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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90716	A word of prophesy, concerning the Parliament, generall, and the army. With A little of the first Adam. Wherein are divers objections answered, concerning that position of God, being the author of sinne. / By Henry Pinnell.	Pinnell, Henry.	1648 (1648)	Wing P2280; Thomason E1184_8; ESTC R210114	45,662	97

and dyed Rom. 5.20 Cap. 7.9 Sin was in his nature before but not discovered till the Commandment came it lay in him as a dead thing under ground out of sight and out of mind it troubled him not it was as a benummed or dead member he was not sensible of it at all Rom. 7.8 Without the Law sin is dead Thus the first Adam He was created innocent as they speak harmlesse voyd as yet of Doing any evill till the act of his disobedience in eating but his condition state or nature in the day of his Creation was not as pure perfect and holy as the Law of God And the commandment came unto him to kill him to make sin abound and become exceeding sinfull that he might not think his present state sufficient Gen. 1.31 Nakednes is want of divine righteousnes Gen. 3.11 and content himself therewith but dye unto that and seek a better state in Christ He was naked and without the Wedding garment at first but was not ashamed of his nakednesse he was shewed told and convinced of his nakednes by his presumptuous undertaking of being more perfect in his own Way And therefore God reasons thus with him Who told thee that thou wast naked hast thou eaten c Thus Adam who was alive before the commandment came is now killed by the Letter and dies to that first life his resurrection to a better life being by the Promised Seed Mr. Baker But Adam in his Creation was not as Paul and all men else or as children are now since the Fall defiled with any originall polution Answer First I doe not say that Adam was contaminated with any act of sin or uncleannesse before his fall yet this doth not prove him to be as exactly holy and perfect as the Law for if he had been so how came he so crooked and contrary to the Law The perfection of the Law consists in perpetuity as well as in purity and such should Adams state have been if it had been equall to the Law Yet Secondly If Adam had not in him the Principles and Seeds of sin how could he have transgressed and become a sinner for the spawn of wickednesse and evill in the Devill had not been enough to produce and propagate the prodigous off-spring of iniquity and sin unlesse there had been sutable matter in Adams nature to mix with his serpentine suggestion and temptation It is said Joh. 14.30 Mat. 4.11 That the Prince of the world came to Christ and found nothing in him He could never fasten any temptation on Christ all his assaults could not prevail over him had he found as little in the first Adam as he did in the Second there had been the like successe and no monster of Misery had been brought into the World Mr. Baker The Cause of the Cause is the cause also of the effect therfore if Adam had but the seeds and Principles of sin in him at his Creation though he were not actually a sinner yet you make God the author of sin Answer First What if I say that God was the cause without which Adam had not fallen Causa sine qua non not causa impulsiva is there any hurt in that God might have made Adam in such an Immutable condition that he could not have fallen and then certainly you would have said God was the cause of his standing Secondly A blind child is not in so good a condition as one that hath his eyes yet the blindnesse of the childe is neither his fault nor his fathers Luk. 3.38 though it be the cause of the childs stumbling and falling Adam is called The Son of God this Adam was created blind as to the spirituall understanding of divine things Io. 9.2 3. Eph. 2.10 yet neither did this man Adam uor God his parent sin in that he was born blind but that the Workmanship of God in Christ might be manifested in him It was not the fault but the Wisdome and pleasure of God to make Adam so that he might make way for the exaltation of his Holy child Jesus and the magnifying of the riches of his grace and love in Christ Thirdly Once more take it thus A virgin not yet defloured but retaining still her chastity as in the day she was born you will not say but this chaste and pure virgin hath the Seeds and Principles of propagation and a desire too of naturall issue yet this Damosell cannot be reproved of fornication as an harlot nor hath she sinned if she marry and have children she is not to be accused of folly unlesse she give up her self to a stranger in an illegitimate and meretricious way Who more chaste and innocent then Adam yet did he violate that primitive and created purity when he turned aside to couple and close with the allurements of the Serpent He had not offended if he had betrothed his soul to God in the Sacrament of the tree of life yea it had been more honor happinesse and safety for him so to have done The Devil is called the Father of murther and lies Ioh. 8.44 indeed he is the Father of all that is evil and therefore it is said 1 John 1.5.19 that the whole world all that is of the word in opposition to God lyeth in the Wicked one every wicked and sinfull act lyeth in the loynes of the Devill as the Father thereof but except Satan had gendred with the lawfull heart of Adam there had been noe such bare born brat as sin ever brought into the World Iam. 1.13 15. there was first lust in Adam which by the injections of Satan conceived and brought forth sin Gen. 2.17 when he had compleatly finished his sin in the actuall eating of the forbidden fruit then he dyed and not before though he was mortall at first Satan is the Father mans heart the Mother of all evill Mr. Baker But Adam was Spirituall at first and therefore had not so much as any propensity or inclination to sin of himself but what he was inticed unto by Satan nor can it be said that he was blinde as to the understanding of spirituall things in his created state Answer If Adam was spirituall or heavenly in his created state what is the meaning then of that in 1 Cor. 15 47. where it is said that the first man is of the earth earthy And this is spoken of Adam before his fall the materials of which he was formed at first were but dust and earth Gen. 2.7 yea God who best knowes his frame mold nature and constitution of his being called his name but Adam man or earth Gen. 5.2 1 Per. 1.7 18. In the day he was created Or as some will have it red earth which if it be meant of gold to intimate the golden and excellent state of Adam above other creatures yet was he but red earth or gold that perisheth gold that could not make him rich to God but the

