Christian Conngregation IF Christ Iesus the author fiinisher of owre faith haue constituted confirmed the ministration of the new Testament perfect for all ages persons how to serue him according to his vvyll then your liturgye drawen out of the Popes portuis is not only Idolatrous superstitious a deuised vvorship the inuentions precepts of men in stead of the liuelye graces present guifts of his spirit wherby men call vppō his name but a bondle of infinite grosse blasphemous errors yea euen a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or counterfeit gospell not only set aboue the gospell of Christ but dyrectly instituting an other ministry ministracōn then Christ hath commended commaunded to his Church till his apearing in the clouds to iudgmēt vnto vvhich Idoll and huge Chaos of long gathered patched errors all your ministery is sworne vvherby they renounce Christs Testamēt must administer by this liturgye babling ouer the seuerall parcells therof as thei are lymited prescribed stinted from yeare to yeare day to day By which liturgye or new gospell the priests of that order are approued sufficient without preaching or the guyft of teaching and the repeating of that 〈◊〉 booke accompted sufficient for all mens saluation And if anie do preache his doctrines must be conformed to the orders hereof The errours in this Idolatrous booke conteyned vvould not be easely repeated in half a day yet this vve are able to proue that it instituteth apointeth another ministery ministration in all points then Christs Testament hath confirmed not only peruerting making of no effect the ordinances of God concerning the vvorship of his people but establishing another in the place therof as in theire prayers Sacraments fasts feasts offrings purifications maryages buryalls c. manifestly apeareth 4. That the Church of England as it is novve established is no entire member of the Church of Christ. THe Common vvealth of England or parish assemblies as they gennerally stand vnder subiect vnto the aforesaide vvorship ministery consisting of all sorts of vncleane spirits Atheists papists hereticks c. are not the true apparant established Churches of Christ or communion of saincts and so by outward profession they neither being gathered from the vvorld to the obedyence of Christ neither hauing power or freedom to practice Christs Testament as the truth is reuealed are no entire member of the body of Christe 5. That the gouernment of the Church of England as it is novv established is no lavvfull gouernment nor Christian but antichristian and popish HAuing in the former articles sufficiently proued theire worship ministerye to be Idolatrous forbidden in the second Cōmaundment as all apochripha inuentions of men It is euident to all men confessed of owre enemies that the ministers lawes other ordinācs wherby the parish assemblies are gouerned are not such as Christ apointed to his Church of Pastor Teacher Elders Deacons c. But by such officers Courts Cannons as are hatched from Rome as Archb. L. BBs c. whose titles office or administracōns were neuer heard of in the scriptures 6. That the Sacraments of Babtisme the Lords Supper as they are administred in the Church of England be not true Sacraments THere neither being lawfull ministery to administer nor faithfull holye free people orderly gathered vnto the true true outward professiō of Christ as we haue before shewed and consequently no Couenant of grace the Sacraments in these assēblies of Babtisme and the Lords supper gyuē vnto Atheists papists vvhoremasters drunkerds theire seede delyuered also after a superstitious maner according to theire liturgye and not according to the institution rules of Christs Testament are no true Sacraments nor seales vvith promise 7. That infants ought not to be baptised according to the forme of Babtisme ministred novv in the Church of England but are rather to be kept vnbaptized NO godly Christians seperat from the false Church ought to bring theire infants to theis parish assemblies to be baptised into that felowship or profession by that ministery or according to that order but in the true Church to seeke the Seale of the Couenant so sone as it may be had by the true ministerye in the Congregation according to Christs institution we still affirme 8. Manie of them make scruple to affirme that the Queens Maiestie hath supreame aucthoritie to gouerne the Church of England in cases ecclesiasticall and to make lavves ecclesiasticall nos contrarye to Christ lavves ALL true Christians vvithin her Maiesties dominions acknowledg her Maiestie to be the supreame maiestrate gouernesse of all persons with in the Church vvithout the Church yea ouer all causes ecclesiasticall ciuill yet allwayes vvith this Caueat that no flesh may presume to add anie thing to his