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B00718 A conference of the Catholike and Protestante doctrine with the expresse words of Holie Scripture. Which is the second parte of the prudentiall balance of religion. : VVherein is clearely shewed, that in more than 260 points of controuersie, Catholicks agree with the Holie Scripture, both in words and sense: and Protestants disagree in both, and depraue both the sayings, words, and sense of Scripture. / Written first in Latin, but now augmented and translated into English.; Collatio doctrinae Catholicorum ac Protestantium cum expressis S. Scripturae verbis. English. 1631 Smith, Richard, 1566-1655. 1631 (1631) STC 22810; ESTC S123294 532,875 801

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quinquagesim_n f._n 207._o charity_n more_o noble_a than_o charity_n faith_n be_v more_o worthy_a better_a and_o more_o noble_a than_o charity_n herbrandus_fw-la in_o compendio_fw-la theol._n loco_fw-la de_fw-fr justificat_fw-la faith_n be_v the_o chief_a and_o hard_a worship_n which_o we_o can_v give_v to_o god_n lobechius_n disput_fw-la 9_o faith_n have_v the_o first_o and_o high_a degree_n amongst_o all_o good_n reineccius_n to_o 4._o armaturae_fw-la c._n 18._o yea_o faith_n be_v great_a than_o charity_n great_a than_o charity_n above_o charity_n charity_n caluin_n in_o 1._o cor._n 13._o v._n 13._o if_o we_o sift_v all_o the_o effect_n of_o faith_n and_o compare_v they_o faith_n will_v be_v find_v to_o be_v superior_a in_o many_o point_n yea_o charity_n itself_o as_o the_o apostle_n teach_v 1._o thessalon_n 1._o be_v the_o effect_n of_o faith_n but_o without_o doubt_v the_o effect_n be_v inferior_a to_o the_o cause_n the_o conference_n scripture_n express_o say_v that_o charity_n 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have_v not_o work_n david_n also_o when_o he_o abuse_v the_o wife_n of_o urias_n and_o procure_v he_o to_o be_v slay_v have_v not_o charity_n towards_o his_o neighbour_n nor_o towards_o god_n who_o he_o so_o great_o offend_v nor_o s._n peter_n have_v charity_n to_o christ_n when_o he_o deny_v and_o foreswore_v he_o in_o who_o at_o those_o time_n faith_n be_v without_o good_a yea_o with_o very_o evil_a work_n catholik_o express_o affirm_v council_n of_o trent_n session_n 6._o cap._n 15._o we_o must_v teach_v that_o by_o every_o mortal_a sin_n the_o grace_n of_o justification_n be_v lose_v though_o not_o faith_n protestant_n express_o deny_v whitaker_n contion_n ult._n p._n 695._o who_o think_v that_o true_a faith_n work_n faith_n never_o void_a of_o good_a work_n may_v be_v idle_o or_o void_a of_o good_a work_n do_v believe_v against_o the_o confession_n of_o our_o church_n that_o be_v a_o false_a faith_n which_o be_v not_o join_v with_o the_o keep_n of_o the_o commandment_n jewel_n in_o defense_n of_o the_o apology_n p._n 304._o yea_o say_v faith_n work_n true_a faith_n without_o work_n without_o work_n be_v nevertheless_o a_o true_a and_o real_a faith_n very_o so_o be_v fire_n without_o heat_n a_o true_a and_o real_a fire_n if_o the_o wicked_a without_o good_a work_n have_v a_o true_a and_o real_a faith_n then_o may_v you_o also_o say_v that_o the_o devil_n likewise_o have_v a_o true_a and_o real_a faith_n this_o faith_n be_v no_o faith_n it_o be_v only_o a_o imaginary_a and_o mathematical_a fantasy_n apologia_fw-la confess_v augustanae_n c._n 3._o our_o adversary_n teach_v sin_n not_o with_o mortal_a sin_n that_o faith_n may_v be_v with_o mortal_a sin_n c._n 5._o they_o dream_v that_o faith_n can_v stand_v with_o mortal_a sin_n c._n the_o resp_n ad_fw-la argumenta_fw-la faith_n without_o good_a work_n be_v hypocrisy_n libre_fw-la
