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A68315	The examinations of Henry Barrowe Iohn Grenewood and Iohn Penrie, before the high commissioners, and Lordes of the Counsel. Penned by the prisoners themselues before their deathes	Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut; Penry, John, 1559-1593. aut	1596 (1596)	STC 1519; ESTC S113168	32,537	34

called he Watson the pursuvāt and O. Cussins a part into a windowe where he made a warrant to send me to prison B. ●ow shal not touch one haire of my head without the wil of my heauenly father A. Nay I wil doe this to rectifie yow B. Consider what yow doe yow shal one day answer it A. Yow wil not sweare yow wil not enter bond for your appearance B. I wil put in band for my baile in the prison and for my true imprisonment A. Nay that wil not serue the turne M r. Doctor enter these thinges Then Cussins wrote that I refused to sweare and enter bond ● I wil send some to yow to conferre A. B That were more requisite before my imprisonment So the Arch B. delivered me to the pursuvant to ●arie me to the 〈…〉 where I as yer 〈…〉 neither knowing the cause of my imprisonment neither haue I as yet heard from him I was no sooner out of his howse but I remembred the place in controversie it is written 1. Cor. 6. 12. Al thinges are lawful for me but al thinges are not profitable I may doe al thinges but I wil not be brought vnder the power of any thing The lord knoweth to deliver the god● out of t●ntation and to rese●●e the ●●●ust vnto the day of Judgement vnder punishment THe 27. of November 8. daies after I was commited by Cant. to the Gatehowse I was sent for by one of his servantes to make appearance before the high Commissioners at Lambeth whither he and my keepers man Nitholas caried me There I found a very great traine without but within a goodlie Synode of Bbs. Oeanes Civilians etc. beside such an apparance of wel-fedde silken Preistes as I suppose might wel haue b●seemed the ●aticaue where after to my no smal greif I had heard a scholemaister deny his maister Christ I was called CAnterburie with a grimme and an angrie countenance beholding me made discourse how I refused to sweare on a book etc. as fel out in our first meeting and demannded whither I were now better advised and would sweare I answered that I would not refuse to sweare vpon due occasion and circumstances C. Wil yow then now sweare B. I must first know to what C. So yow shal afterward B. I wil not sweare vnlesse I know before C. Wel I wil thus far satisfie your humour London begā to interrupt but Cant cut him of and produced a paper of obiections against me which he delivered to one Beadle to read It conteyned much matter and many suggestions against me disorderly framed according to the malitious humour of mine accuser as that I denyed God to haue a true church in England and to proue this the 4. principal causes framed in way of argumēt as the worship of God with vs is jdolatrie ergo no true church They haue an Antichristian and jdolatrous ministerie ergo no true church ffurther he saith that the reverend father in God my lords grace of Cant. and al the Bps. of the land are Antichristes ffurther he saith that al the ministers in the land are theeues and m●●therers and secret hypocrites and that al the preachers of the land are hirelinges That Mr. Wiggington and Cartwright straine at a gnat and swollow a camel ●●urther he 〈…〉 a● writers as ●a●vin Beza etc. and saith that al catechismes are idolatrous and not to be vsed The reasons to these were vntrulie and disorderley set downe accordingly in the bil which I cannot rehearse L. How say yow Mr. Deane of Pauls here is for yow yow haue written a catechisme Cant. This fellow dea●es indifferently he makes vs al alike Thus far haue I satisfied yow now yow know what yow shal sweare vnto how say yow wil yow sweare now Lond. My Lordes grace doth not shew this favour to many Can. ffetch a book Bar. It is needles C. Why wil yow not sweare now B. An oath is a matter of great importance and requireth great consideration But I wil answer yow truly Much of the matter of this bil is true but the forme is false C. Goe to sirra answer directlie wil yow sweare reach him a book B. Ther is more cause to sweare mine accuser I wil not sweare C. Where is his keeper yow shalnot prattle here Away with him clap him vp close close let no man come at him I wil make him tel an other tale per I haue done with him Ther was an article against me in the bil for saying that I thought Elders were Bisshops and Philip. 1. 