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say_v 35._o let_v all_o the_o congregation_n stone_v he_o and_o 36._o all_o the_o congregation_n bring_v he_o without_o the_o host_n and_o stone_v he_o now_o by_o m._n johnsons_n own_o grant_n they_o who_o the_o judge_n condemn_v do_v die_v 19_o by_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o people_n who_o be_v it_o then_o that_o can_v see_v the_o congregation_n here_o to_o mean_v both_o elder_n and_o people_n so_o in_o the_o other_o place_n num._n 27.2_o when_o they_o stand_v before_o moses_n and_o eleazar_n the_o priest_n and_o before_o the_o prince_n and_o all_o the_o congregation_n this_o distribution_n of_o the_o person_n together_o with_o the_o place_n the_o door_n of_o the_o tabernacle_n of_o the_o congregation_n may_v show_v that_o the_o elder_n only_o be_v not_o mean_v beside_o in_o the_o same_o chapter_n josua_n be_v there_o ordain_v over_o the_o congregation_n etc._n etc._n it_o can_v with_o any_o colour_n be_v gather_v that_o the_o elder_n only_o be_v the_o congregation_n num._n 27.16.17.19.20_o etc._n etc._n wherefore_o when_o one_o scripture_n mention_v the_o elder_n jos._n 20.4_o and_o a_o other_o the_o congregation_n num_fw-la 32.12_o jos._n 20.6_o we_o shall_v not_o restreyn_n it_o to_o the_o lesser_a but_o let_v the_o scripture_n have_v the_o large_a sense_n unless_o apparent_a reason_n do_v urge_v a_o restreynt_a which_o be_v not_o here_o but_o the_o contrary_n for_o if_o they_o be_v to_o die_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o people_n conscience_n require_v the_o people_n to_o hear_v their_o cause_n try_v also_o see_v the_o law_n charge_v every_o one_o 23.7_o thou_o shall_v not_o slay_v the_o innocent_a and_o the_o righteous_a and_o it_o be_v not_o safe_a for_o they_o to_o trust_v their_o judge_n which_o so_o often_o and_o so_o many_o way_n corrupt_v judgement_n 3.3_o as_o all_o the_o prophet_n do_v complayn_v it_o be_v therefore_o a_o evil_a argument_n to_o say_v in_o israel_n by_o one_o scripture_n man_n be_v send_v to_o the_o elder_n &_o by_o a_o 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call_v 19.7_o for_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n and_o propose_v unto_o they_o all_o these_o thing_n shall_v we_o now_o conclude_v therefore_o the_o covenant_n be_v make_v with_o the_o elder_n only_o who_o see_v not_o the_o weakness_n of_o such_o consequent_n and_o that_o it_o be_v usual_a in_o scripture_n to_o name_v but_o the_o principal_a of_o a_o company_n and_o yet_o to_o include_v other_o with_o they_o notwithstanding_o between_o israel_n and_o we_o there_o be_v two_o main_a difference_n the_o one_o that_o church_n minister_v now_o have_v not_o such_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n over_o the_o people_n as_o be_v proportionable_a to_o the_o magistrate_n authority_n then_o for_o this_o be_v forbid_v mat._n 20_o 25._o where_o christ_n say_v the_o ruler_n of_o the_o nation_n have_v domination_n over_o they_o and_o they_o that_o be_v great_a exercise_n authority_n over_o they_o but_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o among_o you_o and_o 1._o pet._n 5.2_o 3._o feed_v the_o flock_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n not_o as_o have_v domination_n over_o his_o heritage_n the_o other_o be_v that_o they_o be_v a_o national_a church_n &_o the_o magistrate_n in_o the_o gate_n of_o jerusalem_n the_o priest_n in_o the_o temple_n be_v for_o the_o whole_a realm_n it_o can_v not_o be_v that_o all_o the_o people_n shall_v be_v present_a at_o the_o daily_a judgement_n of_o the_o magistrate_n or_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o priest_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o require_v so_o of_o they_o as_o now_o it_o be_v of_o we_o who_o be_v but_o particular_a church_n to_o be_v present_a at_o all_o public_a administration_n of_o christ_n kingdom_n and_o priesthood_n yea_o even_o in_o their_o most_o solemn_a assembly_n they_o can_v not_o do_v as_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o do_v for_o they_o do_v eat_v the_o passover_n etc._n in_o their_o private_a house_n because_o all_o the_o thowsand_n of_o