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account_n give_v both_o of_o man_n knowledge_n and_o grace_n be_v in_o not_o better_o and_o safe_a that_o a_o set_v and_o stand_a rule_n be_v by_o common_a agreement_n make_v according_a to_o god_n word_n for_o trial_n of_o both_o and_o this_o one_o and_o the_o same_o for_o substance_n at_o least_o in_o all_o the_o church_n durable_a and_o to_o continue_v the_o same_o without_o variation_n unless_o upon_o cogent_a necessity_n write_v and_o record_v and_o so_o make_v public_a not_o only_o to_o the_o church_n and_o their_o member_n who_o be_v to_o be_v measure_v thereby_o but_o also_o to_o other_o church_n who_o it_o may_v concern_v to_o know_v what_o their_o sister-churche_n do_v and_o how_o they_o walk_v in_o the_o lord_n for_o want_v of_o such_o a_o rule_n by_o the_o course_n which_o they_o use_v many_o inconvenience_n may_v follow_v as_o in_o the_o strong_a that_o can_v speak_v better_o may_v grow_v spiritual_a pride_n of_o their_o own_o ability_n and_o contempt_n of_o other_o that_o 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mistake_n either_o on_o the_o right_n or_o left_a hand_n either_o in_o the_o understanding_n of_o divine_a truth_n or_o in_o lay_v out_o the_o true_a and_o certain_a evidence_n of_o grace_n yea_o difference_n and_o discord_n between_o several_a church_n or_o the_o member_n of_o the_o same_o church_n thereabouts_o and_o about_o the_o person_n admit_v or_o repulse_v admittable_a or_o not_o admittable_a into_o the_o church_n verbal_a declaration_n either_o make_v by_o a_o man_n self_n or_o else_o draw_v out_o of_o he_o by_o interrogatory_n touch_v the_o manner_n of_o his_o conversion_n from_o point_n to_o point_n and_o what_o evidence_n he_o can_v show_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o his_o grace_n of_o his_o sound_a faith_n and_o sincere_a repentance_n h._n w._n to_o t._n s._n say_v let_v none_o trouble_v himself_o for_o a_o certificate_n it_o will_v not_o avail_v he_o whosoever_o he_o be_v that_o come_v though_o the_o best_a know_v and_o most_o eminent_o godly_a must_v be_v examine_v etc._n etc._n 6._o this_o declaration_n be_v make_v first_o in_o private_a before_o either_o some_o of_o the_o officer_n or_o other_o person_n betrust_v with_o the_o examination_n of_o the_o person_n to_o be_v admit_v and_o after_o also_o in_o c._n in_o why_o may_v not_o the_o officer_n or_o some_o prime_a man_n with_o they_o betrust_v with_o their_o private_a examination_n be_v sufficient_a and_o their_o testimony_n satisfactory_a to_o the_o church_n for_o a_o member_n to_o be_v admit_v as_o well_o as_o for_o a_o whole_a church_n to_o be_v approve_v as_o in_o chap._n 5._o follow_v of_o the_o inconvenience_n of_o bring_v all_o thing_n to_o the_o examination_n of_o the_o multitude_n see_v after_o it_o have_v be_v inform_v and_o be_v credible_a that_o multitude_n of_o our_o english_a in_o n._n e._n yea_o the_o major_a part_n of_o they_o be_v there_o out_o of_o church_n order_n and_o so_o both_o they_o and_o they_o live_v little_o better_a than_o heathen_n some_o of_o which_o before_o they_o go_v be_v here_o repute_v good_a folk_n and_o godly_a people_n but_o be_v not_o this_o our_o brethren_n rigour_n one_o of_o the_o cause_n thereof_o if_o it_o be_v they_o have_v need_v to_o have_v very_o clear_a and_o sound_a ground_n for_o what_o they_o do_v or_o else_o it_o will_v be_v a_o heavy_a reckon_n for_o they_o one_o day_n that_o many_o among_o they_o be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n see_v apol._n p._n 33_o 36._o ans_fw-fr to_o 32_o quest_n p._n 7._o master_n f._n to_o i._n b._n e._n o._n to_o w._n r._n and_o some_o good_a one_o too_o i._o p._n to_o w._n r._n a._n m._n to_o master_n c._n public_a before_o all_o the_o church_n though_o never_o so_o many_o and_o that_o so_o as_o to_o the_o conviction_n and_o satisfaction_n of_o they_o all_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 23_o 24._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 62._o 70._o apol._n p._n 2_o 3_o 4._o r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 6._o j._n w._n to_o t._n s._n 7._o when_o any_o member_n of_o any_o of_o the_o church_n of_o their_o own_o way_n go_v from_o one_o church_n to_o another_o other_o another_o i_o see_v no_o reason_n for_o this_o difference_n nor_o warrant_v for_o this_o distinction_n of_o member_n temporary_a or_o transient_a and_o fix_v in_o this_o case_n if_o such_o exactness_n must_v be_v have_v in_o the_o one_o i_o see_v not_o why_o it_o shall_v be_v dispense_v with_o in_o the_o other_o only_a as_o traveller_n or_o sojourner_n for_o the_o time_n they_o be_v admit_v to_o sacrament_n only_o bring_v with_o they_o letter_n of_o recommendation_n from_o their_o own_o church_n ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 29._o but_o when_o any_o such_o member_n