vvord or diminish anie thing from it This vve make no scruple to affirme 9. That the lavves ecclesiasticall alreadye established by the aucthoritie of the Queene Realme be not lavvfull SEing the ecclesiasticall lavves Canons Iniunctions Articles Courts ministery c. vvherby these parish assemblies be gouerned and guyded are not deryued from the booke of God or can be vvarranted therby or grounded theruppon but are the inuentions of men vvhich tourne avvay the truth abrogating Christs lavves ordinances yea seing they are culled out if not whollie receaued from that great Antichrist his Canons orders diuelish polecies as most malignant oppositions against the vvill of God confirmed perfected vvith Christs bloud miracles from heauen therfore these Canons Iniunctions articles hovv plawsible soeuer they agree to the vvorld yet are they the execrable wares of Antichrist Statuts of Omry and not to be receaued or obeyed of anie that loue the Lord Iesus Christ. 10. That if the Prince or Maiestrate vnder her doe refuse or defer to reform such faults as are amisse in the Church the people may take the reforming of them in theire ovvne hands before or vvith out her aucthoritie NEyther do we looke for anie reformation of Babell that is this world of confusion your false Church neither do we take vppon vs to intermeddle with the Magistrats sword but keepe owre selues in thought word deed within the lymitts of owre calling in all dutifull obedyence to owre prince superiours for conscience towards God and teach men both by vvord example so to vvalke But that all that vvylbe saued must forsake the false Church by repentance come vnder Christs obedience to serue vvorship God aright in his true Church vve hold it so true a doctrine as that there is no other meanes or promise of saluation Nether may vve eyther neglect the true seruice of god nor practise of anie part therof or haue fellowship vvith the works of darknes though the prince should inhibit the one commaund the other no herein vve shew no disobediēce to magistrats vvhose displeasure vve must rather vndergoe then fall into the hands of the euerlyuing
all his Children and hath gyuen to vs his holy Spirit to help owr infirmities to teach vs to pray according to his will in his worde we are also there taught That we neede no man to teach vs but as the same anoyntinge teacheth vs of all things moreouer we finde not anie such deuised prayers or stinted seruice perscribed to the Church by those excellēt perfect workemen Thappostles neyther yet anie Commaundment or authoritie gyuē by thē vnto the church to make bring in ympose or receiue anie such stinted deuised Apochripha seruice where only the worde of God the graces of Gods spirit ought to be heard For these causes we esteeme refuse all such deuised Liturgies as superfluous will not worshipp inuentiōs traditions of men besids contrary to Gods reuealed worde to the graces of Gods Spirite to owr Christian libertie Wherfore we wonder at the ignorance of theise blynde Pharesies which knowing neither the right ende vse nor meanes of prayer thēselues yet dare in this maner teach correct quench the Spirit of God in others by ymposing the chaffe leauen of their own lypps vppon the whole Church yea as a sacryfice vppon God himself will he nyl he Article 3. They teache their is no head or Supreame gouernor of the Church of Christ And that the Queene hath none authoritie in the Church to make lawes Ecclesiasticall WE hold Christ to be the only heade of his Church the greatest Princes in the world to be but members of his Church We hold her Maiestie to be supreame gouernor of al persons estats causes whatsoeuer with in her Dominiōs We renounce the Pope all popishe iurisdictions ouer eyther Conscience Queene or Contrye and we acknowledg no other Prince potentate or power forreigne or Domestical Ecclesiasticall or Ciuill to haue anie superiour or equall authoritie within her Maiesties Dominions We hold Christ to be the only Lawgyuer in his Church and that he hath already beinge the Sonne as faithfull in his howse as his seruant MOSES in his Tabernacle established sufficient Lawes for the gouerment of his Church vnto the worlds end in his last will Testament which no Prince nor all the Princes in the world nor the whole Church may alter add vnto or take from vppon the paynes contayned in the Scriptures But both Prince people ought with all their endeuour as farr as the Lorde hath gyuen them knowledge meanes to put the same in execution Article 4. They teache that a lay man may beget faith And that vve haue no neede of publique administration WE know not what you meane by your old popish termes of lay men we holde al true beleyuers Ecclesiasticall spirituall yea and that anie such beleyuer may beget faith and for euident proofe thereof referr you to these places of scripture Luke 10.1 c. Luke 8.39 Acts. 8.4 Acts 11.19 c. Acts. 18.26 1 Corin. 