israel_n can_v not_o eat_v it_o in_o one_o room_n but_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o eat_v the_o passover_n now_o i_o mean_v the_o lord_n supper_n in_o etc._n the_o public_a church_n and_o not_o otherwhere_o whereas_o therefore_o they_o next_o except_v that_o the_o people_n be_v 600._o thousand_o man_n and_o will_v we_o have_v they_o to_o think_v that_o they_o come_v together_o to_o hear_v examine_v and_o judge_v the_o case_n of_o sin_v etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v no_o neither_o all_o the_o elder_n for_o i_o have_v before_o show_v there_o be_v divers_a officer_n for_o several_a cause_n and_o boaz_n take_v but_o 4.2_o ten_o of_o the_o elder_n of_o bethlehem_n to_o hear_v his_o cause_n the_o elder_n also_o do_v meet_v by_o themselves_o as_o there_o be_v occasion_n and_o so_o be_v 21.18_o they_o to_o do_v now_o second_o for_o this_o exception_n of_o so_o many_o thousand_o in_o the_o wilderness_n that_o can_v not_o come_v to_o hear_v and_o judge_v they_o shall_v mind_v how_o the_o same_o lie_v against_o the_o execution_n when_o god_n say_v of_o the_o blasphemer_n 14.14_o let_v all_o the_o congregation_n stone_v he_o will_v they_o say_v six_o hundred_o thousand_o man_n come_v together_o to_o do_v it_o yet_o themselves_o grant_v this_o be_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o people_n it_o be_v as_o easy_a for_o they_o to_o come_v to_o hear_v his_o cause_n try_v as_o to_o come_v and_o stone_n he_o and_o care_v of_o equity_n teach_v they_o to_o do_v the_o first_o as_o well_o as_o the_o last_o as_o before_o be_v show_v next_o they_o except_v against_o our_o expound_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n mat._n 18.1_o etc._n etc._n to_o be_v the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n since_o christ_n this_o they_o say_v be_v not_o sound_a because_o the_o same_o phrase_n be_v speak_v of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n mat._n 22.2_o etc._n etc._n i_o answer_v this_o their_o reason_n be_v unsufficient_a for_o i_o can_v so_o except_v against_o the_o exposition_n almost_o of_o any_o scripture_n by_o show_v a_o diverse_a use_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o word_n when_o th'apostle_n prove_v christ_n excellency_n above_o the_o angel_n because_o 1.4.5_o of_o his_o name_n the_o son_n of_o god_n the_o jew_n may_v allege_v that_o the_o angel_n be_v also_o call_v 2.1_o son_n of_o god_n yea_o holy_a 14.1_o man_n have_v the_o like_a title_n but_o be_v this_o a_o sufficient_a answer_n well_o i_o will_v not_o stâ—ive_v with_o they_o about_o the_o phrase_n although_o in_o some_o place_n they_o may_v see_v the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n oppose_v to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o jew_n church_n as_o mat._n 11.11_o but_o as_o the_o prophet_n tell_v we_o of_o 5.17_o new_a heaven_n under_o the_o gospel_n so_o will_v i_o distinguish_v and_o call_v the_o jewish_a church_n the_o old_a heaven_n as_o that_o which_o be_v 12.26.27_o shake_v and_o remove_v and_o the_o christian_a church_n the_o new_a heaven_n of_o which_o the_o gospel_n usual_o speak_v as_o repent_v for_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n be_v at_o hand_n mat._n 3.2_o &_o 4.17_o now_o when_o the_o disciple_n ask_v jesus_n 2._o who_o be_v the_o great_a in_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n the_fw-mi may_v be_v reason_n of_o their_o demand_n touch_v the_o christian_a church_n then_o to_o be_v plant_v but_o to_o ask_v such_o a_o thing_n about_o the_o jewish_a church_n i_o see_v little_a reason_n they_o know_v already_o the_o state_n of_o it_o and_o who_o be_v chief_n therein_o second_o christ_n answer_n lead_v we_o hereto_o for_o there_o be_v great_a expectation_n of_o that_o kingdom_n and_o a_o erroneous_a persuasion_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v a_o glorious_a worldly_a state_n christ_n tell_v they_o the_o contrary_a that_o it_o be_v for_o the_o 4._o convert_v and_o humble_a soul_n to_o enter_v into_o that_o many_o scandal_n and_o offence_n shall_v arise_v herein_o both_o from_o 7._o the_o world_n and_o from_o man_n corruption_n 8._o in_o themselves_o and_o from_o etc._n
