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A25216 A reply to the Reverend Dean of St. Pauls's reflections on the Rector of Sutton, &c. wherein the principles and practices of the non-conformists are not only vindicated by Scripture, but by Dr. Stillingsfleet's Rational account, as well as his Irenicum : as also by the writings of the Lord Faulkland, Mr. Hales, Mr. Chillingworth, &c. / by the same hand ; to which is added, St. Paul's work promoted, or, Proper materials drawn from The true and only way of concord, and, Pleas for peace and other late writings of Mr. Richard Baxter ... Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703.; Barret, John, 1631-1713. 1681 (1681) Wing A2919; ESTC R6809 123,967 128

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a_o aggravate_v tyranny_n to_o deprive_v christ_n servant_n of_o benefit_n so_o precious_a and_o so_o dear_o buy_v ibid._n p._n 120._o §_o 9_o q._n 40._o whether_o christ_n be_v not_o the_o institutor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o have_v not_o himself_o make_v law_n which_o be_v sufficient_a to_o be_v at_o least_o the_o bond_n of_o their_o unity_n yea_o for_o more_o than_o essential_o even_o the_o integral_n and_o many_o accident_n and_o have_v not_o he_o give_v law_n to_o regulate_v all_o man_n law_n that_o determine_v of_o needful_a undetermined_a accident_n and_o whether_o any_o man_n shall_v be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o church_n or_o take_v as_o separate_v that_o break_v no_o law_n of_o god_n necessary_a to_o church-unity_n and_o communion_n and_o whether_o the_o grand_a schismatic_n of_o the_o world_n be_v not_o the_o engineer_n that_o fabricate_a needless_a impossible_a divide_v term_n and_o condition_n of_o unity_n and_o communion_n answ._n to_o dr._n sill._n serm._n p._n 88_o 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without_o dissemble_v as_o themselves_o and_o do_v but_o as_o they_o will_v be_v do_v by_o second_v plea_n for_o pe●●_n p._n 156._o §_o 37._o yea_o if_o many_o of_o the_o child_n of_o the_o church_n be_v injudicious_o scrupulous_a when_o fear_n of_o sin_n and_o hell_n be_v the_o cause_n whether_o a_o tender_a pastor_n will_v not_o abate_v they_o a_o ceremony_n in_o such_o a_o case_n when_o his_o abate_n it_o have_v no_o such_o danger_n lb._n §_o ●6_n q._n 46._o whether_o unmerciful_a pastor_n do_v not_o tempt_v the_o people_n to_o question_v whether_o they_o be_v send_v of_o god_n whether_o the_o people_n will_v not_o judge_n of_o pastor_n as_o sol●mon_n of_o the_o true_a mother_n of_o the_o child_n that_o the_o merciful_a and_o love_a be_v the_o true_a pastor_n and_o the_o hartful_a be_v the_o usurper_n lb._n p._n 156_o 157._o §_o 39_o q._n 47._o whether_o they_o that_o can_v bear_v with_o such_o as_o understand_v not_o the_o essential_o of_o christianity_n and_o with_o drunkard_n swearer_n fornicator_n etc._n etc._n in_o their_o constant_a congregation_n and_o communion_n and_o yet_o will_v not_o bear_v with_o a_o honest_a godly_a christian_a that_o differ_v from_o their_o way_n of_o worship_n in_o no_o great_a matter_n than_o a_o ceremony_n have_v not_o something_o more_o amiss_o within_o than_o a_o ceremony_n ib._n p._n 162._o §_o 48._o and_o whether_o the_o soul_n of_o such_o as_o some_o call_v humorous_a peevish_a or_o wilful_a be_v not_o worth_n more_o than_o some_o of_o that_o they_o call_v their_o liberty_n worth_a more_o than_o a_o needless_a ceremony_n judgement_n of_o nonconformist_n in_o second_o plea_n p._n 66._o q._n 5._o q._n 48._o whether_o as_o every_o hypocrite_n will_v be_v very_o religious_a so_o far_o as_o he_o can_v subject_v the_o true_a common_a religion_n to_o his_o own_o interest_n and_o lust_n so_o every_o enemy_n of_o peace_n will_v not_o seem_v zealous_a for_o peace_n so_o