14. entier 1 Corinth 7.16 Phil. 2.15.16 1 Pet. 3.2 1 Pet. 4.10 2 Tim. 2.2 1 Thessa. 5.11 c. Iam. 5.19.20 which shall eyther instruct of cōuince your herein Yet hold we the publique administracōn of the word by PASTORS TEACHERS and the PROPHETS in the church by far without all comparyson more excellent more blessed more to be desired and iudg your synne and iniquitie by so much the more heynouse and euen come to the full in that you so bitterly with all your gall and spyte resist the holy ghost by hindring vs his seruants from proceeding to so heauenly gracious a meanes of owr saluation and earnestly with all your forces oppose your selues against God in that you will neither enter your selues into his kingdome nor suffer such as would Article 5. They condemne all comming to Churche all preaching all Institution of Sacraments and say that all the Ministers are sent by God in his anger to deceaue the people THe Lord condemneth and we according to his Commaundement shunne all false Churches false deceitfull preaching and false Institutions of Sacraments and we belieue as the Lord hath said that all false Ministers are sent of God in his wrath to deceaue the people of which sorte we protest your publique parrish assemblies as they stand in this Confusion disorder and Idolatrie your publique preaching Sacraments and ministrie to be and are ready by the manifest euidence of Gods vndoubted word to approue the same to your faces it anie Christian audience or indifferent tryall might be granted Article 6. They affirme that the people must reforme the Church and not tarye for the Magistrate And that the Primatiue Churche sued not to Courts or Parliaments nor vvayted vppon Princes pleasures But vve make Christ to attend vppon Princes to be Subiect to their lavves and gouernment WE goe not about to reforme your Romish Bisshopricks Deanes officers Aduocates Courts Cannons neither your popish Priests halfe-Priests Ministers all which come out of the bottomlesse pytt But we leaue those merchantmen their wares with the curse of God vppon them vntill they repent We are also taught in the word that the kingdome of God commeth not by obseruation neither is brought in by the arme of flesh but by the spirit of God and by the power of his worde working in the harts of all Christs faithfull seruants true repentance from deade workes and all things that displease the Lord euen as sone as they are reproued vnto them by his worde as also a true conuersion of theire harts and soules vnto the Lord with an earnest loue continuall zeale and ready desire to put in practise what soeuer the Lord sheweth them to be his will in his worde without all delaye or excuse whosoeuer forbyd or Commaunde the contrary We are to obey God rather then men and if anie man be ignorant let him be ignorant stil We are not to stay from doing the Lords Commaundement vppon the pleasure or offence of anie Article 7. That the Booke of common prayer is a pregnant I dole and full of abhominations a peice of Svvynes flesh and abhomination to the Lorde WE haue shewed in owr answeare to your second Article what we thinke of all Apocrypha deuised Liturgies when they are brought into emposed vppon the Church But seinge you are so zealous for the syluer shryne of your DIANA and wayle for your Portuise we affirme it to be as you report a PREGNANT IDOLE which hath in it an infinite sorte of Idols is full of abhominations bytter fruite As may appeare by the double Idols of your solempne double feasts of your hollomass Christmass Candlemass Easter Whitsontyde Trynitie sonday c. Your Lady dayes Saints dayes with the Eaues feasts fasts and deuised worshipp vnto them which fill a great part of your booke Also your lents Rogacōns ash-wensdayes with the bitter cursings
anie man that vvill compare the arguments answeres to the present subiect of the discourse As for the other side if nothing should be published vntill theire consent were had there should neuer anie of these things com to light But if they thinke themselues iniuryed let them set downe the particulers vvherin or for the further satisfying of all men let them yet at length condiscend to som christian free conference where both sides may haue lyberty to produce theire reasons a true record of them be kept by faithfull indifferent notaries ech side be allowed to haue a copie therof time to consider of vvhat is passed accordingly Thus might the thruth sone peeceablye be knovven vvhere the vvord of God may be judg betvvixt them from vvhich vvho so departeth vvil not be reduced let him to his vvne perill vndergoe such censures iudgments as are due to his error syn Only this is sure VVisdome is iustified of all her children Farevvell