and Synodals To salve up which our State not by colour of Divine Law but by humane law gave these tenths and first fruits to the King 3. Hereby is condemned the practice of all other reformed Churches as living in a Nationall sin where the Ministers are not thus maintained by Tythes which is a very uncharitable censure 4. If Tythes be due jure divino then must the division of the Parishes be jure divino else why may not the Tythes be divided to many Ministers as I formerly told you and that some of you hold as bad as living upon stipends Pr. I will not reason with you further whether Tythes be due jure divino you and I differ in our opinions Suppose we should take them as the allowance of the State by humane Law they are little enough to maintain the Ministers who ought to have double honour the honour of reverence and the honour of maintenance and we do exact of you as due to us by the Apostles rule honourable maintenance and not to live upon Alms or as the Ministers of Germany upon mean stipends Ph. I confesse that the Ministers of the Gospel ought to live of the Gospel and to be honestly provided for that they need not through want or necessity be incumbred with worldly businesse but attend their Ministery without distraction but to exact honourable maintenance savours too much of ambition and avarice unbeseeming the servants of Christ I conceive the faithfull Ministers are worthy of double honour as Antichrist is worthy of double punishment not so much in kinde and number as in weight and measure And if that will not content you I affirm you are unlike to the Apostles of our Lord and the Ministers of the primitive times and savour of the leaven of Popery as the Ministers did in the end of the third and in the fourth Centuries after Christ who strove for honour and dignity untill Antichrist came to his height And upon what I now hear from you comparing it with the practice of these times I do conclude that it is not the perversness and peevishnesse of the people so much as the pride and avarice of the pretended Clergie which hindereth the Reformation and that I shall make appear unto you Pr. What can you say against the present Clergie of the Land as they are established by the known Law they are generally all desirous to further the intended reformation Ph. I dislike the name Clergie in your sense for if you mean Gods lot or portion then are all Gods people properly so called But whatever the present pretended Clergie intend I know not it's plain that their pride and avarice is the cause of all the evils in the Land as well Heresies and Schismes in the Church as troubles and distractions in the Common-wealth Pr. It may be giddy heads take occasion of offence when none is given to run out of our Church and to move sedition in the Common-wealth but that is not the fault of the Clergy but of themselves who are causlesly offended and I believe the Clergy are much troubled at it that reformation goeth not forward and that there is no better order in Church or State Ph. I conceive the Clergie which you mean may be divided into four ranks 1. First such as were professed for Antichrist so far as to bring in all his Ceremonies Crosses cringinges Altar-worship and other bodily exercises and superstitions devised by the man of sin to captive souls and were fully bent to joine us to the Church of Rome and might probably have prevailed but that the Popes Supremacy was conceived dangerous and might have been a curb both to the Clergie and superstitious Statists who yet liked Popery well enough but feared the Popes Supremacy as it 's feared in France And I doubt not but many of these men through Gods just judgement were so blinded as to think they did God good service in their superstitious waies and by the prosecutions raised thereupon 2. The second sort are those dumb dogs and Idoll Shepherds who either could not or would not preach at all nor give any alarm when the woolf cometh and these were all ruled by the former as their Oracles and Leaders 3. The third sort are they who pretend more conscience and are more strict in their lives and more orthodox in their opinions then many others and were so far inlightned as to condemn the two former sorts the one as too superstitious the other as ignorant and well know and acknowledge the Ceremonies and other injunctions of Antichrist to be naught and yet subscribed to all and used many but upon other grounds then the former sorts viz. That they might get into and keep their Livings and be capable of preferment and these corruptions of the times they yeelded to as they pretended for necessitie sake rather then to leave their Ministery 4. The fourth sort are those few faithfull men who stood out and as much as in them lay opposed the superstitions and corruptions of the times and left their Ministerie rather then offend God having learned that rule of the Apostle not to do evil that good may come thereof and knowing that God hath no need of mens sins to accomplish his works The two first sorts of these Church-men as they call them are cashiered the fourth sort so discountenanced that they either lurk in obscure places or are gone beyond the seas for parish Churches they meddle with none under the notion of visible Churches The third sort are the men for these times who have so great influence upon all sorts of men that if the Parliament and Armie and all other men dance not after their pipe they are Hereticks Schismaticks Sectaries disturbers of the peace and hinderers of Reformation Pr. I do confesse that in our Church there have been Ministers of all those