come_v from_o one_o of_o their_o church_n to_o another_o to_o be_v admit_v as_o a_o fix_a member_n there_o than_o he_o be_v not_o admit_v notwithstanding_o any_o letter_n of_o recommendation_n or_o any_o other_o testimonial_a or_o evidence_n whatsoever_o without_o such_o a_o new_a before_o new_a by_o this_o strict_a course_n they_o tell_v we_o they_o have_v see_v much_o good_a to_o follow_v both_o in_o the_o discover_n and_o cashier_v of_o some_o unsound_a both_o in_o opinion_n and_o grace_n and_o in_o the_o convince_a humble_v and_o convert_v of_o other_o apol._n p._n 3._o 35._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 69._o but_o 1._o all_o man_n know_v that_o success_n alone_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o legitimate_a any_o course_n 2._o they_o tell_v we_o what_o good_a have_v come_v thereby_o but_o they_o do_v not_o tell_v we_o what_o evil_a how_o many_o godly_a have_v be_v keep_v out_o of_o church-societie_n by_o this_o mean_n some_o because_o they_o dare_v not_o offer_v themselves_o to_o trial_n other_o because_o they_o can_v not_o satisfy_v so_o curious_a a_o multitude_n with_o the_o evidence_n of_o their_o grace_n and_o some_o because_o they_o approve_v not_o the_o course_n and_o therefore_o can_v not_o submit_v unto_o it_o but_o of_o the_o inconvenience_n of_o this_o course_n see_v before_o examination_n as_o aforesaid_a and_o as_o if_o he_o have_v never_o be_v examine_v nor_o admit_v into_o church-societie_n before_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 29_o 30._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 62._o apol._n p._n 2_o 7_o 9_o 35._o 8._o notwithstanding_o all_o this_o rigour_n and_o strictness_n sometime_o they_o will_v assure_v we_o that_o the_o church_n use_v great_a indulgence_n in_o their_o trial_n and_o stoop_v unto_o very_o they_o very_o if_o it_o be_v the_o mind_n of_o god_n that_o they_o shall_v be_v so_o strict_a &_o that_o upon_o the_o reason_n aforesaid_a viz._n lest_o they_o shall_v admit_v a_o harlot_n into_o the_o bosom_n of_o christ_n in_o stead_n of_o a_o chaste_a spouse_n how_o can_v they_o remit_v any_o degree_n of_o that_o rigour_n contrary_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o god_n if_o it_o be_v not_o his_o mind_n how_o dare_v man_n
the_o lord_n in_o our_o particular_a calling_n shun_v idleness_n as_o the_o bane_n of_o any_o state_n nor_o will_v we_o deal_v hardly_o or_o oppress_o with_o any_o 9_o we_o will_v also_o to_o our_o best_a ability_n teach_v our_o child_n and_o servant_n the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o will_n that_o they_o may_v serve_v he_o also_o o._n h._n 11._o this_o covenant_n thus_o distinguish_v from_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n they_o hold_v to_o be_v that_o covenant_n which_o be_v sequuntur_fw-la be_v here_o be_v a_o piece_n or_o two_o of_o such_o divinity_n as_o i_o never_o hear_v or_o read_v before_o but_o uno_fw-la absurdo_fw-la dato_fw-la mille_fw-la sequuntur_fw-la seal_v by_o the_o sacrament_n and_o for_o the_o seal_n and_o ratify_v of_o which_o the_o sacrament_n be_v principal_o ordain_v of_o god_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v administer_v only_o to_o such_o as_o be_v first_o enter_v into_o this_o covenant_n as_o seal_n thereof_o apol._n p._n 15_o 19_o 31._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 63_o 66._o and_o therefore_o that_o such_o person_n as_o by_o their_o condition_n can_v join_v in_o church_n covenant_n nor_o live_v in_o church_n fellowship_n with_o a_o set_a society_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o partake_v in_o sacrament_n apol._n p._n 39_o 41._o see_v robins_n justif_n p._n 80_o 110._o though_o i_o do_v not_o find_v the_o brownist_n so_o solicitous_o to_o distinguish_v between_o the_o church_n covenant_n and_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n as_o these_o our_o brethren_n do_v 12._o such_o as_o be_v admit_v into_o their_o church_n infant_n by_o the_o covenant_n of_o their_o parent_n be_v not_o yet_o permit_v to_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n when_o they_o come_v to_o year_n until_o they_o have_v first_o run_v through_o all_o the_o foresay_a course_n of_o this_o of_o what_o if_o upon_o examination_n they_o prove_v neither_o convince_o gracious_a as_o want_v expect_v evidence_n nor_o yet_o open_o scandalous_a as_o be_v overpowred_n with_o god_n ordinance_n and_o good_a education_n and_o government_n what_o shall_v become_v of_o they_o then_o admit_v as_o member_n to_o the_o lord_n supper_n they_o shall_v not_o be_v and_o excommunicate_v i_o trow_v they_o can_v just_o be_v by_o this_o rule_n they_o must_v remain_v in_o a_o middle_a condition_n neither_o of_o the_o church_n nor_o without_o the_o church_n and_o what_o warrant_n have_v we_o for_o this_o public_a and_o private_a examination_n