in the Lord. To owre Louing freinds M r. Archdeacon Mollins Mr. Doctor Andros Mr. Cotton Mr. Hutchinson and the rest of the preachers in about London vvith in named AFter owre harty Commendations I the Bisshop of Londō haue receiued order from my Lords grace of Canterburye vvith the aduice of both the cheiffe Iustices that conference should presently be had vvith these Sectories vvhiche do forsake ovvr Church and be for the same cōmytted prysoners for that it is intēded if by ovvr good learned persvvasions they vvill not be reduced to conforme themselues to their dutifull obedyence that they shalbe proceeded vvith all according to the course of the common lavve Therfore these are to vvill requyre you euery of you vvhose names are mencioned in the shedule hereunto anexed in her Ma ts name by vertue of her high Commission for causes ecclesiasticall to vs and others dyrected That tvvise euery vveeke at the least you doe re-repayre to those persons prysoners vvhose names are in this tycket set doune and that you seeke by all learned discrete demeanure you may to reduce them from their errors And for that eyther their conformitye or disobedyence may be more manifest vvhen they shall com vnto theire trial Therfore vve requyre you to set dovvne in vvryting the perticuler dayes of your going to cōfer vvith them lykevvise your censure vvhat it is of them as that if occasion doe serue to vse it you vvilbe svvorne vnto And for that Mr Doctor Stanhope Chancellor to me the Bisshop of London is gon out of the Citie therfore vve requyre Mr. Mollins to send for all those seuerall preachers and delyuer them the names of the prysoners togeather with the prysons vvhervnto they are assigned to resort and to requyre them as aforesaide to take the chardg vppon them according to the trust commytted vnto them and in case anie of them refuse that then you require him or them forthvvith to repayre to me to Fulham and to certefie me of their aunsvvers before theire comming And so vve byd you Farevvell the 25. of Februarye 1589. Your Louing freinds Iohn Lond. Iohn Herbert Edvv. Stanhope Rich. Cosen WE haue sent you herevvithall a note of som part of their errors vvherby those preachers that are associat vnto you may the better consider hovv to deale in conference with them A briefe of the positions holden by the nevve sectorie of recusants 1 THat it is not lawfull to vse the Lords prayer publiquely in the Church for a set forme of prayer 2 Secondly that all set stinted prayers are meere babling in the sight of the Lord not to be vsed in publique Christian assemblies 3. Thirdly that the publique prayers worship of God in England as it is by lavve in the Church of England established is false superstitious popish and not to be vsed in anye Christian congregation 4. That the Church of England as it is now established is no entier member of the Church of Christ. 5. That the gouernment of the Church of England as it is now established is no lawfull gouernment nor christian but antichristian popish 6. That the Sacraments of Babtisme the Lords supper as they are administred in the Church of England be not true Sacraments 7. That infants ought not to be baptised according to the forme of baptisme ministred now in the Church of Englad but are rather to be kept vnbaptised 8. Manie of them make scruple to affirme that the Queens Maiestie hath supreame aucthoritie to gouern the Church of England in cases ecclesiasticall and to make lawes ecclesiasticall not contrary to Christs lawes 9. That the lawes ecclesiasticall already established by the auctoritie of the Queene Realme be not lawfull 10. That if the prince or maiestrate vnder her doe refuse or defer to reforme such faults as are aimsse in the Church the people may take the reforminge of them into theire owne hands before or vvithout her auctoritie 11. That the presbiterie or eldership may for som causes after admonition if there ensue not reformation excommunicat the Queene 12. That the Church of England as it novv standeth by lavve established professeth not a true Christ nor true religion that it hath no ministers in deed nor Sacraments in deed Iames Forester prysoners in newgate in the Fleete Do Bancraft Iohn Francys prysoners in newgate in the Fleete Robert Batkine prysoners in newgate in the Fleete Do Grant Thomas Freeman in the gatehowse Do Wood Thomas Settel in the gatehowse Iohn Debenham in the gatehowse Mr. Egerton George Collier in the Clynke Iohn Sparowe in the Clynke Do Sallard Edmond Nicolson in the Clynke M r. Iackson Xpofer Raper in the Clynke M r. Dunscombe Xpofer Browne in the Clynke Quintan Smyth in the Clynke M r. Smyth Androwe Smyth in the Clynke William Blakborowe in the Clynke Mr. Phyllips Thomas Lemar in the Clynke Thomas Michell in the Clynke Do White Anthonye Clakston in