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A63637 The true Protestant religion set forth by way of dialogue discovering the idolatries and abominations professed and taught in the Church of Rome / by a Presbyter of the Church of England. Presbyter of the Church of England. 1683 (1683) Wing T2864; ESTC R4661 28,790 38

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Dispensations to marry in the second Nay which is most abominable the tolerate Stewes publick Whore-houses even in Rome it self where every Whore pays a Julian penny to his Holiness weekly which amounts to yearly as some think 50000 l. Child What doth the eighth Commandment contain Thou shalt not steal Father It contains a charge of our own and our Neighbours Goods that we shew Love and faithfulness therein and not only not impeach or hinder but by all means preserve and further the the same Let him that stole steal no more but rather let him labour working with his hands the thing that is good that he may have to give him that needeth Eph. 4.28 Child How do the Papists keep this Command Father The Pope makes sale of all things of Heaven Hell and the Earth of Pardons for Sin and delivering men from Purgatory which is flat Robbery and most gross Deceit and Cozenage By the fulness of his Power the Pope can dispense in all things where there is cause and in many things where there is no cause under a greater price so saith the Tax of the Datary or the Book of Rates where the price of the Dispensations are set down to a farthing for the basest and vilest Sins that can be imagined Child What is the scope and end of the ninth Command Thou shalt not bear false Witness c Father The main scope and end at which God aimeth is the conservation of Truth amongst men and of our own and our Neighbours Fame and good Name Put away lying speak every man Truth with his Neighbour for we are Members one of another Eph. 4.25 Child How do the Papists keep this Command Father They allow Equivocation and mental Evasions and teach that 't is lawful to lye or deceive the Question of the Magistrate to conceal their Names and to tell a false one and to elude all Examinations Nay they hold it not onely lawful but meritorious to dye with Lyes in their Mouths if it be for the good of the Pope's Cause Child What is the summ and drift of the tenth Commandment Thou shalt not covet c Father Gods People must not harbour in their hearts any thoughts or motions against their Neighbours though the Will consent not but content themselves with that Estate that God allots them So St. Paul expounds it I had not known Lust except the Law had said Thou shalt not covet Rom. 7.7 Child How do the Papists expound this Command Father They hold Concupiscence before consent to be no sin If it be any they say 't is less than any venial sin which deserveth not damnation Whereupon they have forged a Limbus for such Infants as dye in Original Sin Thus they expound and keep the Commandments Child If this be their way of keeping the Commandments of God the Lord deliver me from them and their wayes and incline my heart to keep his Commandments according to the Exposition of the Protestant Doctors But are there no more Commandments but these Father No Child He declared unto you his Covenant which he commanded you to perform even ten Commandments and he wrote them upon two Tables of stone Deut. 4.13 Child Have the Papists any more Commandments Father Yes Child They have six Commands more which they call the six Commandments of the Church which are 1. To keep all Sundays and such Holy-days as are appointed by hearing Mass and forbearing to work 2. To keep Abstinence and Fasting-days appointed that is to fast Lent such Vigils as are commanded Ember-days Fridays and Saturdays 3. To confess our Sins once a Year to a Priest 4. To communicate once a year and that about the time of Easter 5. To pay Tiths 6. Not to solemnize Marriage at forbidden times and to these they say as well as unto Gods is promised the Reward of eternal Life Child Sir you have shewed me the true Doctrine of Faith which I must profess and in some measure opened and expounded the ten Commandements the Rule of Life I pray Sir proceed and instruct me how to perform the Duty of Prayer And first pray tell me Have we any Rule for Prayer Father Yes The Lord Christ hath given us a full one When you pray say Our Father c. Luc. 11.2 Wherein there is a Preface or Entrance into Prayer in the first words Our Father which art in Heaven A Body of Petitions containing the Matter of Prayer in the words following A Conclusion for confirmation and close of Prayer in the last words For thine is the Kingdom c. Child What doth the Preface put us in mind of Father Of him to whom we pray teaching us that God and God onely is to be prayed unto Call upon me in the day of trouble I will deliver thee and thou shalt glorifie me Psal 50.15 Child How many Petitions be there in the Lord's Prayer Father Six equally divided as it were into two Tables whereof three do concern God as doth the first Table of the Law three do concern our selves and our Neighbours as doth the second Table for in the three first we make Requests for those things that concern God's Majesty whose Glory and Service we are to prefer before our own Good In the three latter for those things that concern the Necessity of man and our own Welfare which we must must refer to the former Child What is the Conclusion of this Prayer Father For thine is the Kingdom c. The sum whereof is that we ground our Assurance of obtaining our Prayers in God from whom all things we ask do come and to whom therefore all Glory must return Child You have shewed me the Protestant Doctrine of Prayer do not the Papists teach the same Father No Child They teach that Prayers themselves ex opere operato or by the natural Work it self do prevail for it is not say they essential to Prayer for a man to think particularly of what he says nay 't is not necessary to the Essence of Prayer that he who prays should think of the speaking it self so that Prayers in the mouth of a Papist are like the words of a Charmer they prevail even when they are not understood so that with them Attention to or Devotion in Prayer is not necessary If the outward work be done the Church in satisfied and yet this the Lord Christ sharply reproves in the Jews This People draweth nigh unto me with their Mouths and honoureth me with their Lips but their Heart is far from me But in vain do they worship me c. Mat. 15.8.9 So that between the Protestants and the Papists the difference herein is this They pray with their Lips we with the Heart we pray with the Understanding they with the Voice we pray and they say Prayers Child Do they teach any other Doctrines concerning Prayers Father Yes They teach the People to pray with Beads and they have Books to direct them the Psalter of our Lady is 150 Ave-maries and at