1. produced here by I plainly discouer mine accuser to be Thornelie of Norwich with whom I had communication at Ware as I rode to London and never talked with any other about this matter THe effect and so neere as my fraile memorie could cary away the very wordes of such interrogatories and answers as were demāded of and made by me Henry Barrowe before certeyne Commissioners ther vnto especially appointed by her Maiestie namely the two L. cheef Justices the maister of the Rolles the L. cheef Baron and another Baron of the Exthequor I thinck Baron Gente togither with the Arch B. of Cant the B. of London the B. of Winchester certaine of their Chan●ellors and ●●uil Doctors with their Registers and Scribes The 24. of March I being brought before the Arch B of Cant he made knowne vnto me that they were authorised by her Maiestie to examine me vpon my oath vpon certaine interrogatories and therfore called for a booke ther was brought a great bible in folio faire bound which the Arch B. refused and called for an other which was held to me by 〈…〉 Bar. To what ende Cant. To sweare B. I haue not learned to sweare by any creatures Cant. This is the word of God the Bible B. I began to open the book and meant in deed to haue asked him if the Apocrypha scripture and notes which were in it were the word of God but Cant. belike suspecting some such matter would not suffer me to look into it to whom then I answered that that booke was not the eternal Word of God that eternal God himselfe by whom onely I must sweare and not by any bookes or Bibles Cant. So yow shal sweare by God Bar. To what purpose then is this booke vrged I may sweare by nothing besides him nor by nothing with him Winch. How proue yow that B. It is so commanded in the book of the law Deut. 6. and 10. Chapt. so expounded by sundrie of the prophets by Christ himselfe and his Apostles Cant. Wel wil yow sweare that yow wil answer nothing but the truth and the whole truth to such Interr as we shal demaund of yow B. I haue learned to know the matter before I either sweare or answer Cant. Set downe that he wil not sweare L. E. Justice Yow shal onely sweare to answer the truth if any vnlawful thing be demaunded of yow yow need not answere B. My Lord euery truth requireth

slanders The chief justice of Engl. here saide that he thought I answered very directly and compendiously Here againe vpon some speech that arose the Judge Anderson asked me whither I thought it lawful to hang a theef or no I answered that ther were many kinde of theeues as sacrilegious theeues men stealers etc. that these ought by the lawes of God to die Then he said he meant ordinary theeues of goodes and chattels I said that God in the law had ordeyned an other kinde of punishment for such whervpon the Bb. framed this question Q. 9. Whither it be lawful for the Prince to alter the iudicial lawe of Moses according to the state of her countrie and pollicie or no A. I ought to be wise in sobrietie and not to answer more then I know Great doubt and controversie hath bene about this question a long time but for my part I can not see that any more of the iudicial law was or can be abrogated by any mortal man or countrie vpon what occasion soeuer then belonged to the ceremonial law and worship of the Temple for which we haue received other lawes and worship in Christes testament but that the iudgementes due and set downe by God for the transgression of the moral law cānot be changed or altered without iniury to the moral law and God himselfe Yet this as al my other answers by protestation that if any man can better instruct me therin by the word of God I am alwayes ready to change my minde Whervpon the cheif Justice of Engl. said I spake wel and therfore said if I were in doubt mine answer ought not to be taken I said I doubted not but had set downe my minde Yet the Bbs. because my answer fitted not their turnes as I thinke commaunded the question and answer to be blotted out Q. 10 Whither he thinketh that any priuate man may take vpon him to reforme if the Prince wil not or neglect I asked whither they meant of a publick reformation of the state or of a private or personal reformation of himself and his family it was said of a publick reformation A. I thinke that no man may intermedle with the Princes office without lawful calling thervnto and therfore it is vtterly vnlawful for any priuate man to reforme the state without his good liking and license because the Prince shal account for the defaultes of his publick gouerment and not priuate men so they be not guiltie with the Prince in his offences but absteine and keep them selues pure from doing or consenting to any vnlawful thing commaunded by the Prince which they must doe as they tender their owne saluation Q. 11. Whither he thinketh that euery parish or particuler church ought to haue a Presbyterie A. The holy gouernment of Christ belongeth not to the prophane or vnbeleeuing neither can it without manifest sacrilege be set ouer these parishes as they now stande in confusion no differēce made betwixt the faithful and vnbeleeuing al being in differently receiued into the body of the church but ouer euery particuler congregation of Christ ther ought to be an eldership and euery such congregation ought to their vtter most power to endeuour thervn●● Now was I dismissed and committed againe to my keeper with streight charge that no man might speak to me During this time others of my brethren were examined