine of the Tellers to haue more money true wealth is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 He is the richest Prince that hath meanes to maintaine the greatest Armie and to doe most magnificent workes both in warre and in peace wherein the facts of Catholike Ancestors doe appeare vpon good Record your Maiesties are but yet hoped for and if euer you haue the helpe of Catholike religion to assist you I hope you shall excell them all otherwise I assure my selfe the Schisme will do what it can to make you poore and then complaine that you are not Rich. It was indeed one of the maine pretenses in the Statutes of HENRY the eight that the Schisme might enrich the King and maintaine his warres but God did not blesse it for notwithstanding all the Church-lands and goods and tenths and fruits and premuniries King HENRY the eight was faine to abase his coyne more then once and yet he died not so rich as his Catholike father left him And since his time what is become of the Court of augmentation what benefit you receiue of all the Church-lands more then your Progenitors did when they were in the hands of the Clergie what ease your subiects haue of subsidies thereby or in briefe how much your coffers are enriched you may be pleased to be informed by those that haue to doe with those offices and can readily giue you an account for mine owne part I haue diligently read ouer all the Statutes made by HENRY the eight and doe finde that the Euent are so cleane contrary to the Prefaces and pretences of them as if God of purpose would laugh them to scorne 36 There is yet another obiection or two in Reason of State concerning your Maiestie which seeme to be harder to answere then all the rest whereof the one is that your Maiestie hath vndertaken the cause in writing and set out a booke in print and it must needs be great dishonor to you to recall it This indeed is that which I haue heard the Caluinists of England often wish for before it was done and much boast of after it was by means effected that your Maiestie should be no longer able to shew your selfe indifferent as you did at the first but were now engaged vpon your honor to maintaine their partie and to oppugne the Catholikes and altogether to suppresse them But there is nothing in that booke why your Maiestie may not when you please admit the Popes supremacie in spiritualls And you are partly engaged thereby to admit the triall of the first generall Councels and the most ancient Fathers And as for the question of Antichrist it is but an Hypotheticall proposition and so reserued as you may recall your selfe when you will And howsoeuer that booke came forth either of your owne disposition or by the daily instigation of some others that did abuse your clemencie and seeke to send you of their owne errand it cannot serue their turnes nor hinder your Maiestie from hearkening to an end of contention For if King HENRY the eight in the iudgement of Protestants might saue his honor and contradict his booke from very good to starke naught they must not deny but that your Maiestie may encrease your honor by altering your booke from lesse good to much better 37 The other and the greatest obiection that howsoeuer your Maiestie before your comming to the Crowne and in the beginning of your raigne were in different yet after the Gunpowder-treason you were so angred and auerted as now you are resolued neuer to be friends And therefore he is no good subiect that will either himselfe be reconciled to the Church of Rome or perswade any of your subiects thereunto It is true I confesse your Maiestie had great cause to be throughly angrie and so had all good men whether Catholikes or Protestants but if your Maiestie will hearken to those that worke their owne purposes out of your anger you shall be driuen to liue and die out of charitie which although it be not so horrible to the bodie yet is it more harmefull to the soule then violent or sodaine death It is hard I confesse for a priuate man to asswage his anger on the sodaine and there is as much difference betwixt the anger of a priuate man and the indignations of a Prince as betwixt a blast vpon the riuer which is