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A65055 VindiciƦ revindicate being an answer to Mr. Baxters book intituled Catholick communion doubly defended, by Dr. Owen's vindicator and Richard Baxter, and Mr. Baxter's notions of the saints repentance and displeasure in heaven, considered / by a lover of truth and peace in sincerity. Lover of truth and peace. 1684 (1684) Wing V543; ESTC R38022 37,543 50

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