newgate William Forester in newgate Mr. Sparke William Denford in newgate Roger Waterer in newgate Mr. Erlye Edeth Burrowghe in newgate William Burt in newgate Mr. Turnball George Smels in the Counter woodstreet Xpofer Bowman in the Counter woodstreet Mr. Edmonds Robert Iackson in Count woodstr Mr. Haughton Nycolas Lee in the Count woodstr Mr. Gylpenne Robert Andrewes in Count woodstr Mr. Coper William Hutton in Count woodstr Mr. Archpoole Iohn Buser in Count woodstr Do Hanmer Iohn Fissher in Count woodstr Do Crooke William Clarke in Count vvoodstr Mr. Trypp Richard maltusse in Count vvoodstr Mr. Morrison William Fouller in Count vvoodstr Mr. Crowe Richard Skarlet in Count vvoodstr Mr. Brovvne Roger Rippine in Count vvoodstr Mr. Hall Iohn Clarke in Count vvoodstr Mr. Moslee Rowland Skipworth in the Counter poultrye preacher at Bridevvell George Knifton in the Counter poultrye Mr. Anderson Richard Hayward in Count poult Mr. Gardiner Iohn Lankaster in Count poult Mr. Cotton Thomas Endford in Count poult Mr. Cheyne Mr. Mollins Henry Barrowe in the
god vvho vvill abide no halting For the vvarrant of those things vve haue the doctrine of the prophetts Christ his Apostles who teach vs in this case to suffer persequutioÌ„ as they that feare him that can cast both soule bodye into hell fyre and if the magistrate punish vs for vvel doing vve are far from resistance vvillingly vndergoing vnto death theire displeasure But god forbid they should be guylty of owre innocent bloud by such sclaunderous reports vvithout due examinacoÌ„n of the truth It is these vvicked false prophetts that trouble the land that oppose the magistrats povver against Christ ciuill against spirituall Prince against Subiects 11. That the presbiterie or Eldership may for some causes after admonition if there ensue not reformation excommunicat the Queene WE detest that Antichristian povver of that person or presbiterye vsurping aucthoritie ouer the vvhole Church as you others do exercise in your popish Courts secret Classes devised Synods of priests as though they vvere Lords ouer the heritage The true officers of Christ vsurp no tyrannicall iurisdiction ouer the leaste member neither do anie publique thing vvithout the consent of the vvhole Congregation much lesse may the presbiterie excommunicat anie person by theire sole povver seing Christ hath gyuen this povver to the vvhole Church and not solye to the presbiterie The Prince also if he vvilbe held a meÌ„ber of Christ or of the Church must be subiect to Christs censure in the Church That Congregation then wherof the prince is a member may excommunicat the obstinat offendors therin vvithout exception of person read of in the whole Booke of God yea great iniurye to Christ his Church and to the prince it were to exempt them from the meanes of theire owne saluation for which end this power is only gyuen ought to be so exercised Neither doth it derogate diminish or take away anie part of the magistrats power or aucthoritie except you vvould haue no lawefull magistracye that is not of the Church or that the spirituall power of Christ in his Church should disanull the magistracy which were diuelish doctrine 12. That the Church of England as it novv standeth by lavve established professeth not a true Christ nor true religion that it hath not ministers indeed nor Sacraments indeed AS for your Religion Church Sacraments c. we haue before shewed the forgerye of them vnto which former Articles vve referr the reader Only now vve must take away BalaaÌ„ his stumbling block which he layeth before men as though vve denyed the true Christ perfect God perfect man of his tvvoe natures subsisting not confounded but vnited c. Yea vve confesse there is but one bodye one spirit one Lord one faith one baptisme and that this Christ is in all places the same for euer hovvsoeuer the false Church may challenge interest in the lyuing Child But that these parish assemblies denie him to reigne ouer them yea to be anie true Christ vnto them by theire deeds it is manifest For doe they not put the reede of the Popes Canons in his hand in steade of the Scepter of his ovvne holy vvord Do they not make him a minister of an other TestameÌ„t by bynding him to this theire popishe Apochripha liturgye and all theire other deuises made or to be made Do they not make him a priest a sacrifice to all the prophane vngodly To conclude do they not hereby denye and abrogate all his offices in his Church of kingdome priesthoode prophecye and his vvhole anointing in the flesh The brief summe of a conference had the 9. day of the 3. Moneth betweene Mr. Hutchinson Arch-DeacoÌ„ me Iohn Greenwood prisoner in the Fleet hauing bene kept close now a yeare an half by the BBs sole commaundement The perticuler discourse wherof vvere but vnprofitable to relate neither