pray Sir what do we Protestants hold concerning the Law Father We hold that the moral Law commands the perfection of Godliness and Righteousness and directs us in our duties to God and Man Ye shall observe to do therefore as the Lord your God hath commanded you you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left Deut. 5.32 Child I pray Sir proceed now to the Commandments in particular as they were delivered by Moses and shew me first what we Protestants teach and then what the Church of Rome teaches concerning them Father I shall do it readily The first Commandment is Thou shalt have no other Gods before me and our Protestant Doctors teach that this Jehovah one in Substance and three in Persons the Creator and Governour of all things and the Redeemer of his People is to be entertained for the only true God in all the powers of the Soul and so Christ opens it Matt. 22.37 Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy Heart and with all thy Soul and with all thy Mind Child Doth not the Church of Rome expound it so Father No. The Church of Rome teaches to make more Gods than one they pray to the Saints whereby they make them Gods in giving this Divine Property unto them to know the Heart They call the Virgin Mary Queen of Heaven and say she is a Goddess and pray to her to command her Son to help them Nay they make the Pope a God they call him Our Lord God the Pope and they are more careful to obey his commands than the commands of God Child What is the meaning of the second Command Thou shalt not make to thy self any graven Image nor any Likeness of things in Heaven c. Father The meaning of this Commandment is to bind all men to that solemn Form of religious Worship which God himself in his Word prescribeth that we serve him not according to our Fancies but according to his Will What thing soever I command you observe to do it thou shalt not add thereto nor diminish from it Deut. 12.32 Child How do the Papists expound this Command Father They leave it quite out of their Catechisms because 't is so plain against their Image-worship and they divide the tenth into two to make up the number Child What Worship do they give to Images Father The same Worship they give to those whose Image it is as they worship the holy Trinity and Christ so they worship the Images of the Trinity and of Christ Child Did not the Heathens thus worship their Images Father Yes The Papists say they worship their Images with a relative Worship and so did the Heathens and indeed an Image cannot be worshipped with any other Worship Nor does the commandment forbid any other Worship for it is a contradiction to say this is the Image of God and yet this is God and therefore it must be also a contradiction to worship an Image with any other Worship for then it must be that the Image of a thing is that thing whose Image it is But they go yet a little farther the Image of the Cross they worship with divine Honour and though this divine Worship is but relative yet the Cross it self is worshipped terminatively with divine Adoration now if this be not Idolatry I can never be told what is the notion of the word If there can be Idolatry in the Worship of an Image it is certain that a relative divine Worship is this Idolatry for no man that worships an Image can make the Image the last Object either therefore the Heathens were not Idolaters in the worshiping of an Image or else these men are Child What is the sum of the third Command Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord c. Father The Sum of this Command is That we impeach not but by all means advance the glorious name of God in all things whereby he maketh himself known to men Give unto the Lord the Glory due unto his Name worship the Lord in the beauty of Holiness Psal 29.2 Child How do the Papists keep this Command Father They teach that 't is lawful to swear by the Saints and in their common talk they cry out O Lord O Jesu They use the Word Jesu thirty times together and this they take for a peice of Devotion And the Pope dispenseth with all Oaths at his pleasure and teaches that Faith is not to be kept with Hereticks Child What is the meaning of the fourth Command Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day Father It challengeth at the hand of every man one day of seven in every Week and requireth all Persons to separate themselves from their ordinary Labour and all other Exercises that they may attend to the worship of God only Child How do the Papists expound this Command Father They make the Popes Holy dayes equal with the Lords Sabbath and they are more zealous for the Observation of them for they will be sure to keep them but the Sabbath they usually spend in playing at Cards Dice and Tables Child What is the meaning of the fifth Command Honour thy Father and thy Mother c. Father That the Quality of mens Persons and Places in what Estate soever Natural Civil or Ecclesiastical be truly acknowledged and respected for it requires the Performance of all such Duties as one man oweth unto another Render to all their dues Tribute to whom Tribute is due Custom to whom Custom Fear to whom Fear Honour to whom honour Rom. 13.7 Child How do the Papists keep this Commandment Father They disannul it in giving freedom and immunity to to their Clergy from subjection to Civil Authority and in dispensing with Subjects for their Loyalty and Allegiance to their Lawful Princes and with Children and Servants from yielding due help service and obedience to their Parents and Masters Child What is the summe and meaning of the sixth Commandment Thou shalt not murder Father That the Life and Person of man be by man not impeached but preserved Surely the Bloud of your Lives will I require At the hand of every mans Brother will I require the Life of man Gen. 9.5 Child How do the Papists keep this Commandment Father They have Houses of Refuge which they call Sanctuaries wherein Murderers live in Safety They hold it meritorious to poyson or stab any man for the advancement of the Catholick Cause and 't is a Position with them though a damnable one That Princes excommunicate by the Pope may be murdered by their Subjects Child What is the meaning of the seventh Commandment Thou shalt not commit Adultery Father That all Uncleanness and Impurity be avoided and Chastity by all means preserved Having these Promises let us cleanse our selves from all filthiness of the Flesh and Spirit perfecting holiness in the Fear of God 2 Cor. 7.1 Child How do the Papists keep this Command Father They give Divorces for Marriages in the fourth degree and