which being done I was called for in vnto them where Cant. shewed me the statute of supremacie and asked me if I would take an oath according to the same I said that in that forme I could not neither could I sweare to such successors as I knew not but to her Maiestie I acknowledged her authoritie as I had expressed in my article and protested my life in defence of her person prerogatiue and dignitie loyally against al foreme and domestical enemies whither spiritual or temporal The Arch B. said that the Papistes made a better and more dutiful oath then this I said it was not true they denyed not neither defied the Pope but I was ready to giue and performe as much vnto my Prince as any true subiect ought to doe He asked me againe whither the church of Christ if the Pruite deny or refuse to neglect abuses may without staying for the Prince reforme them I said that it might and ought though al the Princes of the world should prohibit the same vpon paine of death He asked me againe whither the church of Christ might excommunicate the Prince and who should pronounce it I said that sin obstinatly stood in did excommunicate and that the church ought to haue judgemēt ready against euery transgression without respect of persons and that the Pastor of the church ought to pronounce it and alleaged that excommunication was giuen vnto the church as the onely and last remedie for the saluation of the partie in such cases and that the neglect therof was both the neglect of Gods iudgementes their dutie and the Princes saluation and that they might as wel take away al admonitions and reprehensions from Princes and so Princes were in a most miserable case These my answers were not written with mine owne hand but by the Register And so was I sent againe with moe commaundementes yet to keep me more streightly I requested at both times a copy of my answers but the Arch B. denyed it me VPon the 18. day of the 3. moneth I Henry Barrowe close prisoner in the ffleet was sent for in al post hast by one ●agland a Gent. of the L. Chancellors to his Lordes chamber at the court at White-hall wher being arriued I found in a withdrawing chamber 12. of the brethren among a great number of other attendances with whom I could not haue any one word But after that ●●gland had signified my coming I was forthwith sent for into that chamber where sate at the boord the Arch B. in his pontificalibus the L. Chancellor the L. Treasurer the L. Buchhurst the B. of Lond. in his pontificalibus at the lower ende of the chamber stood Dr. Some Justice Young and others BEing kneeled downe at the ende of the table the L. Treasurer began and asked me my name which when I had told him he asked me if I had not bene sometime of the court I answered that I had sometime frequēted the court he said he remembred me not L. Treas Why are yow in prison Barrowe B. I am in prison my Lo. vpon the statute made for recusantes L. Treas Why wil yow not goe to church B. My whole desire is to come to the church of God L. Tre. Thow art a fantastical fellow I see but why not to our churches B. My Lo. the causes are great and many it were too long to shew them in particuler but breifly my Lo. I can not come to your church because al the profane and wicked of the lande are receiued into the body of your church 2. Yow haue a false and Antichristian ministery set ouer your church

sinne Q. Whither may the Prince make lawes in the gouerment of the church or no A. The Scripture hath set downe sufficient lawes for the worship of God and gouerment of the church to which no man may adde or diminish Q. What say yow to the Princes supremacie is her maiestie supreme head of the church ouer al causes as wel ecclesiastical as temporal A. A supreme magistr●●● ouer al persons to punish the euil and defend the good Q. Euer al causes etc. A. No Christ is onely head of his church and his lawes may no man alter Q. The pope giueth th●● much to the Prince A. No that he doth not he setteth himself aboue Princes ●nd exempteth his preisthod from the magestrates sword Q. What say yow to the oath of the Queenes supremacie wil yow answer to it If these ecclesiastical orders be meant such as be agreeable vnto the scriptures I wil for I deny al forreigne power Q. It is meant the order and government with al the lawes in the church as it is now established A Then I wil not answer to approue thereof A breif summe of the examination of John Penrie by the right worshipful Mr. Fanshaw and Mr. Justice Young the 10. of the fourth moueth April 1593. Fansh IT is strange vnto me that yow hold such opinions Penry as none of the learned of this age or any of the martyrs of former times mainterned Can yow shew any writers either old or new that haue bene of your iudgement Penr I hold nothing but what I wilbe bound to proue out of the written word of God and wil shew in regard of the special pointes controverted to haue bene mainteyned by the holy martyrs of this land who first assailed the Babylonis● Romane kingdome as namely by