will I trust my fraile memorye therin Mr. Hutchchinson said he came by vertue of Commission in her Ma ts name to confer c. I denying to make answere to anie thing vntill I might haue indifferent vvitnesse by the matter to be vvritten downe obteined to haue pen ynke Mr. Calthrop a gentleman prysoner to be vvitnes I desired Mr. Hutch to set downe the end of his comming I vvould make answere thereunto vvhereuppon he vvrote vvith his owne hand to this effect Memorandum that I Mr. Huthchinson being desired by Mr. Greenwood to set downe the end of my comming shew it him to be by vertue of commission yet not to examine him or anie vvay to hurt him but to confer vvith him about his seperating of himself from the Church of England if I might reduce him c. I Iohn Greenwood not desiring Mr. Hutchinson his comming yet am most vvilling of anie Christian conference vvhere it shall be free asvvell to oppose as ansvvere on both sides the matter to be recorded in vvriting The cause that I vvill not othervvise reason is for that I haue bene vvickedly sclauÌ„dered our cause falsly reported by Do. Some others c. Mr. Hutchinson then brought forth certaine articles of theire collections reading them vnto me Also he shevved me Do Somes sclauderous booke vvhere he turned to the positions the author had falsly affirmed to be ours Hauing read his Articles he demaunded vhether I approued or disalovved of them To the Articles I said they vvere theyre ovvne collectioÌ„s not ours And as for Mr. Somes booke it vvas full of lyes sclaunders But I vvilled him if he vvould confer to set dovvne some position vnder his hand vvhich I vvould assent vnto or els disproue Still he vvould haue me to ansvvere some of those articles c. But at length he vvilled me to set dovvne some cause whie I would not come to theire Church vvhereuppoÌ„ I vvorte thus The parish assemblies in England consist of all sorts of profane people generallye subiect to this antichristian ministerie lavves Courts vvorship c. And therfore are not the true apparant established Churches of Christ To this he first answered that if the parish assemblies were a false Church then euery member thereof was a member of the false Church which were daÌ„gerous for me to affirme I desired him first to denye or affirme the argument being generall after infer what it pleased him at last he made this answere in writing with his owne hand HVTCH. Your vnsufficient Argument hath 2. defaults in it 1. the sequell of your Argument is not true 2. Your first assertion cannot be prooued GREEN I will replie vppon your second exception as order requireth That Your parish assemblies consist of all sortes of profane people c. is thus proued They vvere all by the blovving of her Maiesties trumpet at her coronaiâ—â—â— in one day receaued vvithout conuersion of life by faith repentance they theyr seede euer since generallie receaued to your sacrament vvithout anie seperation from the vvorld Therfore they novv consist of all sorts of profane
at that tyme be set ouer them in that estate 16. They still denied the Maior gaue this reason therof because the vnbeleeuers might heare the ministerie of the Church Wee graunted that the vnbeleeuers might heare the ministerie of the Church but from hence it followeth not that they had interest in the ministerie before they were members of the Church It is one thing to heare the ministerie of the Church an other thing to be a member of the Church 17. Then they brought Pauls example to proue that a ministerie might be set ouer infidells because he was said to be the teacher of the Gentiles all the Apostles willed to goe and teach all nations To this it was answered that Paul stood no minister neither tooke gouernment or chardge ouer anie heathen which were not called to the faith ioyned to the Church still putting difference betwixt teaching the heathen the truth exercising a ministerie ouer them 18. They alledged 1 Pet. 1. that the Apostle there tooke chardge care ouer strangers Yt was answered that those strangers were Iewes called to the faith dispersed through manie regions as the next verse 1 Pet. 1.2 Iames 1. sheweth 19. Paul wrote himself a father of the Corinths though ye haue manie teachers yet haue ye but one father Yt was still answered that those Corinthians were beleeuers Argument 3. There can be no communion betvvixt the beleeuers vnbeleeuers therefore the infidells can haue no communion vvith the Church in the ministerie thereof or in anie spirituall action Being demaunded by them what we meant by communion we answered such cōmunion as is spoken of Act. 2.42 in doctrine in prayer in the sacraments in mutuall communication in all Christian duties how none were receaued to this communion before they were ioyned as members vnto the Church Argument 4. There can novv be