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A61864 Presbyteries triall, or, The occasion and motives of conversion to the Catholique faith of a person of quality in Scotland ; to which is svbioyned, A little tovch-stone of the Presbyterian covenant W. S. (William Stuart), d. 1677.; W. S. (William Stuart), d. 1677. A little tovch-stone of the Scottish Covenant. 1657 (1657) Wing S6028; ESTC R26948 309,680 599

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to_o be_v good_a protestant_n so_o i_o will_v bring_v some_o few_o to_o prove_v that_o they_o be_v ill_a presbyterian_o ibid._n gualte_n chron._n saeculo_fw-la 12._o c._n de_fw-fr walden_n o_o 2d_o &_o 32._o 3._o error_n 38._o ibid._n 1._o they_o admit_v no_o other_o form_n of_o prayer_n except_o our_o lord_n prayer_n the_o presbyterian_o admit_v many_o other_o but_o not_o that_o 2._o they_o allow_v only_o three_o order_n in_o the_o church_n to_o wit_n of_o deacon_n priest_n &_o bishop_n the_o presbyterian_o have_v abjure_v episcopacy_n &_o the_o whole_a hierarchy_n of_o the_o church_n 3_o the_o waldenses_n affirm_v that_o all_o oath_n be_v unlawful_a the_o presbyterian_o have_v take_v n_o and_o enforce_v other_o to_o take_v many_o unlawful_a oath_n in_o the_o covenant_n 4._o the_o waldenses_n maintain_v ibi_fw-la 4._o error_n 40._o ibi_fw-la that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o put_v any_o man_n to_o death_n hy_o the_o sentence_n of_o a_o judge_n and_o therefore_o they_o abolish_v all_o judicatories_n in_o the_o cause_n of_o blood_n the_o covenanter_n have_v shed_v much_o blood_n under_o pretence_n of_o justice_n spare_v none_o of_o their_o opposer_n who_o come_v in_o their_o reverence_n ibid._n 5._o error_n 31._o ibid._n 5._o they_o consecrate_v ordinary_o their_o sacrament_n upon_o that_o day_n only_o whereon_o our_o saviour_n be_v betray_v and_o they_o keep_v it_o thus_o consecrate_a all_o the_o year_n long_o to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o sick_a the_o presbyterian_o do_v not_o profess_v to_o consecrate_v at_o all_o they_o give_v their_o sacrament_n very_o seldom_o to_o the_o whole_a and_o they_o have_v make_v a_o act_n never_o to_o give_v it_o to_o the_o sick_a i_o can_v find_v hardly_o any_o thing_n wherein_o the_o waldenses_n agree_v more_o with_o the_o presbyterian_o then_o with_o other_o protestant_n 37._o error_n 37._o except_o in_o this_o alone_a that_o they_o contemn_v the_o apostle_n creed_n which_o the_o presbyterian_o have_v more_o then_o probable_o do_v by_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v apostolical_a by_o all_o which_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o the_o waldenses_n do_v not_o continue_v since_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o from_o the_o time_n they_o arise_v they_o be_v not_o protestant_n much_o less_o presbyterian_o and_o so_o be_v deficient_a in_o both_o the_o principle_n 730._o fox_n acts._n pag._n 41._o illyric_n in_o catalogue_n test_n p._n 730._o therefore_o m_o fox_n illyricus_n and_o other_o protestant_n have_v their_o recourse_n very_o groundless_o to_o the_o waldenses_n to_o prove_v the_o continual_a visibility_n of_o their_o church_n by_o they_o and_o for_o this_o cause_n we_o must_v leave_v they_o &_o pass_v to_o the_o albigenses_n albigenses_n these_o man_n have_v their_o name_n from_o the_o town_n of_o albingia_n in_o france_n where_o the_o great_a part_n of_o they_o remain_v they_o begin_v in_o the_o same_o age_n with_o the_o waldenses_n and_o be_v a_o branch_n of_o their_o sect_n 332._o osiand_n cent._n 13_o l._n 1._o c._n 4._o fulk_n de_fw-fr success_n eccles_n pa._n 332._o as_o osiander_n &_o fulk_n do_v confess_v their_o late_a rise_n show_v that_o they_o have_v not_o continue_v since_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o can_v not_o be_v the_o true_a church_n as_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o first_o principle_n and_o consequent_o albeit_o they_o have_v be_v protestant_n the_o protestant_a church_n can_v not_o be_v show_v continual_o visible_a in_o they_o they_o be_v also_o deficient_a in_o the_o second_o principle_n because_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v any_o protestant_a confession_n for_o they_o hold_v the_o same_o doctrine_n with_o the_o waldenses_n gualt_n baron_fw-fr anno_o 1176._o 1._o prateol_n saunder_n ap_fw-mi gualther_n error_n 2._o 2._o error_n 28._o ibid._n 3._o error_n 10._o apud_fw-la gualt_n except_o some_o few_o thing_n which_o they_o add_v of_o their_o own_o as_o 1._o they_o maintain_v with_o the_o manichee_n that_o there_o be_v two_o beginning_n to_o wit_n god_n and_o the_o devil_n 2._o with_o the_o saducee_n they_o deny_v the_o resurrection_n of_o the_o body_n 3._o with_o the_o manichee_n seleucians_n and_o other_o ancient_a heretic_n they_o reject_v baptism_n and_o maintain_v many_o other_o error_n which_o be_v condemn_v both_o by_o catholic_n &_o protestant_n and_o they_o commit_v some_o abominable_a and_o profane_a villainy_n in_o the_o church_n of_o tolouse_n hence_o it_o be_v that_o albeit_o some_o protestant_n do_v seek_v to_o perpetual_a their_o church_n by_o they_o yet_o other_o do_v clear_o reject_v they_o jewel_n say_v plain_o 48._o jewel_n in_o defenfione_n apol._n p._n 48._o non_fw-la sunt_fw-la nostri_fw-la they_o be_v not_o we_o and_o osiander_n reject_v they_o more_o clear_o their_o doctrine_n say_v he_o be_v absurd_a impious_a heretical_a they_o remain_v obstinate_o in_o their_o error_n and_o impiety_n whence_o man_n think_v that_o they_o have_v be_v possess_v with_o anabaptistical_n fury_n and_o yet_o notwithstanding_o these_o gross_a error_n which_o they_o maintain_v and_o their_o great_a difference_n from_o protestant_n m._n fox_n reckon_v the_o albigenses_n in_o the_o number_n of_o protestant_a martyr_n and_o some_o other_o protestant_n supra_fw-la spark_n in_o respon_n ad_fw-la joan._n de_fw-fr albins_n pag._n 58._o fulk_n p._n 332._o ut_fw-la supra_fw-la as_o m._n spark_n &_o fulk_n do_v very_o gtoundles_o pretend_v to_o show_v the_o visibility_n of_o their_o church_n by_o they_o but_o see_v the_o protestant_a church_n can_v be_v continue_v neither_o in_o the_o waldenses_n nor_o albigenses_n in_o france_n we_o must_v pass_v next_o to_o the_o wiclefist_n in_o england_n wiclefist_n 85._o fox_n act_n &_o monum_fw-la p._n 85._o john_n wicleff_n a_o english_a man_n be_v a_o roman_a priest_n and_o a_o curate_n in_o england_n he_o live_v in_o the_o year_n 1371._o as_o m._n fox_n testify_v and_o from_o he_o begin_v the_o church_n of_o the_o wiclefist_n for_o there_o be_v none_o or_o that_o religion_n 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