that_o his_o own_o peace_n be_v make_v the_o rule_n of_o the_o common_a peace_n that_o all_o man_n be_v bring_v to_o centre_n in_o his_o interest_n and_o take_v their_o peace_n on_o his_o term_n from_o he_o second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 149._o q._n 49._o whether_o all_o the_o argument_n for_o unity_n and_o peace_n which_o be_v make_v use_n of_o against_o toleration_n by_o prelatist_n and_o all_o the_o mischief_n of_o division_n which_o they_o aggravate_v do_v not_o principal_o fall_v on_o themselves_o if_o it_o prove_v that_o they_o be_v the_o great_a cause_n of_o division_n and_o hinderer_n of_o church-concord_n ib._n p._n 180._o §_o 88_o whether_o they_o do_v not_o condemn_v themselves_o who_o cry_v down_o schism_n while_o they_o unavoidable_o cause_v it_o and_o whether_o overdo_a term_n of_o church-union_n and_o concord_n be_v not_o the_o certain_a engine_n of_o schism_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 121._o §_o 11._o
judgement_n and_o the_o untruth_n of_o what_o they_o have_v believe_v of_o we_o ibid._n p._n 85._o and_o whether_o we_o may_v not_o suppose_v that_o satan_n be_v afraid_a of_o their_o ministry_n who_o have_v stir_v up_o so_o much_o opposition_n against_o it_o sacril_n desert_n p._n 84._o q._n 64._o whether_o popery_n will_v come_v in_o ever_o the_o more_o for_o nonconformist's_a preach_v whether_o such_o will_v preach_v for_o or_o against_o it_o or_o ever_o the_o ●ss_n if_o they_o renounce_v their_o ministry_n ibid._n p._n 82._o whether_o they_o that_o cry_v out_o of_o the_o danger_n of_o popery_n infidelity_n profaneness_n and_o heresy_n and_o yet_o have_v rather_o let_v they_o all_o in_o then_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o exercise_v that_o ministry_n to_o which_o we_o be_v consecrate_v in_o poverty_n and_o subjection_n and_o while_o they_o cry_v out_o of_o division_n will_v not_o lay_v by_o the_o divide_v engine_n shall_v rather_o accuse_v we_o or_o themselves_o if_o the_o evil_n overwhelm_v we_o which_o they_o seem_v to_o fear_v ibid._n p._n 137_o 138._o q._n 65._o when_o any_o be_v unjust_o cast_v out_o of_o their_o parish-church_n whether_o all_o minister_n be_v thereupon_o oblige_v or_o allow_v to_o desert_n or_o neglect_v they_o ib._n p._n 21._o q._n 66._o if_o a_o patient_n will_v not_o take_v a_o medicine_n from_o one_o man_n hand_n whether_o will_v not_o the_o physician_n consent_n that_o another_o shall_v give_v it_o he_o whether_o will_v the_o father_n let_v the_o infant_n famish_v if_o it_o will_v take_v food_n from_o none_o but_o its_o mother_n and_o whether_o will_v there_o be_v need_n of_o the_o best_a conformist_n as_o minister_n if_o the_o people_n have_v no_o fault_n or_o weakness_n ibid._n p._n 125_o 126._o what_o if_o they_o culpable_o will_v hear_v no_o other_o be_v it_o better_a to_o let_v they_o hear_v none_o at_o all_o than_o that_o we_o preach_v to_o they_o answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 59_o or_o 61._o q._n 67._o whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o deny_v total_a communion_n with_o a_o church_n and_o another_o to_o separate_v but_o secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la for_o some_o act_n or_o part_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o separate_v local_o by_o bodily_a absence_n and_o another_o mental_o by_o schismatical_a principle_n whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o depart_v wilful_o and_o another_o to_o be_v unwilling_o cast_v out_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o one_o thing_n to_o depart_v rash_o and_o in_o haste_n and_o another_o to_o depart_v after_o due_a patience_n when_o reformation_n appear_v hopeless_a first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 38_o 39_o q._n 68_o when_o the_o public_a