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A35728 A consideration and a resolvtion first concerning the right of the laity in nationall councels : secondly concerning the power of bishops in affaires secular : prepared for the honourable House of Parliament / by Sr. E.D. ... Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644. 1641 (1641) Wing D1106; ESTC R4300 13,347 35

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persemet ipsam in sancta quarta Synodo sedit which fourth Synod was with Martianus the Emperour To these I adde the very Ordo celebrandi concilia written by Isidor and like unto the Modus tenendi Parliamentum Thus much for humane testimonie I have done with my hasty notes onely I adde this and I beseech you to intend it Whilest we of the Laity had our power and voices to chuse our owne Ministers and our owne Bishops which was our ancient right constantly allowed practised in the best Primitive times whereof the proofes are yet evident enough so long I say we might trust them in a Synod whom wee first had trusted to direct and guide our soules in all the ministeriall function But to conclude us up now and shut us out contrary to the Law of Nature and Reason contrary to ancient usages not to admit us to determination nay to exclude us from consultation and after all to take from us all assent both in choyse and in refusall of Pastors to be set over us and yet to binde us by decres so made may prove I feare no lesse then soule-tyranny I doe not presse the deserved right of our choyse of Pastors but one thing more lend me patience to adde as supreme Coronis to all that I have said for right of Laity in Synods Looke I beseech you in the first Synod that ever was held in the Christian Church and that for so great and singular a cause as never was occasion for the like in the world before or since you have it in the first of the Acts of the holy Apostles and it is for the choice of a new Apostle There were in this Synod and of this Synod the eleven Apostles Acts 1. 13. with the brethren of the Lord verse 14. There were the Disciples there was Turba {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} a multitude of abovt a 120 names ver. 15. Saint Peter tells them that out of that number one must bee ordained to be a witnesse of the resurrection of our Saviour thereupon what doth the multitude of Disciples there present {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} verse 23. they place or set two before the Apostles And the same men viz. all the Disciples verse 26. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} they give forth their lots and thereupon the lot falling upon Matthias he was numbred saith our Translation with the eleven Apostles but the Originall is more {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} communibus calculis annumeratus est he was by common assent or by common voyces reckoned with the eleven Now who were these common voyces who were these 120 men Evangelists Bishops Deacons and Presbyters or Elders as yet there was not one in all the world the Apostles were but eleven perhaps not numbred in this 120. The Disciples if you will say that they were there and were Clergy men yet they were but 70. So that here is no evasion the Laity were present and not passive only they were active in this so originall so weighty a Synod My second instance in this kinde is out of the second Councell that ever wee read was held and this is Acts 6. where the Apostles call a Councell for the choyse of 7 deacons Then the twelve called the multitude of the Disciples to them ver. 2. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} They being assembled doe not say we have decreed we have ordered and ordayned and injoyned but their language is verse 3. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} brethren looke ye out the word is the same as {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} both from {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to oversee doe you oversee among you seven men of honest report And the saying as it is verse 5. pleased {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the whole multitude there is a consent of theirs more plaine in {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} they the multitude chose seaven Stephen and Philip c. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} whom they still the multitude {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} verse 6. did set or place before the Apostles The third and the last shall be the {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the great and generall Councell held by the Apostles upon the dissention of the Church in point of Circumcision and that is Acts 15. there you shall againe finde present {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} verse 12. All the multitude but you will say and object that the next word is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the multitude kept silence True ergo what Therefore they speake not at all in this Councell nothing lesse But ergo they had spoken before for it is plaine by the word Then all the multitude kept silence If they had nothing there to doe but to be alwaies silent this particle of time Then might well have beene spared This may perhaps be objected and therefore ought to bee prevented for the further clearing whereof observe I pray the next verse v. 13. where in like manner it is said of Paul and Barnabas {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} And after they held their peace ergo they had spoken And therefore the Fryer who collected together a body of Councells Peter Crabbe the German doth even from this place inferre a consent of the people saying Tacuit omnis multitudo Consentiens Petro But if you would have this more clearely evidenced beyond all exceptions I pray take notice of the resolution of this Synod verse 22. Then pleased it the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church With the whole Church what is that The blessed Apostles and their fellow labourers did not engrosse and as our Church-men affect to doe usurpe and monopolize the word Church as proper onely to Church-men No you shall finde it even in the Epigraphe of the Canons and Decrees of this true holy and sacred Synod that the despised Laity are in these Canons conjoyned with the blessed Apostles although Pope and Patriarch Primate and Metropolitan Archbishop and Bishops yea even downe to Deane and Archdeacon I have heard it doe dispise the thought of admitmitting the Laity I do not say to decision but even to Consultation nay to the very choyce of consulters in Religion nay lower even so much as to have a negative power when a man of inabilitie and of ill life is obtruded upon them I proceed for I would not orare but probare looke verse 23. They that were present had voyce They who voiced the Canons joyned in the decree and sending the decree unto Antioch The words are thus The Apostles and Elders and Brethren send greeting to the Brethren which are in Antioch c. Here the Brethren at Hierusalem are with the Apostles and the Elders actors in and authors of the Canons in this Councell agreed There is no evasion no clusion to be had