sorts which you have described but the third sort whom you seem to blame are they who suffered under the corruptions of the times and yet fulfilled their Ministery and subscribed for necessity sake rather then the Church of God should be deprived of their labours These now are and then were constrained to bear the burthen and heat of the day and of this sort for the most part are all the chief actors in the intended Reformation and we finde many of them have given a worthy Testimouy to the truth of Jesus Christ and against the Heresies of the times Ph. I knew no necessitie there was for them to keep their livings upon those terms And for the Testimonie which these men have given if you mean in writing I think their Testimonie is partly true and partly false But verie few of these men ever gave testimonie to the truth so far as to suffer much for Christ not so much as to hazard their Livings It 's an easie matter to testifie against Blasphemies against God and the Persons in the Trinitie and against those errors which being repugnant to divers Articles
how they carryed themselvs afterwards some of them turned notable persecutors others grew idle some erroneous if not hereticall in their judgments And attained with their Lordships Hierarchicall superstitions I could name others of inferior ranke of great note for learning pietie and soundness of judgement even in points controversall who upon conformitie after long standing out accepted great livings and presently became the very Atlas's of popish Ceremonies Vpon all which I conclude that these pretended reformers having heretofore tasted of the Devils broth in their conformitie and subscription and having not yet repented of it will shortly fall to eat the flesh and swallow up any thing which makes not against their honor or profit Pr. You cast very foule aspersions upon our reverend Clergie and have drawn mee into a discourse which I never intended I intimated to you before that it 's the peoples fault that they do not joyne with their Ministers to settle the Church and reforme the abuses in the same It 's an easier matter to finde a fault then to amend it for my part I think the perversness and peevishness of the people is the cause which hindreth Reformation for that they will abide no government but every one will be of his own Religion without controul Ph. I cannot excuse all the people nor think I all faultie who are afraid of having their Religion measured out unto them by the Presbyterie especially by the rigid sort who account all error and heresie which suites not with their conceptions and all men schismaticks and Sectaries whose consciences are not just of their size and yet I am perswaded that reformation goeth not forward is chiefly the fault of the pretended Clergie Pr. How can that be or how doth it appear Pr. Because most of the pretended Ministers must be casheired before there can be any reformation for either the Ministers are dumb blinde guides or els so prophane irreligious or superstitious that if they be reformers their Elders in all probabilities will be of the same stamp to joyne with them And then I leave it to you to judge what reformation here 's like to be when Satan must cast out Satan Pr. This is the condition but of few places many being better furnished both with Ministers and people Ph. The most of the best sort of Ministers stand so much upon their own interests and besides are in so great slaverie to their Patrons that we see they straine their wits to advance their own honor and profit and to please men least either their Livings should suffer any diminution or some one finde a hole in their coat some Symonie lapse or other flaw in their Title whereby to put them out of their Living which before they will loose the most will adventure their souls And upon these grounds it is that every one living within the compasse of their Parish or their perambulation walk must be acknowledged one of their flock and comming to Church he is without doubt a member of the visible Church how ignorant or wicked soever or els how can they demand any Tythes or offerings from them And for the same reason the Ministers labor to preserve their Parishes intire and not to leave out any part thereof least they loose the Tythe and benefit which comes by it And hence is it that they maintain every Parish to be a visible Church although there be neither lawfull Minister nor any Congregation of faithfull people there who have given any testimonie that they are members of Christ or of the houshold of faith Pr. These things may easily be amended and I presume when the Church is setled and the Presbyterian government with the Classes and Synods confirmed these things which are amiss may be altered or changed they are but pettie blemishes and the Ministers will therein satisfie the weak and such as are offended But it s well you have no greater matters to charge them with Ph. I could acquaint you with other abhominable things maintained by your Ministers on purpose to satisfie their lusts of pride and covetousness to which all other things are but drudges besides what I formerly told you off which although you account them pettie matters yet are they repugnant to the essence of a Church of Christ And I see none goeth about to amend them they have Elders and Officers chosen as if they intended reformation but the Ministers and their confederates the Elders do but provoke the Lord grieve his holy Spirit and mock and abuse the people of God Where is anie of your great Presbyters that ever confessed that his Parish was too great and the people