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A19031 An advertisement concerning a book lately published by Christopher Lawne and others, against the English exiled Church at Amsterdam. By Richard Clyfton teacher of the same church Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618. 1612 (1612) STC 5449; ESTC S118626 88,142 134

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transgression_n of_o those_o church_n and_o member_n thereof_o where_o now_o they_o be_v or_o where_o ever_o they_o shall_v be_v but_o thus_o have_v it_o please_v god_n to_o make_v we_o like_a in_o bear_v reproach_n and_o calumniation_n to_o his_o saint_n and_o people_n of_o old_a who_o feel_v the_o burden_n thereof_o to_o be_v heavy_a and_o grievous_a complain_v unto_o the_o lord_n say_v how_o long_o shall_v the_o adversary_n reproach_n shall_v the_o enemy_n blaspheme_v thy_o name_n for_o ever_o psal_n 74.10_o and_o again_o they_o utter_v forth_o their_o complaint_n say_v we_o be_v a_o reproach_n to_o our_o neighbour_n a_o scorn_n and_o derision_n to_o they_o that_o be_v round_o about_o we_o psal_n 79.4_o and_o even_o this_o be_v our_o case_n who_o also_o be_v make_v a_o reproach_n to_o our_o neighbour_n a_o jest_n and_o a_o laugh_a stock_n to_o they_o that_o be_v round_o about_o we_o have_v our_o soul_n also_o as_o they_o have_v they_o fill_v too_o full_a of_o the_o mock_n of_o the_o 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i_o be_v with_o he_o show_v great_a trouble_n in_o mind_n yet_o not_o without_o comfort_n in_o the_o lord_n who_o servant_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o he_o die_v the_o word_n utter_v by_o he_o and_o other_o circumstance_n mention_v in_o the_o letter_n aforesaid_a we_o spare_v yet_o to_o set_v down_o as_o we_o will_v also_o still_o have_v do_v the_o thing_n itself_o but_o that_o we_o be_v thus_o continual_o provoke_v hereunto_o and_o that_o we_o hope_v it_o will_v be_v for_o the_o good_a of_o other_o to_o stay_v they_o from_o such_o course_n and_o above_o all_o to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n which_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v and_o acknowledge_v in_o all_o his_o work_n and_o whereas_o it_o be_v so_o often_o object_v by_o m._n bernard_n m._n hall_n m._n white_a christopher_n lawn_n and_o other_o that_o the_o pastor_n brother_n be_v excommunicate_v among_o we_o and_o his_o father_n also_o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o yet_o never_o a_o one_o of_o they_o have_v undertake_v to_o show_v the_o cause_n to_o be_v unjust_a or_o the_o thing_n unlawful_a nay_o when_o mr._n white_a make_v it_o one_o head_n of_o his_o book_n to_o except_v what_o he_o can_v about_o the_o excommunication_n that_o have_v pass_v in_o this_o church_n and_o write_v of_o sundry_a person_n &_o their_o cause_n in_o particular_a yet_o it_o may_v be_v observe_v that_o he_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o once_o offer_v to_o insist_v upon_o they_o which_o of_o all_o other_o no_o doubt_n he_o will_v most_o of_o all_o have_v do_v if_o he_o have_v think_v he_o can_v have_v make_v any_o plea_n thereabouts_o and_o who_o will_v not_o consider_v that_o such_o as_o will_v thus_o blame_v the_o excommunicate_v of_o any_o person_n shall_v first_o be_v able_a and_o careful_a to_o show_v the_o cause_n thereof_o and_o the_o proceed_n against_o they_o to_o be_v unjust_a for_o otherwise_o if_o they_o be_v just_a and_o lawful_a so_o as_o none_o can_v except_v thereagainst_a it_o be_v the_o more_o godly_a and_o commendable_a though_o accompany_v with_o great_a trial_n when_o neither_o father_n nor_o mother_n brother_n nor_o sister_n son_n nor_o daughter_n be_v spare_v as_o in_o the_o scripture_n we_o read_v how_o moses_n commend_v and_o god_n bless_v levi_n for_o not_o know_v his_o own_o father_n or_o mother_n brethren_n or_o child_n but_o observe_v the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o do_v his_o will_n against_o they_o though_o it_o be_v to_o the_o inflict_v of_o death_n upon_o they_o deut._n 33.8.9_o with_o exod._n 32_o 26-29_a either_o therefore_o let_v man_n by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n disprove_v the_o cause_n and_o proceed_n in_o the_o excommunication_n they_o except_v against_o at_o any_o time_n or_o else_o be_v not_o able_a so_o to_o do_v the_o more_o they_o write_v against_o we_o the_o more_o it_o make_v for_o we_o in_o deed_n and_o so_o will_v be_v observe_v by_o they_o that_o be_v wise_a according_a to_o godliness_n beside_o see_v the_o party_n here_o speak_v