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the_o external_a communion_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n we_o have_v without_o scruple_n former_o grant_v that_o protestant_n do_v forsake_v it_o that_o be_v renounce_v the_o practice_n of_o some_o observance_n in_o which_o the_o whole_a visible_a church_n before_o they_o do_v communicate_v but_o this_o we_o say_v they_o do_v without_o schism_n because_o they_o have_v cause_n to_o do_v so_o and_o no_o man_n can_v have_v cause_n to_o be_v a_o schismatique_a 56._o but_o your_o argument_n you_o conceive_v will_v be_v more_o convince_a if_o we_o consider_v that_o when_o luther_n appear_v there_o be_v not_o two_o distinct_a visible_a true_a church_n one_o pure_a the_o other_o corrupt_v but_o one_o church_n only_o ans_fw-fr the_o ground_n say_v history_n be_v silent_a of_o any_o such_o matter_n i_o answer_v there_o be_v no_o necessity_n that_o you_o or_o i_o shall_v have_v read_v all_o history_n that_o may_v be_v extant_a of_o this_o matter_n nor_o that_o all_o shall_v be_v extant_a that_o 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pardon_v the_o error_n of_o a_o err_a church_n yet_o certain_o it_o be_v not_o his_o will_n that_o we_o shall_v err_v with_o the_o church_n or_o if_o we_o do_v not_o that_o we_o shall_v against_o conscience_n profess_v the_o error_n of_o it_o 71._o ad_fw-la §_o 24._o but_o schismatic_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n or_o any_o other_o church_n with_o this_o very_a answer_n that_o they_o forsake_v not_o the_o church_n but_o the_o error_n of_o it_o may_v cast_v off_o from_o themselves_o the_o imputation_n of_o schism_n ans_fw-fr true_o they_o may_v make_v the_o same_o answer_n and_o the_o same_o defence_n as_o we_o do_v as_o a_o murderer_n can_v cry_v not_o guilty_a as_o well_o as_o a_o innocent_a person_n but_o not_o so_o true_o nor_o so_o just_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o may_v be_v pretend_v but_o what_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o schismatic_n they_o may_v object_v error_n to_o other_o church_n as_o well_o as_o we_o do_v to_o you_o but_o that_o they_o prove_v their_o accusation_n so_o strong_o as_o we_o can_v that_o appear_v not_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o elder_n of_o the_o jew_n impose_v that_o sacred_a silence_n mention_v in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n saint_n peter_n and_o st._n john_n answer_v they_o must_v obey_v god_n rather_o than_o man_n the_o three_o child_n to_o the_o king_n of_o babylon_n give_v in_o effect_n the_o same_o answer_n give_v i_o now_o any_o factious_a hypocrite_n who_o make_v religion_n the_o pretence_n and_o cloak_n of_o his_o rebellion_n and_o who_o see_v not_o that_o such_o a_o one_o may_v answer_v for_o himself_o in_o those_o very_a formal_a word_n which_o the_o holy_a apostle_n and_o martyr_n make_v use_v of_o and_o yet_o i_o presume_v no_o christian_a will_v deny_v but_o this_o answer_n be_v good_a in_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o martyr_n though_o it_o be_v obnoxious_a to_o be_v abuse_v by_o traitor_n and_o rebel_n certain_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o good_a consequence_n to_o say_v schismatic_n may_v make_v use_n of_o this_o answer_n therefore_o all_o that_o do_v make_v use_n of_o it_o be_v schismatic_n but_o moreover_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o chief_a part_n of_o our_o defence_n that_o you_o deny_v your_o communion_n to_o all_o that_o deny_v or_o doubt_v of_o any_o part_n of_o your_o doctrine_n can_v with_o any_o colour_n be_v employ_v against_o protestant_n who_o grant_v their_o communion_n to_o all_o who_o hold_v with_o they_o not_o all_o thing_n but_o thing_n necessary_a that_o be_v such_o as_o be_v in_o scripture_n plain_o deliver_v 72._o but_o the_o forsake_v the_o roman_a church_n open_v a_o way_n to_o innumerable_a sect_n and_o schism_n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v not_o be_v forsake_v ans_fw-fr we_o must_v not_o do_v evil_a to_o avoid_v evil_a neither_o be_v all_o course_n present_o lawful_a by_o which_o inconvenience_n may_v be_v avoid_v if_o all_o man_n will_v submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o chief_a mufty_n of_o the_o turk_n it_o be_v apparent_a therewould_a be_v no_o division_n yet_o unity_n be_v not_o to_o be_v purchase_v at_o so_o dear_a a_o rate_n it_o be_v a_o thing_n much_o to_o be_v desire_v that_o there_o be_v no_o division_n yet_o difference_n of_o opinion_n touch_v point_n controvert_v be_v rather_o to_o be_v choose_v than_o unanimous_a concord_n in_o damn_a error_n as_o it_o be_v better_a for_o man_n to_o go_v to_o heaven_n by_o divers_a way_n or_o rather_o by_o divers_a path_n of_o the_o same_o way_n than_o in_o the_o same_o path_n to_o go_v on_o peaceable_o to_o hell_n amica_fw-la pax_fw-la magis_fw-la amica_fw-la veritas_fw-la 73._o but_o there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o forsake_v the_o church_n so_o the_o doctor_n grant_v who_o notwithstanding_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v in_o point_n not_o fandamental_a therefore_o neither_o be_v the_o roman_a church_n to_o be_v forsake_v for_o such_o error_n ans_fw-fr there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o forsake_v the_o church_n