too manie although they were twentie thousand and his Living worth 500 l. per annum or that anie of the people were so wicked that hee would spare them out of his Church or desired to have his Parish divided that hee might make way for others more able or worthie then himself Least also hee should part with some of his Tythes and so diminish his revenue and greatness which is against his honour and profit Pr. I have already given you satisfaction to that you now said and tell you again wee must not expect to have a reformation at once it s a matter requires time and autoritie to compell obedience to the Orders of the Church and then you shall see the Presbyterie act vigorously and reformation will undoubtedly go on apace But I pray you what are those other things to which you take exception as things abominable and yet maintained by the Clergie Ph. They defend and maintain their Popish callings from the Prelates their old conformitie and subscription which ingaged them to bee the Prelates and so the Popes Vassals the Patrons right to present to the Churches the Popish and Apocryphal names of Priests Parsons Vicars and Curates the Book of Common Prayer and Homilies and use of popish Ceremonies maintenance by Popish and superstitious offerings double benefices leaving one living when they can get a greater thrusting themselvs upon people without their suffrage consent maintaining Popish Vestries beeing a mear mockerie of Christs Ordinance as if they intended to separate the precious from the vile when they do nothing less All which things with others might easily bee shewed to bee abominable and not to bee suffered in the Churches of Christ Besides these they plead stifly that marrying burying and funerall Orations belong to the Ministerial function and allow of all children to bee baptized although the Children of Turks and Infidels but especially those of their Parish if they bee offered to them how wicked soever their parents are And in like manner they admit all to the Lords Supper how unfit soever if they come but to Church These and others such like have I heard pleaded for with great confidence whilest they have blamed others who take upon them to preach not having such callings as they howsoever gifted and yet for advantage they will bear with anie novice or ignorant
the Parents at least one of them were believers And touching that place in the Acts which onely seemes so plain to you If I should admit the promise there mentioned to be that which you meane which may verie well be questioned it makes nothing to prove that for which its intended by the men of your opinion who will have all the children in their Parish if their parents come to Church to be baptized The next words clear it from such construction and give you a full answer The promise is made to you and to your children and to such as are a far off but the Apostle further addes even as manie as the Lord our God shall call so that by your construction this must be concluded Converts have right to the promise and so have their children c. You conceive the State hath done well in debarring the wicked and abominable from the Lords Table and if the Parents be separated or excommunicate so I account them who are debarred from that Sacrament how can their children have right to the other as being born of believing Parents Pr. We conceive we have sufficient warrant to baptize all Infants that are brought to us being offered in the Church to be baptized For although their immediate Parents were neither of them Beleivers yet some of their ancestors might be and we are bound in charitie to believe they were Believers for God sheweth mercy to thousands of generations of them that love him Ph. You are without doubt singular in your opinion and upon this ground all the children of Turks are to be baptized if offered in the Congregations because they proceed from Abraham by Hagar and all the Jews because they proceed from Sem yea and all the Gentiles because they proceed from Japheth and all the world because they proceed from Adam I never heard asserted untill of late nor do I think any Orthodox Divine will maintain it I confess I once heard something to that purpose from a Minister whom you know very confidently affirmed But afterwards he having to deal with the Anabaptists forsook that hold and stood onely upon that point to prove that some Infants had right to or might be baptized which he then and at other times proved by Doctor Featleys arguments against the Anabaptists Pr. How ever it may be with the children of Turks and other Infidels yet there is no doubt but the children of such as are members of the Church by outward profession although we see not the signes of grace and election in them have right to Baptism Ph. I account godless impenitent persons living in the bosome of the Church as Infidels and Heathens and the Apostles rule is so and in the language of the Scripture they are dogs and swine to whom holy things are not to be given nor the childrens bread to be cast to them Matth. 