of_o be_v now_o depart_v this_o life_n if_o 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the_o elder_n and_o other_o brethren_n it_o may_v be_v but_o one_o few_o and_o of_o much_o better_a judgement_n be_v against_o it_o 177._o m._n ain_n conterp_v p._n 177._o 3._o we_o write_v heretofore_o that_o the_o elder_n have_v the_o reins_n of_o government_n commit_v to_o they_o now_o we_o be_v teach_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o aristocratical_a yea_o that_o the_o people_n as_o king_n have_v the_o power_n and_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o people_n though_o in_o error_n be_v the_o church_n as_o be_v note_v before_o and_o so_o then_o by_o their_o opinion_n will_v follow_v that_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o people_n yea_o that_o all_o the_o people_n be_v king_n have_v the_o reins_n in_o their_o
rejoice_v one_o with_o another_o 1_o cor._n 12_o 22-26_a and_o furthermore_o how_o it_o be_v also_o affirm_v that_o in_o case_n of_o question_n and_o controversy_n the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o people_n though_o without_o &_o against_o all_o the_o elder_n and_o other_o brethren_n be_v the_o body_n and_o the_o church_n there_o speak_v of_o yea_o though_o they_o be_v in_o error_n etc._n etc._n and_o now_o in_o their_o exception_n plead_v about_o it_o they_o speak_v of_o the_o whole_a congregation_n and_o of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n in_o a_o opposition_n against_o the_o eldership_n and_o so_o seem_v here_o to_o imply_v also_o such_o a_o understanding_n thereof_o touch_v all_o which_o it_o be_v long_o to_o rehearse_v either_o what_o reason_v we_o have_v or_o what_o may_v be_v show_v about_o these_o point_n but_o some_o few_o thing_n i_o will_v note_v thereabouts_o and_o first_o if_o this_o rule_n befound_v in_o the_o book_n of_o number_n and_o law_n of_o israel_n as_o 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and_o the_o people_n to_o be_v bind_v to_o come_v &_o judge_v the_o brethren_n cause_n that_o do_v fall_v out_o from_o time_n to_o time_n and_o for_o the_o three_o scripture_n so_o allege_v by_o they_o 35.12_o num._n 35.12_o if_o it_o be_v compare_v with_o deut._n 19_o 4-12_a it_o make_v the_o point_n yet_o more_o plain_a against_o themselves_o for_o moses_n speak_v of_o one_o and_o the_o same_o matter_n in_o both_o those_o place_n 25.12_o num._n 25.12_o use_v in_o the_o one_o place_n the_o word_n congregation_n &_o in_o the_o other_o the_o term_n of_o elder_n as_o if_o he_o will_v himself_o tell_v we_o that_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o congregation_n of_o elder_n 19.12_o deut._n 19.12_o to_o which_o end_n also_o see_v josh_n 20.4.5.6_o where_o the_o same_o matter_n be_v again_o speak_v of_o &_o deut._n 19_o 15-18_a where_o after_o the_o treat_v of_o the_o former_a matter_n he_o give_v a_o general_a rule_n for_o the_o case_n that_o may_v fall_v out_o among_o they_o and_o whether_o now_o we_o shall_v believe_v moses_n or_o they_o let_v themselves_o judge_v touch_v the_o phrase_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n etc._n mat._n 18.1_o etc._n etc._n mat._n 18.1_o etc._n etc._n howsoever_o many_o have_v be_v carry_v thereby_o to_o think_v that_o this_o be_v a_o new_a rule_n and_o perteyn_a only_o to_o the_o church_n of_o the_o gospel_n since_o christ_n and_o that_o the_o people_n now_o be_v otherwise_o interest_v in_o the_o church_n government_n than_o they_o be_v in_o israel_n of_o old_a yet_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o same_o phrase_n be_v also_o speak_v of_o the_o state_n and_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n mat._n 22.2_o etc._n etc._n and_o that_o therefore_o such_o collection_n from_o this_o manner_n of_o speech_n be_v not_o sound_a and_o what_o be_v there_o here_o teach_v by_o christ_n that_o the_o jew_n shall_v not_o be_v careful_a to_o observe_v aswell_o as_o we_o shall_v not_o they_o be_v humble_a and_o harmless_a as_o little_a child_n and_o so_o enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n mat._n 18_o 14_a with_o psal_n 131.1.2_o prov._n 15.33_o and_o 16.19_o and_o 18.12_o and_o 25.6.7_o 1_o sam._n 12.3.4_o psal_n 138.6_o shall_v they_o not_o avoid_v give_v offience_n to_o other_o &_o when_o other_o offend_v they_o shall_v they_o not_o deal_v with_o they_o and_o show_v they_o their_o sin_n and_o if_o they_o do_v not_o repent_v and_o amend_v bring_v they_o to_o the_o congregation_n of_o elder_n to_o be_v further_o deal_v with_o according_a to_o their_o demerit_n or_o