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filium_fw-la a_o hundred_o other_o place_n may_v be_v bring_v where_o the_o father_n call_v the_o consecrate_a bread_n christ_n and_o consequent_o they_o do_v not_o think_v there_o be_v the_o mere_a body_n without_o blood_n and_o soul_n see_v as_o calvin_n do_v confess_v it_o be_v a_o absurd_a manner_n of_o speech_n to_o term_v christ_n the_o mere_a body_n of_o christ_n and_o such_o a_o form_n of_o speech_n be_v never_o hear_v of_o hitherto_o in_o the_o world_n ergo_fw-la concomitancie_n that_o be_v christ_n real_a and_o entire_a body_n soul_n flesh_n blood_n to_o be_v under_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o the_o father_n answer_n it_o be_v grant_v that_o worthy_a communicant_n in_o the_o holy_a eucharist_n receive_v christ_n joh._n 6._o 33_o 35_o 48._o but_o sacramental_a eat_v his_o flesh_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n be_v the_o mean_n by_o which_o they_o be_v unite_v and_o incorporate_v with_o christ_n himself_o therefore_o the_o objection_n to_o wit_n if_o the_o 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for_o just_a reason_n may_v be_v command_v by_o the_o church_n this_o proposition_n be_v true_a because_o there_o neither_o be_v other_o cause_n of_o dislike_n that_o may_v not_o be_v reduce_v to_o these_o four_o neither_o do_v christ_n institution_n or_o sacrament_n or_o precept_n or_o the_o primitive_a practice_n bind_v we_o to_o keep_v they_o further_o than_o in_o substance_n the_o accidental_a circumstance_n of_o institution_n sacrament_n precept_n primitive_a custom_n be_v variable_a according_a to_o the_o variable_a disposition_n of_o thing_n unto_o which_o the_o church_n militant_a in_o this_o life_n be_v subject_a now_o i_o assume_v concomitancie_n be_v suppose_v it_o may_v be_v make_v evident_a that_o communion_n under_o one_o kind_n be_v not_o against_o the_o substance_n either_o of_o christ_n institution_n or_o of_o the_o sacrament_n or_o of_o his_o precept_n or_o of_o his_o primitive_a practice_n for_o the_o substance_n of_o these_o four_o obligation_n be_v one_o and_o 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distinct_a signification_n deliver_v they_o indifferent_o to_o all_o the_o communicant_n and_o annex_v a_o promise_n to_o the_o reception_n of_o the_o one_o as_o well_o as_o to_o the_o sumption_n of_o the_o other_o second_o it_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o express_a precept_n of_o christ_n say_v drink_v you_o all_o of_o this_o and_o to_o s._n paul_n precept_n 〈◊〉_d 1._o cor._n 11._o 28._o three_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o holy_a apostle_n 11.23.26_o and_o of_o the_o primitive_a church_n didicistis_fw-la be_v against_o it_o four_o the_o people_n which_o receive_v in_o one_o kind_n receive_v only_o a_o moiety_n and_o piece_n but_o not_o the_o whole_a and_o entire_a sacrament_n jesuit_fw-la jesuit_o 2._o communion_n under_o one_o kind_n not_o against_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o institution_n of_o christ._n divine_a institution_n be_v a_o action_n of_o god_n whereby_o he_o give_v be_v unto_o thing_n with_o reference_n unto_o some_o special_a end_n this_o end_n be_v twofold_a the_o 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marry_v because_o he_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o propagate_v
into_o the_o water_n be_v require_v yet_o according_a to_o the_o intention_n sprinkle_v be_v sufficient_a but_o here_o i_o demand_v of_o the_o romi_v whether_o any_o thing_n touch_v the_o manner_n of_o receive_v the_o eucharist_n be_v deliver_v in_o christ_n word_n or_o not_o and_o if_o nothing_o than_o our_o saviour_n treat_v not_o either_o of_o spiritual_a or_o sacramental_a eat_n or_o drink_v for_o both_o these_o belong_v to_o the_o manner_n and_o if_o he_o speak_v about_o the_o manner_n than_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n must_v be_v sacramental_o receive_v as_o well_o as_o his_o body_n but_o it_o be_v not_o receive_v sacramental_o utroque_fw-la under_o bread_n alone_o because_o to_o receive_v sacramental_o be_v to_o receive_v under_o the_o proper_a and_o individual_a sign_n represent_v the_o blood_n receive_v which_o be_v wine_n and_o implicit_a and_o virtual_a receive_n of_o christ_n blood_n be_v spiritual_a drink_n and_o this_o be_v perform_v out_o of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o 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manner_n of_o apply_v and_o use_v the_o element_n be_v alter_v by_o the_o church_n but_o from_o alteration_n of_o a_o thing_n accidental_a or_o of_o circumstance_n to_o infer_v a_o liberty_n to_o defalcate_v a_o substantial_a part_n be_v sophistical_a