7.6 And their children where neither Parent can be judged a believer which no notorious wicked man or woman can be are pronounced unclean 1 Corinth 7.14 How ever God may shew mercie the Church ought to judge according to outward appearance and not to admit the wicked Parents to the one Sacrament nor their children to the other without reformation in the Parents or one of them But I pray you why was not the child baptized which was brought from another Parish to your Congregation to be baptized I understand the Minister refused to baptize it Pr. It s true but it was not refused upon your ground the Minister consulted with the heads of the Parish and upon debate of the matter they concluded it was not fit it should be baptized there least it might be chargeable to the Parish Ph. I am sorrie to hear this carnal resolution from such a Minister and so long taught a people It seems some Ministers and people dare transgress the Law of God if it be for advantage As the Pharisees taught upon pretence of their Corban the Box But how doth this agree with that tenet that all children of such as are members of the Church by outward profession which all are in that Parish where that Childe was born ought to be baptized Pr. If it be a fault let him or them answer for it who did it it may be they are able to give satisfaction therein But touching that which you said before that some are to be accounted unclean we cannot censure any as profane or unclean nor keep them from the Sacrament of the Lords Supper the Minister cannot do it of himself without the Elders Church-Officers joyn with him Although the Minister know the Communicants to be prodigiously wicked or ignorant and in all probabilitie eat and drink their own judgment or damnation he cannot keep them from the Sacrament Such must be suspended by the Church before the Minister can refuse to admit them and untill then their children ought not to be denied the Sacrament of Baptisme for the reason before alledged Ph. Touching admitting all to the Lords Supper upon that ground because the Minister cannot refuse them not being prohibited by the Church you mean the Presbyterie I answer the Minister is bound to forbear to administer the Sacrament to them whom he knowes eat and drink their own judgment for the reasons aforesaid Although you have not the power of the Church-censures in your hand The reason is clear because it is alwaies a sin to give holy things to dogs and to prophane Gods Ordinances But it s no sin to forbear to administer a Sacrament upon just occasion for a time The Jews were not reproved for omission of Circumcision in the Wilderness Joshua 5.5 and the Passeover upon just occasion might be deferred for a moneth Numb 9.9.10 And although I think it no sin to communicate with the wicked in the Ordinances where I am not a personal actor nor approver of their sin but a partaker Yet it s without doubt a sin to be an actor in such a case for the actor transgresseth the rule and causeth others to transgress Pr. It seems you stumble at mixt Congregations do you ever think to finde a Church on earth so clean as not to have wicked men in it The tares will grow in the field with the wheat untill the harvest which is the end of the world Ph. I confess your mixt Parochiall Congregations do so far make mee stumble that I much question whether they can be reputed true visible Churches of Christ And I hold that manie of them are not having not the essentials either the material nor formal causes of a Church in Gospel sense but are rather the Synagogues of Satan like Priests like people and the best are leprous and very unclean I know the Tares shall grow with the wheat Matth. 13.38 but if you mean by Tares profane wicked men they shall grow in the field that is in the world not in the Church the Tares which shall be in the Church untill the harvest are hypocrites profane men shall be
Bishops which grew up within the first three hundred years after Christ and were ordained as was pretended for a remedie against Schisme and Heresie which yet proved more dangerous then the disease and made way for Antichrist the head of Prelacie The Commission granted by King Henrie the eight to the Lord Crumwell Fox Acts and Monum vol. 1. pag. 503. to visit the Clergie And the. High-Comission Stat. 1. Eliz. ch 1. granted in the first year of Queen Elizabeths Raign had as great shew and Probabilitie of doing good as these Classes and Synods And for present I conceive did some good But when wicked men became High Commissioners that proved a notable scourge to the godlie of the Land And so will your Classes and Synods in a short time when wicked and ambitious men get into the chief places and Power prove as bad if not worse because they be more then the High Commissioners who were but two and thirtie And this through the just judgment of God because these Policies are not of his appointment Pr. Why should you say so Ph. Because God never useth to bless means devised by man to accomplish his work in things appertaining to Religion especially when they come in Competition with those things which he hath appointed when men's posts are set up by God's Posts or when Go'ds means are laid aside For example God hath ordained his word and the Censures of the Church to keep and drive out the profane and to bring them to Repentance and amendment of life Instead of these the State erected or rather continued from the Papists the Spiritual Courts or rather Baudie Courts whose Officers lived upon the bloud of the best and the sin of the worst I need not tell you what profit or rather hurt came to all sorts of men by this means To come a little nearer to that which hath a little more shew of State-Religion The Parlaments of this Nation have made several Acts Ordinances for reformation of offences against profaning of the the Lords day and against swearing and drunkenness but the Church-Censures have not been used for those ends See but the effect what good these Laws have done no reformation much less any repentance in the Delinquents for the punishments touch not the heart and soul But for the present cause the sinner to rage and