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A68160 A copy of the letters, wherin the most redouted [and] mighty pri[n]ce, our souerayne lorde kyng Henry the eight, kyng of Englande [and] of Frau[n]ce, defe[n]sor of the faith, and lorde of Irla[n]de: made answere vnto a certayne letter of Martyn Luther, sente vnto him by the same and also the copy of the foresaid Luthers letter, in such order, as here after foloweth.; Literarum, quibus invictissimus princeps, Henricus octavus, rex Angliae et Franciae, dominus Hyberniae, ac fidei defensor respondit, ad quandam epistolam Martini Lutheri, ad se missam. English Henry VIII, King of England, 1491-1547.; Luther, Martin, 1483-1546. Epistola ad Henricum Octavum Angliae et Franciae regem. English. 1527 (1527) STC 13086; ESTC S106085 31,003 102

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the churche of Rome is / bycause ye se and were wode therwith / that it hath cōdēpned your heresyes / so that it may with reason aunswere you with holy scripture / which saith Non contra nos est murmur vestrum sed cōtra dominum your murmure is nat against vs but agaynst our lorde And than shall it loke vp to Christ in heuyn / whose place it representeth in erthe / and shall agaynst youre heynous presumptyon gratiously be herde / sayēg Presumētes de se et de sua virtute gloriantes humilias they that presume vpon them selfe / and glorie in their owne strength / thou doest abate good lorde surely there was neuer mā borne I trowe that set so moche by hym selfe / that had so lytell cause but and ye were so wyse ī dede as ye stande well in your owne conceyt / ye wolde nat murmure against your amēdement / for as the wyse mā saithe Uir prudens et disciplinatꝰ non murmurabit correptꝰ A discrete man well taught wyll nat murmure / whan his fautes be shewed him I feare ye shall finde it so / that wenyng your selfe so wyse / it wyll fall by you / as saynt Paule saithe / by the paynym philosophers Euanuerunt in cogitationibus suis obscuratū est īsipiēs cor eorū dicētes se esse sapiētes stulti facti sunt / They haue done vainly in their inuentions / their folysshe hertes were blynded / callyng thē selfe wyse men / they were made fooles So ye ryse highe in your owne herte / and with great bost reken yourselfe very riche of frendes / and namely of great princes / that as ye say take your parte in Almayn but I wene ye shall finde to preue trewe vpon you these wordes of the Apocalyps / whiche saithe to the ryche man these wordes Tu dicis qia diues sū et locupletatus et nullius egeo et nescis quia miser es et miserabilis et pauper et cecus et nudus thou affyrmest to thy selfe / I am riche and of great substaūce / and haue no nede of nothynge / yet thou knowest nat that thou arte a wretche / and myserable and poore / blynde and naked I thynke ere it be long / our lorde wyll of his highe goodnesse prouyde / that with such wayes as ye take / your vnwyse pride wyll in suche wyse abate / that ye shall fynde your selfe as pore and bare of all frēdes / as ye be of grace and goodnesse / and it beginneth alredy / if ye haue the witte to parceyue it For where ye boost of princes takyng your parte / we here of none suche but haue good experience that rude boystous people / seduced with your secte / haue cōmen to great myschefe / by the valyaunt acquitayle of good and Catholyke princes in Almayne / that resysted your malicious faction there / to their highe meryte of god / honour of this worlde / laude praise of all good christen men And where ye saye / it is no marueyle though the Emperour and some other prynces pursue you / and that it were maruell if any prince or people were on your parte / rehersyng the wordes of Dauid Gentes fremuerūt et populi meditati sūt inania astiterūt reges et principes conuenerūt ī vnū aduersꝰ dn̄m et aduersus Christū eius the gentyls haue ben angry / and the people haue deuysed ī vayne / thynges haue assembled / and prīces haue gathered togider agaynst our lorde / and agaynst his enoynted Christe ▪ These wordes make moche agaynst you / if ye say trouthe / that the prīces and people of Almayne take youre parte / as you ī your letter do affirme for certayne is it / that your doyng is in dede agaynst Christ / wherfore take your parte agaynst hym who so wyll Qui habitat ī celis irridebit eos et dominus subsannabit eos / he that dwelleth in the heuyns shall laugh them to scorne / and oure lorde mocke them / as he hath all redy proued / by thre or fourscore thousāde of your faction / whiche by his highe punysshment / are / hath ben slayne ¶ Now where as ye so holily wysh / that god shulde in me so worke with your wordes / that I might as it were by myracle be cōuerted / and fauour the gospell Verily / I ꝓfesse my selfe to fauour the gospell / and that mynde I praye god / nat onely to contynue / but also dayly to encreace but for as moche as I well knowe / that ye nothyng els meane / by the fauour of the gospell / but the fauour of your owne secte / and wolde haue your pestylent heresyes taken for Christes gospell And sithe I well wote also / that our lorde wyll hym selfe worke no myracles / agaynst the faythe of his owne sonne Therfore / ere the deuyll shuld worke any suche wondre in me / that I shulde vnder the cloke of Christes gospell fauour Luthers heresies / I wolde fyrste wysshe / that ye Luther and all yours / were there where except ye mende ye they be worthy ¶ Nowe as touching your worshipfull gentyll offre / that ye wolde / if I were so content / make and put out another boke / to my prayse honour / with reuokynge of suche wordes / as ye haue written to the contrary / All this laboure I gladly remytte you / nor I desyre none of your bokes / to be written to my prayse / but wolde that ye shulde reuoke your heresyes / and confesse your errours / therby gyue prayse and glorie / to almighty god For if ye perseuer in your heresyes and leude lyueng / ye canne nat more highly praise me / thā in dispraising nor more highly disprayse me / thā in praysing / if it be trewe that Seneck saythe Tā turpe tibi sit laudari a turpibus quāsi lauderis ob turpia It is as great a shame to be praysed of naughty folkes / as to be praysed for naughtynesse And therfore / where as ye in dyuers partes of your letter write your selfe sore ashamed of your boke / that ye put out agaynst me / layeng the faut therof / to the yuell instigatyon of other men / hūbly besechyng me of forgyuenesse prosterning your selfe to my fete / trustyng that sithe I am a man mortall / I wolde nat beare īmortall enemyte Surely Luther / albeit ye haue taken your selfe alwaye for so great a man / in your owne conceyte / that ye haue in writynge / openly professed your selfe / that ye were euer wolde be / bothe quycke and deed / a perpetuall enemye to the Pope to whose highnesse I well knowe / howe farre the estate of a kyng is inferyour yet neuer made I / so great accompte of you / that euer I wolde vouchsafe / to reken my selfe for your enemye all beit I am to your heresyes / as great
in Almayne Haue ye nat been herde in open dispytions in Saxony haue ye nat ben ouermoch herde / by your erronyous and blasphemous bokes ouer largely sprede / through the worlde yet ye alledge your selfe nat to be herde / but condēpned without conuyction ye maye be safe ynough from all cōdempnation / if there be fyrst requisyte suche a conuyction / as your selfe wyll cōfesse for a conuyction but of trouth / ye haue ben conuycted oft ynough by sondrie connyng men and as wyse and well lerned men reken by my writyng also / whiche was confermed by the approbation of the see apostolyke / the which thing though your pride wyll nat parceyue / yet your dealyng doth confesse / sithe ye neuer hiderto coude ne dyd answere thervnto / by any substantiall reason / but onely by leude raylyng ¶ If my selfe knewe nat the maters wherof ye be condempned / yet coude I no thynge dout / but ye were iustly condempned / seyng that ye were condempned by our holy father the pope and the holy college of Cardynals whose iustyce and indifference / there wyll no wyse man any thynge mystrust / for the leude raylyng of a symple frere / angry with his owne iuste condempnation / and namely such as ye be / whom no reason can satisfye / none auctorite can moue / nor beleue no man but your owne wytte / whom onely ye beleue in all thynges / contrary to the wyse mannes counsayle / whiche saith R●●● sapiens esse apud semetipsum Stande nat to well in your owne conceyte And he saith also / that there is moche more hope of a fole than of one that taketh him selfe for so wyse Uidisti hoīem sapiētem sibi videri magis illo spem habebit insipiēs Whan ye were also condempned by dyuers vnyuersitees / among other / by the famous vniuersyte of Paris why shulde I mistrust your condempnation and though I had my selfe as I sayde nothynge knowen of your mater / namely sithe your selfe cōdiscended to stande and