jesuit_fw-la jesuit_o 5._o communion_n under_o one_o kind_n not_o against_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n certain_a it_o be_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n do_v very_o often_o and_o frequent_o use_v communion_n under_o both_o kind_n so_o that_o lie_v man_n have_v by_o prescription_n a_o right_a 2._o to_o receive_v in_o both_o kind_n yea_o they_o be_v bind_v thereunto_o by_o the_o obligation_n of_o custom_n not_o by_o divine_a precept_n answer_n bibere_fw-la the_o primitive_a church_n in_o all_o her_o public_a assembly_n and_o congregation_n administer_v the_o holy_a eucharist_n to_o the_o people_n in_o both_o kind_n perpetual_o and_o not_o frequent_o only_a or_o often_o as_o the_o jesait_fw-mi minse_v and_o justin_n martyr_n say_v 482._o that_o the_o apostle_n prescribe_v this_o as_o command_v by_o christ_n and_o saint_n cyprian_n fecit_fw-la have_v these_o word_n lex_fw-la esum_fw-la sanguinis_fw-la prohibet_fw-la euangelium_fw-la precipit_fw-la ut_fw-la bibatur_fw-la whereas_o the_o old_a law_n forbid_v the_o eat_n of_o blood_n the_o gospel_n command_v to_o drink_v the_o blood_n and_o in_o his_o 63_o epistle_n many_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n depart_v not_o from_o that_o which_o our_o master_n christ_n command_v and_o perform_v praecepit_fw-la &_o iussit_fw-la but_o other_o of_o ignorance_n and_o simplicity_n in_o calais_n dominico_n sanctificando_fw-la &_o 〈◊〉_d ministrando_fw-la in_o consecrate_v and_o minister_a the_o cup_n to_o the_o people_n do_v not_o that_o which_o christ_n our_o lord_n and_o god_n perform_v and_o teach_v petrus_n de_fw-fr occhagavia_n say_v ministrando_fw-la that_o the_o word_n et_fw-la plebi_fw-la ministrando_fw-la deliver_v it_o to_o the_o people_n be_v not_o st._n cyprian_n but_o this_o man_n go_v by_o hearsay_n as_o appear_v both_o by_o the_o elder_n &_o late_a edition_n 542._o of_o cyprian_a and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o constant_a doctrine_n of_o this_o father_n be_v manifest_a by_o other_o place_n cite_v in_o the_o margin_n 63._o therefore_o it_o be_v palpable_o untrue_a which_o the_o jesuit_n vent_v they_o be_v bind_v thereunto_o by_o obligation_n of_o custom_n and_o not_o by_o divine_a precept_n jesuit_fw-la also_o because_o the_o manichee_n be_v impious_o per_n suade_v 46._o that_o wine_n be_v the_o gall_n of_o the_o prince_n of_o darkness_n do_v superstitious_o abstain_v from_o the_o chalice_n the_o church_n in_o detestation_n quadrage_n of_o this_o error_n command_v for_o a_o time_n communion_n under_o both_o kind_n upon_o which_o occasion_n gelasius_n pope_n make_v 〈◊〉_d the_o decree_n record_v by_o gratian_n aut_fw-la integra_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la suscipiant_fw-la aut_fw-la ab_fw-la integris_fw-la arceantur_fw-la and_o why_o 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sacrilege_n it_o can_v be_v divide_v and_o sever_v
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leo_n the_o first_o be_v administer_v in_o both_o kind_n and_o romist_n can_v never_o as_o yet_o produce_v any_o one_o sufficient_a testimony_n or_o example_n that_o so_o much_o as_o any_o one_o congregation_n of_o christian_n in_o ancient_a time_n receive_v in_o the_o open_a church_n under_o one_o kind_n and_o although_o the_o place_n object_v out_o of_o leo_n 〈◊〉_d do_v in_o special_a concern_v the_o manichee_n yet_o it_o show_v plain_o that_o the_o present_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v not_o consonant_a to_o the_o ancient_a practice_n of_o the_o same_o church_n nevertheless_o our_o perverse_a adversary_n argue_v against_o we_o out_o of_o this_o place_n of_o leo_fw-la say_v that_o if_o the_o communion_n have_v not_o sometime_o be_v administer_v under_o one_o kind_n the_o manichee_n practice_v in_o refuse_v the_o cup_n can_v not_o have_v pass_v unmarked_a but_o must_v necessary_o have_v be_v observe_v i_o answer_v first_o the_o manichee_n be_v espy_v 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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d those_o thing_n which_o be_v behind_o or_o want_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d persoluenda_fw-la of_o the_o affliction_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o christ_n in_o my_o flesh_n 〈◊〉_d his_o body_n which_o be_v the_o church_n the_o first_o part_n of_o these_o word_n prove_v that_o s._n paul_n suffer_v for_o the_o collossian_o but_o because_o he_o may_v suffer_v for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o their_o faith_n or_o as_o a_o example_n of_o patience_n aliorum_fw-la or_o by_o way_n of_o persecution_n because_o he_o preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o they_o