raile and some to vow to be avenged of those who accuse them and some to sin on purpose to provoke others who are more grieved for their transgressions then they themselvs or because of the sleight punishment appointed for expiation of such offences whereas if Gods waies were taken up he would bless the same for the conversion and amendment of such as belonged to him and the rest would either be outwardly reformed or at least left without excuse So then if these things be not of God I shall expect no good from them And can those things which are meerly prudential overtop those things which undoubtedly are of divine institution The foolishness of God is wiser then man Pr. But you said even now that those who put the Parlament upon these things have their ends and aimes in them What good or profit can they have by such Classes Synods or Appeals Ph. They do much conduce to uphold their double honour which they labour so much for I conceive the chief Engineers for contrivance of these things are the greatest and wealthiest of the pretended Clergie who have the greatest power in everie Countie which they extend to the utmost having an oare almost in everie boat and they take themselvs wronged if they may not order or contrive all designs both concerning peace and war nay and their projects reach verie far take but a view of the late great designes wherein besides their secret interests in particular States-men which they extended far and wherein they prevailed much Their publick preaching was almost nothing but Politicks in manie places Their fear was and yet is that the Parlament and Armie complying would spoil their great livings and countenance their opposites more then they and so the wheeles of their Chariots would fall of This fear they tearmed the miserie and danger of the Church as the late Arch-Priest Laud did in a case not much unlike theirs And their praiers and preaching must prevent it if possible and further their designe which was First to raise a new war and then to prepare the sillie people to entertain the Scots as avengers of the Covenant to perfect that design which was to set up that Government and Platform which they had modelled as neer the Scotch fashion as would stand with their honour and profit and by their subtiltie and earnestness they prevailed much upon the people and manie of the more religious sort believed them both in Citie and Countrie During this time they bent all their force against Rebels Hereticks Schismaticks and Sectaries which they said did much endanger the Church that is the Diana of their great Livings Well it pleased God by part of that Armie of Sectaries whom some of these men had cursed and scoffed at by the name of Saints to frustrate the design by scattering the enemies Armie almost miraculously which was not prepared for relief of the Church as our Clergie told us but to root out and destroie the godlie of the Land But the snare is broken and we are delivered blessed be God and there that design ended Now these men fall to work afresh and if you will believe them the Hereticks and Sectaries do again threaten the destruction of the Church of God and more hurt comes to the Church by these Hereticks and Sectaries then did by all the Marian Persecution and accordingly the people in manie places begin to believe them as they did before But the Center where all their lines meet and the Axis upon which they turn is their honour and profit for for if they can hold their own they have and will have all the best livings all the peoples heads under their girdles and all the power in the Classes and Synods and so upon the point the power of the Countie and of the whole Common-wealth and will without doubt reign in the Consciences of all sorts of men and incroach upon the Temporal power as much as their Predecessors the Prelates did before And this must needs conduce to their honour and profit Pr. Alas it cannot be conceived that so learned Orthodox men should aime at such ends being for the most part godly painful Preachers of the word Pr. I do not judge all Ministers but conceive many to be faithful but I speak of the most of those whom you account the best the Ringleaders chief Projectors and rigid of the Presbyterial Partie whose preaching for the most part is but reading and their Sermons for the most part Politicks either concerning Monarchical Government Libertie of the people Municipal Lawes Obedience to Princes foundations of Government Levying of Warre disbanding of Forces
the deceased which he contracted by his non-payment of Tythes whilest he was living and ought as well as other Offerings be laid aside according to that Thou shalt not bring the hire of a Whore nor the price of a dog into the house of the Lord c. And what agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols Deut. 23.18 Pr. But now I pray you according to your judgement what must become of all our Churches It seems by your argument if one may believe you they must all be plucked down as the Brownists teach what say you to that Ph. Touching the name CHURCH in your sense I do not greatly like it for it properly signifieth a Companie and is used for the companie of the faithful yet for the present I shall admit the word by a Metonymie to signifie the place of their meeting And I do not conceive there is any necessitie to pluck these Churches or meeting places down I confess I put no holiness in them and think the Congregation may as well meet in any other convenient place and that there is neither Legal nor Evangelical holiness in them And that plucking down all the Popish