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A52055 Smectymnuus redivivus Being an answer to a book, entituled, An humble remonstrance. In which, the original of liturgy episcopacy is discussed, and quæries propounded concerning both. The parity of bishops and presbyters in scripture demonstrated. The occasion of the imparity in antiquity discovered. The disparity of the ancient and our moderne bishops manifested. The antiquity of ruling elders in the church vindicated. The prelaticall church bounded. Smectymnuus.; Marshall, Stephen, 1594?-1655.; Calamy, Edmund, 1600-1666.; Young, Thomas, 1587-1655.; Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669.; Spurstowe, William, 1605?-1666. 1654 (1654) Wing M784; ESTC R223740 77,642 91

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5._o but_o if_o there_o be_v no_o lay-elder_n in_o the_o church_n till_o this_o present_a age_n we_o will_v be_v glad_a to_o learn_v who_o they_o be_v of_o who_o origen_n speak_v when_o he_o tell_v we_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o christian_a teacher_n first_o to_o examine_v such_o as_o desire_v to_o hear_v they_o of_o who_o there_o be_v two_o order_n the_o first_o be_v catechumeni_fw-la or_o beginner_n the_o other_o be_v of_o such_o as_o be_v more_o perfect_a among_o who_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n nonnulli_fw-la praepositi_fw-la sunt_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o vitam_fw-la &_o mores_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la admittuntur_fw-la inquirant_fw-la ut_fw-la qui_fw-la turpia_fw-la committant_fw-la eos_fw-la communi_fw-la caetu_fw-la interdicant_fw-la qui_fw-la verò_fw-la ab_fw-la istis_fw-la abhorrent_n celsum_fw-la ex_fw-la anima_fw-la complexi_fw-la meliores_fw-la quotidie_fw-la reddant_fw-la there_o be_v some_o ordain_v to_o inquire_v into_o the_o life_n and_o manner_n of_o such_o as_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n that_o they_o may_v banish_v such_o from_o the_o public_a assembly_n that_o perpetrate_v scandalous_a act_n which_o place_n tell_v we_o plain_o first_o that_o there_o be_v some_o in_o the_o high_a form_n of_o hearer_n not_o teacher_n who_o be_v censores_fw-la morum_fw-la over_o the_o rest_n second_o that_o they_o be_v design_v or_o constitute_v to_o this_o work_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d three_o that_o they_o have_v such_o authority_n entrust_v into_o their_o hand_n as_o that_o they_o may_v interdict_v such_o as_o be_v scandalous_a from_o the_o public_a assembly_n we_o will_v glad_o know_v whether_o these_o be_v not_o as_o it_o be_v lay-eelders_a that_o there_o be_v such_o in_o the_o church_n distinguish_v from_o other_o that_o be_v call_v to_o teach_v appear_v 137._o augustine_n write_v to_o his_o charge_n direct_v his_o epistle_n dilectissimis_fw-la fratribus_fw-la clero_fw-la senioribus_fw-la &_o universae_fw-la plebi_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la hipponensis_n where_o first_o there_o be_v the_o general_a compellation_n fratribus_fw-la brethren_n then_o there_o be_v a_o distribution_n of_o these_o brethren_n into_o the_o clergy_n the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a people_n so_o that_o there_o be_v in_o that_o church_n elder_n distinguish_v both_o from_o the_o clergy_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o people_n so_o again_o contra_fw-la cresconium_fw-la grammaticum_fw-la omnes_fw-la vos_fw-la episcopi_fw-la presbyteri_fw-la diaconi_fw-la and_o seniores_fw-la scitis_fw-la all_o you_o bishop_n elder_n deacon_n and_o elder_n do_v know_v what_o be_v those_o two_o sort_n of_o elder_n there_o mention_v in_o one_o comma_n 1._o and_o ibidem_fw-la cap._n 56._o peregrinus_n presbyter_n &_o seniores_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la musticanae_fw-la regionis_fw-la tale_n desiderium_fw-la prosequuntur_fw-la where_o again_o we_o read_v of_o elder_n and_o elder_n presbyter_n and_o senior_n in_o one_o church_n both_o those_o passage_n be_v upon_o record_n in_o the_o public_a act_n which_o be_v more_o full_o set_v down_o by_o baronius_n