excommunication_n four_o if_o some_o will_v thus_o cavil_v against_o moses_n law_n which_o require_v 10._o the_o hand_n of_o all_o the_o people_n to_o stone_n a_o wicked_a man_n and_o ask_v whether_o woman_n also_o and_o child_n must_v be_v present_a &_o cast_a stone_n he_o may_v have_v as_o good_a colour_n for_o his_o question_n as_o have_v these_o if_o not_o better_o for_o these_o say_v 19_o in_o jsrael_n such_o as_o will_v not_o hearken_v to_o the_o priest_n &_o judge_n be_v to_o die_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o people_n and_o the_o proportion_n that_o they_o cast_v for_o the_o people_n now_o be_v 34._o that_o they_o shall_v put_v the_o sentence_n in_o execution_n by_o avoid_v the_o excommunicate_v person_n now_o i_o think_v they_o will_v have_v woman_n yea_o and_o child_n also_o to_o avoid_v excommunicate_v person_n so_o then_o by_o proportion_n woman_n &_o child_n in_o israel_n must_v cast_v stone_n at_o malefactor_n yea_o this_o may_v be_v further_o urge_v against_o they_o by_o reason_n of_o a_o pregnant_a note_n which_o they_o give_v in_o their_o 8.9_o treatise_n on_o mat._n 18_o that_o that_o be_v such_o a_o church_n as_o where_o woman_n may_v speak_v &_o be_v to_o be_v hear_v in_o their_o case_n and_o plea_n as_o well_o as_o man_n but_o it_o be_v not_o permit_v to_o woman_n to_o speak_v in_o the_o church_n of_o the_o saint_n etc._n etc._n where_o either_o they_o aequivocate_v with_o this_o word_n speak_v use_v it_o in_o divers_a sense_n a_o common_a sophist_n practice_n of_o such_o as_o will_v deceiv_v or_o they_o must_v permit_v woman_n to_o have_v voice_n and_o suffrage_n as_o well_o as_o man_n in_o all_o their_o church_n of_o elder_n and_o so_o by_o their_o proportion_n woman_n be_v to_o cast_v stone_n in_o israel_n for_o if_o woman_n be_v to_o do_v execution_n now_o why_o not_o then_o also_o 5._o now_o whereas_o they_o intimate_v to_o the_o reader_n as_o if_o we_o will_v have_v all_o man_n examine_v rebuke_n admonish_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o elder_n they_o do_v but_o labour_v the_o disgrace_n of_o the_o holy_a order_n in_o the_o church_n where_o the_o minister_n as_o the_o mouth_n of_o the_o congregation_n propound_v examine_v and_o carry_v matter_n and_o then_o the_o people_n if_o there_o be_v defect_n or_o default_n may_v speak_v in_o due_a order_n but_o if_o in_o matter_n or_o manner_n they_o transgress_v they_o be_v to_o bear_v their_o rebuke_n all_o thing_n in_o the_o public_a judgement_n of_o the_o church_n be_v carry_v holy_o peaceable_o and_o by_o the_o government_n of_o the_o elder_n even_o as_o in_o election_n of_o officer_n in_o pprophecy_n or_o any_o other_o thing_n wherein_o man_n have_v liberty_n for_o to_o speak_v and_o when_o the_o minister_n carry_v thing_n well_o we_o common_o find_v it_o as_o in_o act._n 15.12_o that_o all_o the_o multitude_n keep_v silence_n otherwise_o strife_n and_o sometime_o disorder_v do_v often_o arise_v by_o the_o evil_a deal_n of_o the_o elder_n 6._o it_o be_v also_o to_o be_v 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what_o concord_n have_v christ_n with_o belial_n so_o he_o will_v not_o cease_v there_o but_o justify_v the_o curse_a mass_n by_o like_a reason_n to_o be_v the_o bless_a supper_n of_o our_o lord_n for_o it_o be_v the_o same_o church_n that_o enjoy_v these_o 2._o sacram_fw-la ts_o the_o same_o priest_n minister_v they_o both_o in_o the_o same_o babylonish_n unknown_a language_n both_o of_o they_o have_v christ_n institution_n abuse_v by_o the_o man_n of_o sin_v and_o as_o water_n be_v in_o their_o baptism_n so_o bread_n and_o wine_n be_v in_o their_o mass_n as_o in_o baptism_n they_o use_v the_o 28.19_o name_n of_o the_o father_n the_o son_n &_o the_o holy_a ghost_n so_o in_o the_o mass_n they_o use_v 26.26_o take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n etc._n etc._n now_o why_o shall_v one_o of_o these_o sacrament_n be_v true_a and_o not_o a_o other_o all_o that_o be_v not_o antichrist_n bondman_n detest_v his_o mass_n as_o a_o monstrous_a idol_n let_v they_o that_o list_v honour_v his_o 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