absolute_o 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church_n because_o they_o hold_v it_o erroneous_a in_o necessary_a point_n what_o protestant_a be_v there_o that_o hold_v not_o that_o you_o teach_v thing_n contrary_a to_o the_o plain_a precept_n of_o christ_n both_o ceremonial_a in_o mutilate_v the_o communion_n and_o moral_a in_o point_n of_o superstition_n and_o idolatry_n and_o most_o bloody_a tyranny_n which_o be_v without_o question_n to_o err_v in_o necessary_a matter_n neither_o do_v d._n potter_n accuse_v any_o man_n of_o schism_n for_o hold_v so_o if_o he_o shall_v he_o shall_v call_v himself_o a_o schismatique_n only_o he_o say_v such_o if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o as_o affirm_v that_o ignorant_a soul_n among_o you_o who_o have_v no_o mean_n to_o know_v the_o truth_n can_v possible_o be_v save_v that_o their_o wisdom_n and_o charity_n can_v be_v justify_v now_o you_o yourself_o have_v plain_o affirm_v that_o ignorant_a protestant_n die_v with_o contrition_n may_v be_v save_v and_o yet_o will_v be_v unwilling_a to_o be_v 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say_v to_o disprove_v their_o chies_a answer_n that_o they_o leave_v not_o the_o church_n but_o her_o corruption_n 26._o another_o evasion_n d._n potter_n bring_v to_o avoid_v the_o imputation_n of_o schism_n and_o it_o be_v because_o they_o still_o acknowledge_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o not_o cut_v off_o from_o the_o hope_n of_o salvation_n and_o this_o say_v he_o clear_v we_o from_o the_o 76._o the_o pag._n 76._o imputation_n of_o schism_n who_o property_n it_o be_v to_o cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o hope_n of_o salvation_n the_o church_n from_o which_o it_o separate_v 27._o this_o be_v a_o answer_n which_o perhaps_o you_o may_v get_v some_o one_o to_o approve_v if_o first_o you_o can_v put_v he_o out_o of_o his_o wit_n for_o what_o prodigious_a doctrine_n be_v these_o those_o protestant_n who_o believe_v
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therefore_o grant_v that_o christ_n have_v a_o visible_a church_n in_o all_o age_n and_o that_o there_o can_v be_v none_o assign_v but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n it_o follow_v that_o she_o be_v the_o true_a catholic_a church_n and_o that_o those_o pretend_a corruption_n for_o which_o they_o forsake_v she_o be_v indeed_o divine_a truth_n deliver_v by_o the_o visible_a catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o that_o luther_n and_o his_o follower_n depart_v from_o she_o and_o consequent_o be_v guilty_a of_o schism_n by_o divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n which_o be_v clear_o convince_v out_o of_o d._n potter_n himself_o although_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v but_o a_o particular_a church_n for_o he_o say_v whosoever_o profess_v 67._o profess_v pag._n 67._o himself_o to_o forsake_v the_o communion_n of_o any_o one_o member_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n must_v confess_v himself_o consequent_o to_o forsake_v the_o whole_a since_o therefore_o in_o 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l._n 2._o c._n and_o as_o cardinal_n perron_n though_o mince_v the_o matter_n yet_o confess_v by_o this_o very_a irenaeus_n himself_o in_o particular_a admonish_v that_o for_o so_o small_a a_o cause_n propter_fw-la tam_fw-la modicam_fw-la causam_fw-la he_o shall_v not_o have_v cut_v off_o so_o many_o province_n from_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n and_o last_o see_v the_o ecclesiastical_a story_n of_o those_o time_n mention_n not_o other_o notable_a example_n of_o any_o such_o schismatical_a presumption_n but_o this_o of_o victor_n certain_o we_o have_v great_a inducement_n to_o imagine_v that_o irenaeus_n in_o this_o place_n by_o you_o quote_v have_v a_o special_a aim_n at_o the_o bishop_n and_o church_n of_o rome_n once_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a of_o that_o the_o place_n fit_v he_o and_o many_o of_o his_o successor_n as_o well_o as_o if_o it_o have_v be_v make_v purposely_o for_o they_o and_o this_o also_o that_o be_v which_o find_v fault_n with_o they_o who_o separate_v upon_o 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be_v and_o i_o suppose_v you_o will_v not_o go_v about_o to_o persuade_v we_o that_o they_o forsake_v themselves_o or_o their_o own_o communion_n and_o if_o you_o urge_v that_o they_o join_v themselves_o to_o no_o other_o part_n therefore_o they_o separate_v from_o the_o whole_a i_o say_v it_o follow_v not_o in_o as_o much_o as_o themselves_o be_v a_o part_n of_o it_o and_o still_o continue_v so_o and_o therefore_o can_v no_o more_o separate_v from_o the_o whole_a than_o from_o themselves_o thus_o though_o there_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o people_n of_o rome_n to_o who_o the_o plebeian_n join_v themselves_o when_o they_o make_v their_o secession_n into_o the_o aventine_n hill_n yet_o they_o divide_v themselves_o from_o the_o patrician_n only_o and_o not_o from_o the_o whole_a people_n because_o themselves_o be_v a_o part_n of_o this_o people_n and_o they_o divide_v not_o from_o themselves_o 57_o ad_fw-la §_o 18._o in_o the_o 18._o §_o you_o prove_v that_o which_o no_o man_n deny_v 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