Psal 81.12 Job 19.20 Rom. 1.21 23 24. When God speaks to man there is no similitude of Himself in the wisdom parts and excellency of Man or the Righteousnesse of the first Adam to be seen The ambition and industry of the Creature is to bring down the Creator into the lower region of sensible appearances to cloath and compasse the incomprehensible Diety and Mystery of the Lord Jesus and the glorious Gospel of God in visible formes and the Wisdome of the flesh and when men have made a God like themselves and fashioned a Religion and Worship after the invention of their own fancies they are ready to cry out with the Lystrians in Lycaonia God is come down to us in the likenesse of man Act. 14.11 The longest largest and widest form Order and Ordination of man is too short strait and narrow to circumscribe and limit the blessed teaching of the infinite Spirit of the Holy one of Israel He hath learning enough that can speak a word in due season to him that is weary Esa 50.4 Mr. Baker You go about to bring in a boundlesse and unlimited Independency to give liberty to any that doth but pretend unto the Spirit to preach you open a door to let into the Ministry every mechanicall fellow tinker shoemaker such an one as is at Nottingham weaver amp c. And if such as these may be permitted to vent the frothy humors of their shallow braines under pretence of being qualified by the Spirit for the Ministeriall function and office then we are to have a goodly wise and learned ministry indeed Answer 1. Did the Bishops or will the Presbyters keep all Dolts Drones and Dunses out of the ministry 2. Why may not even an exorbitant Episcopacy and a boundlesse Independency as you call it be as good as a groundles proud tyrannicall and domineering Presbytery I stand no more for an established form of Independency then for a setled government by Presbytery for neither any more then for a reformed Episcopacy 2 Cor. 5.16 to let this passe for though once I had this fleshly knowledge of men yet henceforth know I neither men nor C. so any more but rather seek to know as I am known in the Spirit 3. As for the shoemaker at Nottingham which you spake of and other mechanicall men R. J. as they are termed I know nothing to the contrary but that they may sit in the chair as wel as many of your great Rabbies I gave you instances of divers who having performed the priests office in his Canonical vestments have been saluted for currant divines both by Parliament men and Synod men too they no Independents neither Jerome speaks of it as the glory not the shame and makes it the commendation not the dishonour of those times that the Scripture was familiarly known to taylers semsters delvers shoemakers c. why should not we rejoyce of all the Lords people were Prophets and to see the Spirit powred out upon all flesh I approve not any more then you do of precipitate rash ignorant fools that run before they are sent into the ministry If any pretend to have the qualification of the spirit hath it not reject that man as a Pharisaical hypocrite but if any have the gift take heed you throw not water in his face to quench the spirit of prophesy in him If God bid any one go about his work let no man discourage or forbid him to do it Christ wil not alow his own beloved disciple to forbid nother to do his work although he hath not the same formall and verball commission and doth not walk in the same external call and ceremony of Discipleship with the other He that never had hands of Men layd on him Luk. 9.49 50. may cast out as many Divels and convert as many soules as he that goes out with never so many spels and charms of fleshly Ordinations and Institutions of Men. Mr. Baker In your discourse concerning the blind man Joh. 9. you said that when eyes were fully opened we never read that afterward he prayed to receive his sight whereby yon seemed to glance at such a state of Perfection here in which there should be no need of Prayers but a continuall rendring of prayses Answer 1. I say againe that mercies received should cause returnes of prayses one of the ten lepers returned to Christ what to do to pray unto him to be cleansed Luk. 17.15 16. or to give him thanks for being cleansed when you have bestowed your almes do you expect the beggar should lie at your gate begging or go away thankfull 2. I know there is such a state of Perfection attainable here wherein there shall be continuall prayses Is not death sorrow crying curse and payn removed and all teares wiped away in the New Jerusalem Rev. 21.4.22.3 and what will there be left then but matter of incessant prayses this is the condition which some I do not say all are in do I therefore deny the spirit of supplication to those that are in doubts wants straits bondage and have not yet the pokession of their desires and hopes Do I hold prayer uselesse and needlesse in every condition Mr. Baker You give me cause to think so for when you preached last year at Derby you never made confession of sin nor prayer for the pardon of it before your sermon though it were on a fast day whereby I guesse you are against fasting and humiliation Answer 1. If I had followed the form and pattern of your private spirit I should have given you content but I am not bound to take my dictates from man 2. You say that I did not then confesse nor pray for the pardon of sin no though it were on the fast day hence you inferre that I deny confession and prayer for pardon of sin to be lawfull I do not well remember what I sayd so long since But let me follow you in your reasoning When I met with Mr. Baker I heard him plead much for prayer but little or nothing for prayses Ergo Mr. Baker denyes praysing of God to be lawfull I pay you in your own coyn you must not refuse or dislike it Mat. 11.25 Christ gave thanks to his Father but did not then pray for any thing we find there ergo he never prayed at all as holding it unlawfull so to do I did not confesse c. when you heard me therfore I say that none ought so to do or I never did or may do so my self I never had so much Logick to understand your argument And whereas you conclude also that I am against the duty of humiliation I reply as before If you had the disposing of my spirit I should please you 3. I forbid not the Disciples of John and the Pharisees to fast and pray often 4. I grant that the children of the bride-chamber may and cannot do otherwise but mourn when the Bridegroom is absent Mat.