discipulos_fw-la and_o other_o church_n it_o can_v be_v conclude_v that_o he_o suffer_v to_o make_v satisfaction_n for_o their_o sin_n second_o the_o next_o word_n conclude_v not_o satisfaction_n for_o christ_n affliction_n and_o passion_n be_v of_o two_o kind_n some_o personal_a and_o in_o his_o own_o flesh_n some_o by_o sympathy_n and_o compassion_n in_o his_o member_n sustinerem_fw-la the_o first_o be_v 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church_n than_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a that_o because_o god_n will_v have_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v by_o his_o antecedent_n will_v therefore_o the_o true_a church_n must_v in_o all_o age_n be_v visible_o universal_a a_o contingent_a cause_n undetermine_v do_v not_o produce_v or_o argue_v a_o constant_a certain_a and_o necessary_a effect_n the_o antecedent_n will_v of_o god_n be_v a_o contingent_a cause_n habet_fw-la in_o respect_n of_o the_o perpetual_a visible_a universality_n of_o the_o church_n ergo_fw-la the_o antecedent_n will_v of_o god_n do_v not_o produce_v or_o argue_v a_o perpetual_a visible_a universality_n of_o the_o church_n for_o if_o notwithstanding_o the_o antecedent_n will_v of_o god_n many_o singular_a person_n and_o whole_a nation_n may_v be_v for_o some_o space_n of_o time_n destitute_a of_o outward_a call_n by_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o all_o moral_a possibility_n for_o that_o space_n of_o time_n of_o the_o have_v thereof_o and_o 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because_o it_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o holiness_n of_o christ_n the_o head_n thereof_o by_o grace_n 1._o cor._n 1.30_o ephes._n 5.30_o john_n 17.19_o heb._n 12.10_o and_o because_o of_o the_o special_a inhabitation_n and_o operation_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 45._o ephes._n 1.13_o 1._o cor._n 3.17_o 1._o thessaly_n 4.8_o 2._o tim._n 1._o 14._o three_o because_o it_o be_v call_v and_o consecrate_v unto_o holiness_n 2._o tim._n 1.9_o 1._o pet._n 2.9_o 1._o thessaly_n 4.7_o apoc._n 1.6_o four_o because_o the_o faith_n doctrine_n law_n sacrament_n and_o religion_n thereof_o be_v holy_a peccatorum_fw-la jud._n v_o 20._o 2._o pet._n 2.20_o tit._n 3.5_o five_o because_o the_o virtue_n and_o action_n thereof_o be_v true_o and_o indeed_o holy_a whereas_o the_o virtue_n of_o infidel_n which_o live_v out_o of_o the_o church_n be_v profane_a and_o unholy_a as_o bear_v the_o image_n of_o virtue_n but_o want_v the_o true_a form_n and_o fruit_n thereof_o 157._o but_o our_o adversary_n pass_v by_o 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paupertatis_fw-la professores_fw-la sed_fw-la haereditatum_fw-la successores_fw-la professor_n of_o poverty_n and_o heir_n apparent_a to_o every_o man_n land_n matthew_n paris_n 592._o say_v that_o the_o mendicant_n in_o england_n raise_v stately_a building_n equal_a to_o prince_n palace_n and_o they_o hoard_a up_o invaluable_a treasure_n etc._n etc._n and_o papirius_n masson_n 5._o say_v poverty_n which_o religious_a order_n seem_v to_o profess_v be_v more_o hateful_a to_o they_o than_o to_o any_o other_o sort_n of_o man_n the_o vow_n of_o chastity_n make_v the_o most_o of_o they_o more_o impure_a than_o dog_n and_o to_o stink_n before_o god_n and_o man_n that_o many_o of_o they_o be_v sodomite_n be_v affirm_v by_o no_o mean_a man_n than_o saint_n bernard_n quaerunt_fw-la who_o say_v beside_o fornication_n adultery_n and_o incest_n the_o deed_n of_o ignominy_n and_o turpitude_n for_o which_o the_o city_n of_o sodom_n and_o gomorrha_n be_v predamned_a be_v not_o want_v etc._n etc._n rodericus_fw-la a_o famous_a bishop_n sai_z 305._o that_o votary_n and_o regulars_n be_v not_o satisfy_v with_o one_o woman_n but_o keep_v concubine_n and_o young_a damosel_n sans_o number_n alphonsus_n castro_n say_v habeatur_fw-la the_o incontinency_n of_o priest_n be_v in_o these_o day_n so_o frequent_a that_o if_o but_o one_o of_o they_o be_v know_v to_o live_v chaste_o although_o many_o other_o necessary_a 〈◊〉_d lity_n be_v want_v in_o he_o he_o be_v esteem_v a_o holy_a man_n by_o the_o people_n for_o this_o one_o quality_n aluares_n pelagius_n say_v etc._n that_o the_o cell_n of_o anchorite_n be_v daily_o visit_v by_o woman_n and_o in_o another_o place_n surgunt_fw-la priest_n for_o many_o year_n together_o do_v arise_v every_o day_n from_o their_o concubine_n side_n and_o without_o go_v to_o confession_n say_v mass_n and_o in_o another_o place_n sacramenta_fw-la quis_fw-la clericorum_fw-la intra_fw-la sanctam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la castitatem_fw-la seruat_fw-la what_o clerk_n 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