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A85399 Innocencies triumph. Or An answer to the back-part of a discourse lately published by William Prynne, Esquire, intituled, A full reply, &c. The said back-part beginning at the foot of pag. 17. with this superscription; certain briefe animadversions on Mr. John Goodvvins Theomachia, &c. Published by authoritie. By John Goodvvin, pastor of the Church in Colemanstreet. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1644 (1644) Wing G1174; Thomason E14_10; ESTC R15803 18,790 28

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