profession_n of_o faith_n declaration_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o conversion_n and_o personal_a vocal_a express_v enter_v into_o the_o same_o covenant_n as_o other_o of_o year_n have_v before_o they_o do_v and_o as_o if_o they_o have_v never_o be_v receive_v member_n before_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 20_o 21._o chap._n v._n of_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o first_o erect_v of_o a_o visible_a church_n 1._o 15._o 1._o the_o reader_n may_v perhaps_o think_v in_o read_v these_o two_o first_o article_n some_o fault_n to_o be_v in_o the_o collectour_n that_o so_o foul_a a_o contradiction_n shall_v be_v hold_v but_o if_o there_o be_v any_o fault_n it_o must_v be_v none_o but_o their_o own_o either_o in_o hold_v and_o practise_v thing_n in_o themselves_o so_o contradictory_n or_o else_o in_o report_v to_o we_o such_o thing_n as_o they_o neither_o hold_v nor_o practice_v but_o this_o contradiction_n will_v yet_o appear_v more_o foul_a when_o we_o consider_v what_o will_v after_o follow_v that_o they_o hold_v it_o not_o only_o lawful_a to_o do_v it_o without_o their_o consent_n but_o also_o sometime_o necessary_a to_o do_v it_o against_o their_o consent_n of_o which_o see_v chap._n 15._o any_o small_a number_n almost_o of_o person_n so_o fit_v as_o before_o they_o hold_v may_v lawful_o unite_v themselves_o into_o a_o church_n body_n by_o enter_v into_o the_o church_n covenant_n aforesaid_a and_o so_o may_v constitute_v themselves_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n without_o any_o authoritative_a consent_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n suppose_v there_o be_v one_o or_o of_o the_o neighbour_a church_n or_o their_o minister_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 43._o robin_n justif_n p._n 181_o 182._o 2._o yet_o a_o truth_n a_o the_o law_n doubtless_o be_v good_a as_o from_o the_o magistrate_n but_o how_o do_v this_o agree_v with_o that_o opinion_n which_o too_o many_o of_o they_o among_o we_o that_o run_v the_o same_o church-course_n with_o these_o brethren_n hold_v that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o the_o first_o table_n unless_o the_o public_a peace_n be_v break_v he_o be_v to_o force_v no_o man_n against_o his_o conscience_n too_o or_o fro_o but_o leave_v every_o man_n to_o follow_v his_o own_o light_n and_o religion_n also_o as_o it_o be_v a_o agreement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o minister_n i_o the_o rather_o like_o it_o because_o it_o seem_v to_o amount_v to_o little_o less_o in_o substance_n then_o a_o compound_n presbytery_n set_v up_o among_o they_o the_o rather_o if_o we_o add_v what_o the_o same_o h.p._n tell_v we_o that_o they_o have_v also_o agree_v among_o themselves_o that_o no_o man_n shall_v preach_v or_o vent_v any_o new_a or_o uncouth_a tenant_n until_o he_o have_v first_o communicate_v they_o with_o the_o neighbour_a minister_n a_o very_a good_a canon_n especial_o for_o these_o time_n wherein_o man_n run_v a_o mad_n after_o novelty_n and_o nicety_n under_o the_o false_a pretence_n of_o a_o new_a light_n and_o new_a truth_n law_n be_v make_v in_o their_o general_a court_n civil_a that_o no_o church_n shall_v be_v there_o set_v up_o without_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o magistrate_n and_o neighbour_n church_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n yea_o as_o mr_n h.p._n inform_v we_o not_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o five_o or_o six_o of_o the_o neighbour_a church_n at_o the_o least_o 3._o the_o he_o the_o here_o be_v another_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n in_o act_n though_o not_o in_o rule_n if_o this_o be_v needful_a at_o the_o first_o erection_n of_o a_o church_n that_o each_o shall_v try_v and_o know_v other_o spirit_n why_o not_o also_o after_o at_o the_o admission_n of_o every_o member_n he_o to_o try_v and_o know_v their_o spirit_n as_o well_o as_o they_o he_o person_n intend_v to_o enter_v into_o church_n estate_n do_v before_o hand_n often_o meet_v private_o among_o themselves_o to_o be_v inward_o acquaint_v with_o each_o other_o spirit_n by_o confer_v pray_v together_o and_o mutual_o examine_v each_o other_o until_o they_o have_v approve_v themselves_o to_o one_o another_o conscience_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n which_o when_o they_o have_v thorough_o do_v in_o private_a than_o they_o agree_v together_o to_o enter_v into_o a_o church_n estate_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n ‑_o h.w._n to_o mr_n b._n 4._o which_o before_o they_o do_v notice_n be_v give_v thereof_o to_o the_o magistrate_n and_o neighbour_a church_n that_o so_o such_o as_o please_v may_v be_v present_a at_o the_o time_n and_o place_n 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