and superstitious pictures and Monuments of Idolatrie I do not mean the Arms of men of renown and placing a faithfull Ministerie there is a sufficient purging of these places to make them fit for the people of God to meet in for partaking of the holy Ordinances of God Pr. Why say you so These Churches were founded by Papists and have been used to Idolatrie And therefore you may as well allow of the things you speak against even now as these Churches I think both ought to be allowed indifferently Ph. I hold there is great difference First for those I spake of formerly we are sure they were the inventions of the Man of sin and its possible to shew when and how they were brought into the Church of Rome But these Churches at least manie of them are more ancient then Poperie or Antichrist for it s not possible that Antichrist could come untill the Roman Empire was broken and removed which was at least four hundred years after Christ Before which Christianitie was plentifully spread in England and many Churches and Congregations planted for the true worship of God 2 Thes 7 8. Reve. 13.2 Antiquitie with full consent agree that Christianitie was here planted in or neer the Apostles daies and that upon occasion of the Persecution that rose about Stephen Acts 11.19 divers of the Apostles and Disciples came into England amongst whom the Ancients reckon Peter Paul Joseph of Aramathea and Symon Zelotes And that some Brittaines both men and women were famous Christians and some suffered Martyrdom here in the first ten Persecutions Fox Act. Mon. vo p. 147. 148. Speeds Chron pa. Now then we cannot conceive but that the pietie and devotion of those times when they had a Christian King Lucius An. 180. pr. Christ and Christianitie countenanced and priviledged by divers of the Emperors especially Constantine and Theodosius would stir up the Christians to build them meeting places Besides about the year six hundred when Augustin the Monck falsly called the English Apostle came into England sent by Pope Gregorie the Great who had not taken upon him the Title of universal Bishop he found the reliques of manie Churches and Congregations of Christians planted in England and Wales Fox Act. Mon. vo pa. 150.151 And he disputed with the Monks of Bangor about Ceremonies by which it s conceived he brought not so much Religion with him as he did superstition and Introductions to Popery for the Brittains had learned Religion from better Tutors It s true afterwards these meeting places were generally all polluted with Popish Idolatry all which with the Reliques thereof being swept out they are clean as before Pr. But what say you to this many of our Churches were Idols Temples Goodw. Ant. Ro. ca. 20. de delubro Ph. The Parish Churches I conceive were built for the service of the true God the forms of them are unlike the Idol Temples But I confess some of the Cathedrall Churches were the Temples of Idols as of Jupiter Apollo Janus and Diana some of which are demolished and some were new built as Pauls at London by Ethelbert the King about 1060 years since At which time hee put out the Flammins and Arch-flammins and set up Arch-Bishops and Bishops These Churches were built and dedicated to Idols or rather Devils and false Gods and therefore ought to be demolished as I conceive according to that Law Ye shall destroy all the places where they served their Gods and break down their Altars c. Deut. 12.2 3 c. Pr. Well I hope shortly to see the Church-government setled with the Classes and Synods and that thereby all things will be well reformed for the Appeals will regulate every thing which is irregularly done and many will see more then a few Ph. I should be glad to see a through Reformation but I do much feare these Prudentiall things the Classes Synods and Appeals to them will prove but imprudentiall and Physicians of no value And I doubt not but those who put the Parliament upon them have their own ends and aims in them Pr. Why say you so the Church of Antioch did appeal to the Councell at Jerusalem in a case of Conscience Acts 15. and why may not we do the like Pr. I deny that there was any such Appeale as you mean its true the Church of Antioch in a case of conscience did voluntarily send Paul and Barnabas and other brethren to Jerusalem to advise with the Apostles Elders and Church there about that matter And accordingly they received the sentence and judgement of the whole Church as well Brethren as Apostles and Elders which Apostles had extraordinary gifts of knowledge and revelation and what they directed them was in stead of the written Word We have no persons so gifted in these daies but must have recourse to the Law and the Testimonies the written Word of God Pr. But do you not think that these Classes and Appeals will be of excellent use for cropping and curbing of Errors Heresies and Sectaries and keeping the Church free from pollution Ph. I am unwilling to tell you what I think of Presbyterial Gouernment I le say nothing of it but take thus much mark the end and observe it These things the Classes Synods and Appeals can never profit the Church of Christ The Appeals are in effect the same wee had before from the Arch-Deacon to the Consistory of the Bishop from thence to the Arches then to the Audience and then to the Delegates so from the Congregation Presbyterie to the Classes from the Classes to the Provinciall Synod then to the Nationall Here is work for the Civill Lawyers to wyer-draw a cause as a Proctor once said untill dooms day if he lived so long These are not so likely to do good as the superintendencie of