good_a require_v nonconformist_n to_o hold_v distinct_a assembly_n for_o assistance_n in_o doctrine_n worship_n and_o discipline_n as_o near_o as_o they_o can_v according_a to_o the_o will_n of_o god_n to_o further_o not_o to_o disgrace_v or_o hinder_v the_o honest_a parish-minister_n whether_o be_v these_o separate_a church_n any_o more_o than_o chapel_n be_v or_o distinct_a church_n more_o than_o secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la hold_v personal_a communion_n in_o a_o godly_a conversation_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o christian_n in_o the_o parish_n and_o also_o sometime_o assemble_v with_o they_o sacril_n desert_n p._n 22_o 23._o or_o whether_o those_o that_o do_v their_o best_a to_o keep_v up_o the_o reputation_n of_o the_o public_a conformable_a ministry_n to_o further_a love_n and_o concord_n and_o the_o success_n of_o their_o labour_n with_o the_o people_n and_o profess_v to_o take_v their_o own_o assembly_n but_o as_o chapel_n and_o not_o as_o distinct_a much_o less_o as_o separate_v church_n yea_o and_o those_o who_o do_v administer_v sacrament_n and_o do_v that_o which_o be_v like_o the_o separatist_n way_n yet_o do_v it_o not_o on_o their_o principle_n but_o pro_fw-la tempore_fw-la till_o god_n shall_v give_v they_o opportunity_n to_o serve_v he_o in_o the_o establish_a way_n it_o be_v reform_v or_o well-ordered_a parish-church_n under_o the_o government_n and_o countenance_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n which_o be_v most_o agreeable_a to_o their_o desire_n whether_o such_o i_o say_v be_v just_o account_v separatist_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 246._o q._n 69._o whether_o we_o may_v not_o set_v up_o other_o church_n when_o we_o be_v necessary_o keep_v from_o those_o establish_v by_o public_a power_n ib._n p._n 77._o q._n 70._o whether_o it_o be_v schism_n to_o preach_v and_o gather_v church_n and_o elect_v and_o ordain_v pastor_n and_o assemble_v for_o god_n worship_n against_o the_o law_n and_o will_n of_o heathen_a mahometan_n or_o infidel_n prince_n that_o forbid_v it_o as_o the_o christian_n do_v for_o 300_o year_n and_o if_o there_o be_v the_o same_o cause_n and_o need_n whether_o it_o be_v any_o more_o schism_n to_o do_v it_o against_o the_o law_n and_o will_n of_o a_o christian_a prince_n for_o 1._o be_v not_o christ_n law_n equal_o obligatory_a 2._o be_v not_o soul_n equal_o precious_a 3._o be_v not_o the_o gospel_n and_o god_n worship_n equal_o necessary_a 4._o and_o do_v his_o christianity_n enable_v he_o to_o do_v more_o hurt_v than_o a_o pagan_a may_v do_v or_o more_o good_a ibid._n p._n 51_o 52._o q._n 71._o if_o competent_a pastor_n be_v set_v over_o half_a the_o parish_n in_o a_o kingdom_n and_o the_o other_o half_o have_v incompetent_a man_n or_o if_o nine_o part_n of_o a_o kingdom_n be_v competent_o supply_v and_o but_o the_o ten_o part_n have_v not_o such_o set_n over_o they_o to_o who_o the_o people_n may_v lawful_o commit_v the_o pastoral_n care_n of_o their_o soul_n whether_o be_v it_o schism_n or_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o a_o duty_n for_o those_o that_o be_v destitute_a to_o get_v the_o best_a supply_n they_o can_v and_o whether_o be_v it_o schism_n or_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o a_o duty_n for_o faithful_a minister_n though_o forbid_v by_o superior_n to_o perform_v their_o office_n to_o such_o people_n that_o desire_v it_o ibid._n p._n 83._o if_o the_o magistrate_n appoint_v 20000_o or_o 10000_o or_o one_o half_a of_o a_o parish_n to_o be_v exclude_v for_o want_n of_o room_n and_o teacher_n be_v it_o not_o ill_o suppose_v that_o the_o gospel_n be_v true_o and_o sufficient_o preach_v to_o they_o to_o who_o it_o be_v not_o preach_v at_o all_o or_o do_v it_o prove_v