no Pastor ouer anie people by the rules of Christi testamēt but vvhere a mutuall couenant is made betvveene the Pastor the people he bounde to teach guide gouerne them they againe to obey him in the Lord But the infidells haue made no such couenant vvith the Pastor Therfore c. 20. Do. Androes said the Pastor ought not to gouerne that he himself was a Pastor yet no guyde or gouernor of the flocke and that in the Church there were gouernors ouer the Pastors as Bishops We answered that the word Bishop or Ouerseer vvas a generall name cōmon to the Pastor teacher Elders vvhich name importeth gouernment care Phil. 1.1 Act. 20.28 21. Do. Androes here said that the vvord bishop was not common vnto either the Pastor teacher or Elders but vnto other higher gouernors We answered that vnto their ministerie the name of a bishop did not indeed accord but only vnto their Lord bishops desired some proofe of this their assertion out of the word of God 22. Vnto vvhich they answered that all their ministerie vvas by positiue lavves We then said that it must needs follow that all their religion vvorship was pollitick also that ministerie vvhich Christ hath not prescribed in his Testament is antichristian At lentgh after manie bitter reprochfull speaches against vs vve returned againe to our former discourse framed this Argument vnto the rest Argument 5. The people novv are to make choice proofe of their Paestor But thei vvithout the faith cannot make choice of theyr Pastor Therfore c. Here they said that this allowre other positions were fond vaine foolish this was all the answere vve could get of them Mr. Hutchinson at the breaking vp requyred me Henry Barrow to set downe some reasons whie I refused to ioine vnto their Church that the people present might be satisfied whervppon I set him downe vnder mine hand as followeth The reasons vvhie I Henry Barrow cannot ioine with the Church of England yeilded by me the 13. of the 4. Moneth 1. The people as they stand are not called orderly to the faith but stand mingled togeather in confusion 2. The ministerie set ouer them is not the true ministerie of the gospell which Christ hath appointed to his Church in his testament 3. The administration worship of this Church is not according to the word of God 4. The ecclesiasticall gouernment Courts officers Cannons are not according to the testament of Christ but new antichristian Vntill all these points be eyther approoued by the word of God or reformed I cannot consent to ioyne vnto this Church in this estate These things I witnesse subscribe H. Barrovv I Iohn Greenwood being demaunded by M r. Hutchinson whether I would set downe myne hād vnto this or ells yeild some other cause of my dislike refused to do either of both vntill he had prooued the Church of Rome to be the true Church of Christ as he had twise promised at neither of his commings would performe A breif answeare to certayne sclaunderous Articles vngodlie calumniations sparsed abrode by the BB s theire adherēts against diuerse faithfull true Christians her Maiesties loyall and louinge Subiectes to cullour theire owne vngodly tyrannicall dealing with them to bring them into hatred both with Prince and people Article 1. They hold that the Lords praier or anie sell prayer is blasphemy they neuer vse anie prayer for the Queene as supreame head vnder Christ of the Church of England Ansvveare WE hold that the Lords praier so commonly called is sacred Canonicall scripture cōteyning a most absolute perfect rule grownd worke wherby all faith full prayers ought to be framed gyuen by owr Sauyour Christ for the instruction and confirmatiō of his Disciples that theire prayers might be according to the will glory of God But that the very forme of words as they are in theis petitions were gyuē instituted as a sett stinted prayer or that owre Sauiour Christ his Apostles haue euer vsed yt in that maner we finde not in the scriptures where we see theire prayers according to theire present occasions c. set downe in other words no mention made of such prescript lymited saying of this as they requyre enioyne Moreouer if they were as ignorant what belongeth to true prayer or of the true vse of this forme for prayer as they seeme yet euen theyre owne practize in theire pulpyts Liturgies doth excuse vs thus far forth condemne them For her Maiestie we praye both publiquely pryuatly day night at all tymes places according to owre duties as becommeth vs and godwilling wyll not cease so to do whilst owre lyues shall last Article 2. That all set prayers or stinted prayers or read seruice are but meere bablinge in Gods sight plaine Idolatrie TO this we answeare that we are taught in the Scriptures That God is a Spirit wilbe worshipped in Spirit truth we finde further in the Script in owr selues That God gyveth to