obey to the iugement of Paris / but parceyuinge your errours so manyfest / that ye coude haue none hope in the iugement of any man / good and cōnyng / At your personall beyng at Wormace / where ye were by the Emperours maieste condēpned in playn parliament / ye were / ye said / content to dispute / but ye refused vtterly vppon your dispytions / to stande to any mannes iugement Nowe whan I se that ye order youre selfe in this wyse / neyther stande to the iudges that ye condiscende vpon / nor to the iugement of the Emperour / with suche nombre of cōning men as he hath and than had about hym nor to the iugement of the Pope / and the church of Rome / but furiously appele from the Pope to the next generall counsayle / and that with a sta●●yng hole / farther addyng / suche as shulde next be congregate in the Holy gost And yet after that / openly detracte deny the power of all generall counsayls / wherby well appered / that in conclusion / ye wolde stande to none at all howe coude I than as I said mistrust your condempnation All this your order consydred / albeit I had nothyng els herde and vnderstāden of your mater but no we knowynge your maters my selfe / and well parceyuinge them / for suche as they be / playne and euydent heresyes / of suche sorte / as I haue rehersed you sōe / as ye say ye marueyle that ye can nat be herde so I moche marueyle more that you can so say / and that any mā is in those opynions content to gyue you any hearynge at all / as thoughe they shulde nowe dout / wheder those thynges be trewe or nat whiche as artycles of oure faithe / all Christes churche beleueth / and hath contynually beleued this fyftene hundred yeres before / as appereth by the doctrine of Christ and his blessed Appostels / with many other holy doctours and sayntes / writynge in sondrie tymes consonant in one faithe / fro Christes dayes vnto yours / of whiche holy saītes / interpretours of the scrypture of god / sithe ye contempne their writynges / I se nat by what reason ye can desyre that we shulde beleue yours / or what frute coude come of your writynges / so clene contrary to the frutefull writyng of theirs And therfore where ye saye there were great hope of no lytell fruyte to the gospell / and glorie of god / if ye might haue leaue and lyberte / to write vnto me therof surely / than hadde ye nede to write clene the contrary / of suche thynges as ye haue written alredy / and seme lykely to write by your letter / for by that ye haue hiderto written / the gospell of Christ hath take no frute / but by the pestylent blast of your venomous mouth / hath had moche goodly frute vtterly spilte and rotten / and many a fayre blossome perysshed / that wolde haue ben swete frute / if suche a catterpyller had nat deuoured thē ¶ Nowe where as ye rayle of the fautes of the court of Rome / and the clergye / I purpose nat with a manne of your auctorite to dispute moche ther vpō / but how soeuer they be / ye shew your selfe what ye be and syth ye reken your selfe so great a gospeller / it were well done / that ye lerned of the gospell / to pull the beme out of your owne eye / ere ye spye a festue in another mānes / and that ye consydre by them that of rancour and malyce rebuked Dauyd / what ende they communely came vnto / that rayle vpon their souerayns And that / albeit ye shulde se the church sō what swarue / that ye be nat yet so bolde and malaperte / presumptuously to take vpon you to set your croked handes to the rightīg therof / lest god so teache you curtesy / as he taught hym that sette hande to the arche of god whan it was swarued Howe be it vndoubtely though ye lyst to rayle vpon the court of Rome / yet it well appereth vpon your doctryne / and your lyueng that ye worst lyke in the churche / what so euer is best for sithe vnthriftes and apostataes / that ron out of relygion and fall to flesshly delyte / be welcom to you / and good relygious folke be dayly by your meanes expelled oute of their places / in whiche they were determyned in chastyte / prayer / and fastyng / to bestowe their lyues ī goddes seruice now those holy houses partly pulled downe / partely good vertuous virgyns put out / left vnto lechours / and polluted with apostataes / vnder the name of mariage lyueng in lechery This dealyng well declareth / that ye hate no man for his vyce / but that ye rather hate thē that be good and vertuous / bycause they be contrary to your wayes surely the great cause why ye murmure agaynst