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time_n of_o its_o reformation_n cite_v for_o it_o the_o testimony_n of_o arch_a bishop_n cranmer_n and_o other_o mr._n foulis_n i_o know_v speak_v of_o that_o book_n call_v he_o a_o bold_a fellow_n that_o publish_v it_o and_o affirm_v that_o he_o little_o understand_v the_o compass_n and_o merit_n of_o that_o controversy_n i_o like_v not_o the_o rudeness_n of_o these_o and_o other_o expression_n of_o like_a nature_n he_o there_o use_v and_o i_o forbear_v to_o repeat_v yet_o i_o can_v willing_o join_v with_o he_o so_o far_o in_o charity_n as_o to_o impute_v it_o rather_o to_o inadvertence_n than_o design_n in_o my_o adversary_n do_v not_o this_o new_a charge_n of_o idolatry_n seem_v but_o too_o apparent_o to_o be_v but_o a_o clinch_a of_o the_o nail_n which_o he_o have_v drive_v before_o to_o the_o head_n for_o if_o the_o form_n of_o church-government_n be_v mutable_a as_o the_o secular_a power_n well-advised_a shall_v see_v reason_n what_o great_a reason_n can_v there_o be_v for_o 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