if_o they_o do_v repent_v forgive_v they_o mat._n 18_o 5-22_a with_o lev._n 19.14.16.17.18_o deut_n 19_o 15-19_a and_o 21_o 18-21_a and_o 25_o 5-9_a with_o ruth_n 3_o 9-13_a and_z 4_o 1-13_a 1_o sam._n 2.25_o esa_n 58.6.7_o and_o further_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n it_o may_v be_v observe_v etc._n mat._n 18.23_o etc._n etc._n that_o christ_n teach_v how_o god_n require_v man_n to_o forgive_v one_o another_o their_o sin_n under_o the_o similitude_n of_o a_o king_n take_v account_n of_o his_o servant_n propound_v it_o by_o the_o same_o phrase_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o this_o also_o be_v a_o duty_n which_o god_n require_v of_o the_o jew_v always_o aswell_o as_o of_o we_o now_o lev._n 19.18_o exod._n 23_o 4.5_o psal_n 7.4_o act._n 7_o 26._o and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n 19.13.14_o mat._n 19.13.14_o christ_n speak_v of_o little_a child_n that_o be_v bring_v unto_o he_o say_v that_o of_o such_o be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n which_o be_v always_o true_a of_o the_o infant_n and_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n as_o of_o we_o now_o but_o if_o any_o will_v gather_v hereupon_o for_o babe_n and_o little_a child_n as_o some_o do_v for_o the_o man_n woman_n &_o great_a child_n upon_o the_o like_a manner_n of_o speech_n that_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o have_v a_o hand_n in_o the_o church_n government_n and_o that_o the_o cause_n of_o sin_n and_o question_n fall_v out_o in_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v bring_v unto_o they_o aswell_o as_o to_o the_o elder_n and_o they_o bind_v to_o be_v present_a to_o hear_v and_o judge_v all_o such_o cause_n arise_v among_o the_o brethren_n i_o suppose_v the_o people_n themselves_o that_o hold_v the_o former_a opinion_n and_o make_v such_o collection_n to_o maintain_v it_o for_o the_o whole_a congregation_n yet_o will_v think_v it_o absurd_a thus_o to_o reason_n about_o the_o lesser_a child_n although_o they_o be_v of_o the_o body_n of_o the_o congregation_n &_o that_o of_o such_o also_o be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n again_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n save_o one_o 21.43_o mat._n 21.43_o matthew_n show_v how_o christ_n say_v that_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v take_v from_o the_o jew_n and_o give_v to_o the_o gentile_n a_o nation_n that_o shall_v bring_v forth_o the_o fruit_n thereof_o mat._n 21_o 43._o so_o as_o then_o by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n himself_o it_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o kingdom_n of_o god_n under_o which_o the_o jew_n be_v &_o we_o now_o be_v the_o difference_n about_o some_o worldly_a ceremonial_a and_o mutable_a thing_n neither_o do_v nor_o can_v carry_v with_o they_o a_o abolition_n of_o the_o thing_n spiritual_a moral_n and_o perpetual_a neither_o may_v we_o at_o any_o hand_n or_o under_o any_o pretence_n suffer_v ourselves_o to_o be_v make_v alien_n from_o the_o common_a wealth_n of_o israel_n as_o be_v note_v before_o for_o the_o other_o scripture_n chap._n 1_o cor._n 12._o chap._n 1_o cor._n 12_o chap._n the_o apostle_n purpose_n be_v not_o there_o to_o speak_v of_o the_o case_n and_o plea_n about_o sin_n and_o of_o the_o manner_n of_o deal_v therein_o as_o in_o mat._n 18.15_o 16_o 17._o and_o as_o our_o question_n be_v among_o we_o but_o of_o the_o diversity_n and_o inaequalitie_n of_o gift_n &_o
function_n give_v by_o the_o lord_n in_o and_o to_o his_o church_n for_o the_o help_n and_o service_n of_o all_o to_o the_o build_n up_o of_o the_o mystical_a body_n of_o christ_n whereupon_o the_o apostle_n show_v it_o also_o by_o the_o similitude_n &_o proportion_n of_o the_o member_n of_o the_o natural_a body_n and_o of_o the_o several_a faculty_n thereof_o which_o he_o appli_v and_o extend_v even_o to_o the_o feeble_a member_n and_o to_o the_o least_o and_o young_a child_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v but_o new_o baptize_v 1_o cor._n 12_o 13-22_a etc._n etc._n to_o who_o yet_o he_o appoint_v not_o the_o case_n of_o sin_n and_o plea_n of_o the_o other_o member_n of_o the_o church_n to_o be_v bring_v for_o judgement_n &_o censure_n as_o these_o man_n hereupon_o will_v infer_v and_o as_o the_o matter_n in_o question_n be_v about_o mat._n 18_o 17._o moreover_o the_o thing_n there_o speak_v of_o the_o body_n and_o of_o the_o part_n thereof_o may_v likewise_o of_o old_a be_v apply_v 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