cause_n between_o even_o to_o infidelity_n itself_o by_o a_o absolute_a decree_n of_o reprobation_n which_o go_v before_o all_o cause_n episcopius_n apud_fw-la hom._n in_fw-la specim_fw-la contr._n belg._n p._n 36._o great_a injustice_n and_o hypocrisy_n shall_v be_v attribute_v to_o god_n if_o by_o a_o secret_a will_v he_o do_v define_v and_o ordain_v that_o those_o thing_n shall_v be_v do_v which_o by_o his_o reveal_v will_v he_o forbid_v and_o will_v not_o have_v do_v arminius_n ib._n say_v bellarmin_n object_v against_o the_o opinion_n of_o our_o doctor_n that_o thereof_o will_v follow_v that_o god_n be_v the_o author_n of_o sin_n that_o god_n true_o sin_v that_o god_n alone_o sin_v and_o that_o sin_n be_v no_o sin_n by_o this_o complaint_n i_o see_v no_o wrong_n do_v to_o your_o doctrine_n perkins_n they_o teach_v that_o god_n do_v command_v sin_n as_o we_o have_v prove_v l._n 1._o c._n 2._o art_n 6._o which_o to_o be_v blasphemy_n confess_v sin_n that_o he_o command_v sin_n beza_n in_o resp_n ad_fw-la acta_fw-la montisbel_n pag._n 182._o in_o these_o word_n that_o god_n command_v that_o which_o he_o will_v not_o punish_v that_o which_o he_o command_v be_v the_o author_n of_o evil_n sure_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v full_a of_o horrible_a impiety_n and_o blasphemy_n and_o zanchius_n in_o depuls_n calum_fw-la to_o 7._o col_fw-fr 255._o i_o have_v always_o teach_v that_o it_o be_v blasphemy_n to_o say_v that_o god_n command_v man_n to_o sin_n they_o teach_v that_o god_n do_v push_n and_o tempt_v man_n to_o sin_n that_o he_o tempt_v to_o sin_n sin_n as_o be_v to_o be_v see_v l._n 1._o c._n 2._o art_n 7._o and_o yet_o caluin_n resp_n ad_fw-la nebulon._n p_o 732._o say_v be_v it_o a_o doubtful_a blasphemy_n that_o god_n push_v man_n to_o sin_n and_o in_o 1._o joan._n 3._o five_o 8._o it_o be_v proper_a to_o the_o devil_n to_o push_v man_n to_o sin_n de_fw-fr praedest_fw-la pag._n 711._o if_o ever_o i_o have_v say_v that_o it_o have_v be_v do_v by_o the_o instinct_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o the_o first_o man_n shall_v forsake_v god_n perhaps_o pighius_fw-la might_n just_o iusult_v over_o i_o beza_n de_fw-fr praedest_fw-la vol._n 1._o theol._n p._n 404._o the_o name_n of_o tentation_n do_v not_o agree_v to_o god_n since_o it_o signify_v nothing_o but_o enticement_n to_o evil_a which_o god_n can_v no_o way_n do_v in_o math._n 3._o v._n 3._o tentation_n which_o entice_v we_o to_o evil_a come_v not_o but_o from_o satan_n and_o in_o respon_n ad_fw-la acta_fw-la montisb_n part_n 2._o pag._n 186._o nether_a he_o be_v infinite_o good_a can_v push_v a_o create_v good_a to_o evil_n melancthon_n in_o schlusselb_n l._n 1._o theol._n caluin_n artic_a 8._o they_o do_v infer_v that_o god_n do_v push_v the_o mind_n and_o heart_n of_o man_n to_o do_v wicked_o this_o be_v a_o damn_a error_n et_fw-fr lib._n de_fw-fr causa_fw-la peccati_fw-la to_o 2._o that_o same_o cyclopicall_a cavillation_n of_o some_o be_v to_o be_v reject_v that_o therefore_o god_n sin_v not_o in_o push_v man_n to_o evil_a because_o there_o be_v no_o law_n for_o god_n this_o cyclopicall_a imagination_n be_v detestable_a whitaker_n ad_fw-la rat._n 8._o camp_n god_n do_v not_o add_v new_a spur_n to_o david_n and_o judas_n for_o to_o sin_n god_n forbid_v that_o any_o christian_n shall_v so_o much_o as_o think_v so_o hutter_n in_o anal_n pag._n 683._o it_o can_v be_v say_v or_o think_v without_o great_a wickedness_n or_o impiety_n and_o blasphemy_n that_o god_n be_v the_o efficient_a impel_a incline_v cause_n of_o sin_n they_o say_v that_o god_n impose_v necessity_n or_o force_v man_n sin_n that_o he_o force_v to_o sin_n to_o sin_n as_o be_v show_v lib._n 1._o c._n 2._o art_n 8._o which_o to_o be_v blasphemy_n confess_v whitaker_n libr._n 8._o cont_n dur._n sect_n 7._o we_o have_v always_o reject_v as_o blasphemous_a that_o god_n do_v force_n and_o push_v man_n to_o sin_n and_o put_v evil_a will_n into_o they_o kemnice_n in_o locis_fw-la part_n 1._o pag._n 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