it_o not_o necessary_a to_o they_o that_o it_o be_v preach_v to_o other_o ans._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 22._o and_o whether_o be_v not_o the_o general_a ordination_n of_o minister_n with_o the_o people_n necessity_n and_o consent_n add_v to_o god_n general_n command_v to_o all_o his_o minister_n to_o be_v faithful_a and_o diligent_a a_o sufficient_a oblige_a call_n to_o such_o ministration_n without_o the_o will_n of_o prohibit_v superior_n yea_o against_o it_o and_o otherwise_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o it_o be_v at_o the_o will_n of_o a_o man_n whether_o soul_n shall_v be_v save_v or_o damn_v for_o how_o shall_v they_o believe_v unless_o they_o hear_v and_o how_o shall_v they_o hear_v without_o a_o preacher_n and_o at_o the_o will_n of_o man_n whether_o christ_n shall_v have_v a_o church_n and_o god_n be_v public_o worship_v or_o not_o first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 48._o and_o whether_o do_v not_o the_o indispensible_a law_n of_o nature_n oblige_v every_o man_n according_a to_o his_o place_n and_o call_v his_o ability_n and_o opportunity_n to_o do_v his_o best_a to_o propagate_v christ_n gospel_n and_o to_o save_v man_n soul_n as_o much_o and_o more_o than_o to_o feed_v man_n body_n and_o save_v their_o life_n and_o whether_o be_v not_o minister_n special_o oblige_v to_o do_v it_o by_o their_o call_v as_o minister_n of_o christ_n thereto_o devote_v ibid._n q._n 72._o there_o be_v so_o many_o sort_n of_o church_n in_o the_o world_n as_o universal_a national_a patriarchal_a provincial_a or_o metropolitical_a diocesan_n classical_a parochial_a congregational_a whether_o must_v it_o not_o be_v hard_a to_o give_v a_o just_a decision_n of_o the_o question_n from_o which_o of_o these_o and_o when_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o separate_v till_o it_o be_v first_o know_v which_o of_o those_o be_v of_o divine_a and_o which_o of_o humane_a institution_n and_o which_o humane_a church_n be_v necessary_a which_o lawful_a and_o which_o sinful_a ibid._n p._n 7._o how_o be_v it_o prove_v and_o how_o come_v it_o to_o be_v any_o great_a matter_n to_o separate_v from_o a_o church-●orm_a which_o god_n never_o make_v answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 33._o q._n 73._o whether_o they_o that_o say_v those_o species_n national_a patriarchal_a provincial_a diocesan_n be_v of_o god_n must_v not_o prove_v that_o god_n institute_v they_o in_o scripture_n or_o else_o that_o he_o give_v some_o man_n power_n to_o institute_v they_o since_o scripture-time_n and_o till_o the_o same_o be_v prove_v
hear_v of_o sermon_n &c_n &c_n and_o that_o frequent_o too_o to_o be_v lawful_a now_o this_o be_v more_o than_o you_o allow_v to_o dissenter_n pag._n 98._o no_o man_n deny_v that_o more_o place_n for_o worship_n be_v desirable_a and_o will_v be_v very_o useful_a where_o they_o may_v be_v have_v and_o the_o same_o way_n of_o worship_n and_o order_n observe_v in_o they_o as_o in_o our_o parochial_a church_n where_o they_o may_v be_v under_o the_o same_o inspection_n and_o ecclesiastical_a government_n but_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o mr._n b._n shall_v think_v the_o case_n alike_o where_o the_o order_n of_o our_o church_n be_v constant_o neglect_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o bishop_n be_v slight_v and_o contemn_v and_o such_o meeting_n be_v keep_v up_o in_o affront_n to_o they_o and_o the_o law_n here_o you_o say_v in_o effect_n that_o let_v parish_n be_v never_o so_o large_a and_o the_o necessity_n of_o soul_n never_o so_o urgent_a the_o assembly_n of_o dissenter_n be_v not_o 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church_n with_o the_o donatist_n if_o occasion_n so_o require_v and_o ibid._n p._n 209._o