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A85046 The doctrine of schism fully opened and applied to gathered churches. Occasioned by a book entituled, Sacrilegious dissertion of the holy ministery rebuked; and tolerated preaching of the Gospel vindicated. / By The author of Toleration not to be abused by the Presbyterians. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1672 (1672) Wing F2501A; ESTC R177345 75,715 184

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