anno_fw-la 303._o num._n 15_o 16_o 17._o as_o also_o by_o albaspineus_n in_o his_o edition_n of_o optatus_n in_o which_o act_v the_o senior_n be_v often_o mention_v in_o that_o famous_a relation_n of_o the_o purge_n of_o caecilianus_n and_o felix_n there_o be_v a_o copy_n of_o a_o letter_n fratribus_fw-la &_o filiis_fw-la clero_fw-la &_o senioribus_fw-la fratribus_fw-la in_o domino_fw-la aeternam_fw-la salutem_fw-la another_o letter_n be_v mention_v a_o little_a before_o clericis_fw-la &_o senioribus_fw-la cirthensium_fw-la in_o domino_fw-la aeternam_fw-la salutem_fw-la these_o senior_n be_v interest_v in_o affair_n concern_v the_o church_n as_o be_v the_o man_n by_o who_o advice_n they_o be_v manage_v the_o letter_n of_o purpurius_n to_o silvanus_n say_v adhibete_fw-la conclericos_fw-la &_o seniores_fw-la plebis_fw-la ecclesiasticos_fw-la viros_fw-la &_o inquirant_fw-la quae_fw-la sint_fw-la iste_fw-la dissensiones_fw-la ut_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la sunt_fw-la secundum_fw-la fid●i_fw-la praecepta_fw-la fiant_fw-la where_o we_o see_v the_o joint_a power_n of_o these_o senior_n with_o the_o clergy_n in_o order_v ecclesiastical_a affair_n that_o by_o their_o wisdom_n and_o care_n peace_n may_v be_v settle_v in_o the_o church_n for_o which_o cause_n these_o senior_n be_v call_v ecclesiastical_a man_n and_o yet_o they_o be_v distinguish_v from_o clergy_n man_n they_o be_v mention_v again_o afterward_o by_o maximus_n say_v loquor_fw-la nomine_fw-la seniorum_fw-la populi_n christiani_n greg._n mag._n distinguish_v they_o also_o from_o the_o clergy_n tabellarium_fw-la cum_fw-la consensu_fw-la seniorum_fw-la &_o cleri_fw-la memineris_fw-la ordinandum_fw-la these_o senior_n have_v power_n to_o reprove_v offender_n otherwise_o why_o shall_v augustine_n say_v dom._n cum_fw-la ob_fw-la errorem_fw-la aliquem_fw-la à_fw-la senioribus_fw-la arguuntur_fw-la &_o imputatur_fw-la alicui_fw-la cur_n aebrius_fw-la fuerit_fw-la cur_n res_fw-la alienas_fw-la pervaserit_fw-la etc._n etc._n when_o they_o be_v by_o the_o elder_n reprove_v for_o their_o error_n and_o drunkenness_n be_v lay_v to_o a_o man_n charge_n etc._n etc._n so_o that_o it_o be_v proper_a to_o the_o senior_n to_o have_v the_o cognizance_n of_o delinqent_n and_o to_o reprove_v they_o 2._o the_o same_o augustine_n in_o psal._n 36._o necesse_fw-la nos_fw-la fuerat_fw-la primiani_fw-la causam_fw-la quem_fw-la etc._n etc._n seniorum_fw-la literis_fw-la ejusdem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la po●tulantibus_fw-la audire_fw-la be_v request_v by_o letter_n from_o the_o senior_n of_o that_o church_n it_o be_v needful_a for_o i_o to_o hear_v the_o cause_n of_o primian_n etc._n etc._n so_o again_o optatus_n who_o mention_v a_o persecution_n that_o do_v for_o a_o while_n scatter_v the_o church_n say_v erant_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ex_fw-la auro_fw-la &_o argento_fw-la quam_fw-la plurima_fw-la ornamenta_fw-la quae_fw-la nec_fw-la defodere_fw-la terrae_fw-la nec_fw-la secum_fw-la portare_fw-la poterat_fw-la quare_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la senioribus_fw-la commendavit_fw-la albaspineus_n that_o learned_a antiquary_n on_o that_o place_n acknowledge_v that_o beside_o the_o clergy_n there_o be_v certain_a of_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n man_n of_o approve_a life_n that_o do_v tend_v the_o affair_n of_o the_o church_n of_o who_o this_o place_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v by_o all_o these_o testimony_n it_o be_v apparent_a first_o that_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n there_o be_v some_o call_v senior_n second_o that_o these_o senior_n be_v not_o clergy_n man_n three_o that_o they_o have_v a_o stroke_n in_o govern_v the_o church_n and_o manage_v the_o affair_n thereof_o four_o that_o senior_n be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o people_n neither_o will_v we_o desire_v to_o choose_v any_o other_o judge_n in_o this_o whole_a controversy_n 32._o than_o who_o himself_o constitute_v foreign_a 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