in_o all_o public_a meeting_n pretend_v holiness_n so_o there_o be_v nothing_o do_v but_o what_o true_a devotion_n and_o piety_n break_v why_o may_v not_o i_o be_v present_a in_o they_o and_o use_v communication_n with_o they_o 2_o the_o particular_a force_n of_o that_o text_n phil._n 3._o 16._o as_o far_o as_o you_o have_v already_o attain_v walk_v by_o the_o same_o rule_n etc._n etc._n and_o one_o will_v think_v such_o as_o have_v attain_v so_o much_o knowledge_n as_o to_o see_v it_o lawful_a to_o join_v with_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o some_o part_n of_o w●●ship_n may_v know_v it_o can_v but_o be_v as_o lawful_a at_o least_o to_o join_v in_o worship_n with_o non-conformists'_a 5._o be_v you_o not_o partial_a when_o you_o lay_v this_o down_o p._n 157._o as_o one_o of_o the_o provoke_a sin_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n that_o they_o have_v be_v so_o backward_o in_o do_v what_o they_o be_v convince_v they_o may_v have_v do_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n when_o they_o be_v earnest_o press_v to_o it_o by_o those_o in_o authority_n etc._n etc._n yet_o you_o tell_v we_o not_o what_o thing_n those_o be_v neither_o the_o time_n when_o they_o be_v press_v thereunto_o and_o refuse_v the_o same_o and_o i_o never_o hear_v of_o any_o motion_n or_o overture_n for_o peace_n that_o be_v reasonable_a make_v to_o they_o which_o they_o refuse_v but_o you_o never_o take_v notice_n of_o it_o as_o any_o provoke_a sin_n in_o those_o that_o will_v not_o hearken_v to_o their_o most_o just_a and_o earnest_a petition_n for_o peace_n may_v not_o they_o with_o a_o good_a conscience_n have_v forbear_v those_o needless_a imposition_n which_o they_o very_o well_o know_v will_v be_v so_o grievous_a and_o burdensome_a to_o many_o and_o may_v not_o so_o much_o have_v be_v expect_v from_o they_o as_o they_o will_v profess_v themselves_o to_o be_v for_o unity_n and_o peace_n may_v i_o not_o here_o return_v your_o own_o word_n pag._n 159._o be_v ever_o schis●●_n make_v so_o light_a a_o matter_n of_o and_o the_o peace_n and_o unity_n of_o christians_n value_v at_o so_o low_a a_o rate_n that_o for_o the_o prevention_n of_o the_o one_o and_o the_o preserevation_n of_o the_o other_o a_o thing_n that_o be_v lawful_a may_v not_o be_v do_v or_o as_o i_o will_v say_v that_o the_o impose_v of_o thing_n indifferent_a and_o not_o necessary_a in_o their_o own_o judgement_n but_o thing_n doubtful_a or_o unlawful_a in_o the_o judgement_n of_o other_o may_v not_o be_v forbear_v now_o sir_n be_v you_o for_o palliate_a so_o great_a sin_n as_o the_o cause_v of_o schism_n and_o dissension_n in_o the_o church_n when_o you_o know_v the_o obligation_n which_o lie_v upon_o all_o christian_n to_o preserve_v the_o peace_n and_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n which_o you_o give_v we_o again_o p._n 209._o and_o i_o find_v you_o cite_v these_o word_n of_o a._n b._n laud_v in_o your_o rational_a account_n p_o 324_o nor_o be_v he_o a_o christian_n that_o will_v not_o have_v unity_n may_v he_o have_v it_o with_o truth_n but_o i_o never_o say_v nor_o thought_n that_o the_o protestant_n make_v this_o rent_n dissent_v protestant_n say_v we_o the_o cause_n of_o the_o schism_n be_v you_o for_o you_o thrust_v we_o from_o you_o because_o we_o call_v for_o truth_n and_o redress_v of_o abuses_n and_o there_o at_o the_o end_n of_o pag._n 102._o you_o can_v not_o but_o judge_v it_o a_o very_a prudent_a expression_n of_o his_o lordship_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o such_o a_o shre●_n to_o h●r_v child_n as_o to_o deny_v her_o blessing_n or_o denounce_v a_o anathema_n against_o they_o if_o some_o peaceable_o dissent_v in_o some_o particular_n remote_a from_o the_o foundation_n etc._n etc._n where_o i_o observe_v