Mr. Wicliffe Mr. Brute Mr. Purvey Mr. White etc. with many other the famous witnesses and martyrs of Christ in former times and by Mr. Tindal Mr. Lambert Mr. Barnes Mr. Lat●●er etc. the lordes most blessed witnesses of this latter age I spea● nothing here of the doctrine and practise of the reformed churches mother countries whom I haue wholly of my side in the controversies of greatest moment F. But doe the martyrs teach yow that ther is no church of Christ in England P. If yow meane by a church as the most doe that publick profession wherby men doe professe saluation to be had by the death and righteousnes of Jesus Christ I am free from denping any church of Christ to be in this land for I know the doctrine touching the holy trinitie the natures and offices of the Lord Jesus free iustification by him both the Sacramentes etc. published by her maiesties authoritie and commaunded by her lawes to be the Lordes blessed and vndoubted truthes without the knowledge and profession wherof no saluation is to be had F. Seing yow acknowledge that her maiestie hath established the truth in so many weightie pomtes seing she hath commaunded the true Sacramentes to be administred what mislike yow in our church and why wil yow not be partaker of these truthes and Sacramentes with vs. P. I mislike 1. the false ecc●estastical offices 2. the manner of caling vnto the offices 3. a great parte of the workes wherin these false officers are imployed 4. the maintenance or livinges wherby they are mainteyned in their offices al which I wilbe bound to proue by the Lords helpe to be deriued not from Jesus Christ but from the kingdome of Antichrist his great enemie And therfore for as much as I cannot be partaker of the former holy thinges of God but I must be subiect vnto the power of Antichrist in these officers and knowen by those markes wherby his subiectes are noted therfore I am enforced and bound to seek the comfort of the word and Sacramentes wher I may haue them without the submitting of my self vnto any ecclesiastical power in religion saue onely vnto that which is deriued from Christ Jesus the Lord in whom al fulnes of power dwelleth Col. 1. 19. and from whom al those must deriue their power and office vnto whom the saintes of God are to submitte their consciences to be wrought vpon in religion Againe seing the forenamed 4. enormities of this church are markes which properly belong vnto the kingdome of the Beast viz. of the Romane Antichrist we dare not haue any communion and fellowship with them nor be knowen by them least we should be partakers of those most fearful and most dreadful iudgementes which are denounced by the spirit of God against al those that haue communion with any of the irreligious inventions of that Beast Reuel 14 9. 10. These are the thinges togither with the want of Christes true order which I especially mislike and the special causes why I dare not ioyne with the assemblies of this Land 1. the false offices wherby these assemblies are guided and by whom the whole worship is performed in them 2. their manner of caling 3. a great part of the devised workes wherin these officers are conversant 4. the livinges consecrated sometimes vnto Idols for the most part wherby they are susteyned in their offices F. What offices meane yow P. I meane the offices of Lord Arch Bbs. and Bbs. Archdeatons Commissaries Chancellors Oeanes Canons Prebendaries Preistes Deacons etc. Al which properly belong to no other bodie either 〈…〉 or 〈…〉 but onely vnto the Romish Church wh●●● they were first invented where they now are and by whom they were left in this lande when the head of that body the Pope and some other of his members were cast out by her maiestie and our soueraigne Lord her noble father The church of Christ is perfect without them in al her offices the ciuil state is absolute without them for they are ecclesiastical Heathen idolatrie hath them not and requireth them not onely the kingdome of Antichrist can in no wise be whole and entire without them wherof as I say they are visible and knowne members Now if it be not lawful for me or any other member of Christ to be subiect vnto the orders and cerimonies of the old law as circumcision etc. Which sometimes were the Lordes owne blessed ordinances how can it be but sin vnto vs to be subiect to the constitutions of Antichrist the maine adversarie of the Lo. Jesus The Lord hath not deliuered vs from the Yoke of his owne law that we should be in bondage vnto the inventions and order of Antichristes kingdome and offices F. Belike yow would haue no other offices in the church now in the time of peace and prosperitie then were in the Apostles dayes vnder persecution P. Ther is great reason we should not for if the order left by Moses in the church was not to be altered to be diminished or added vnto except it were by special commaundement from the Lord 1. Chron. 28 19. then may not any man or Angel but upon the same warrant adde any thing vnto that holy forme which the sonne of