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A10909 An answere vnto a wicked & infamous libel made by Christopher Vitel, one of the chiefe English elders of the pretended Family of Loue maintaining their doctrine, & carpingly answeringe to certaine pointes of a boke called the displaing of the Fam. Aunswered by I. Rogers. Rogers, John, fl. 1560-1580.; Vitell, Christopher, fl. 1555-1579. 1579 (1579) STC 21180; ESTC S116065 74,007 215

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gulfe of mischiefe and then to shew some reason that moued you to forsake that opinion and imbrace this absurde impietye of HN. which so gréedely you haue chosen to satisfie your hunger and you call it life and saluation The two writers wil the Lord assisting vs verefie continuall●e that in no po●nte we haue slaundered you nor your minister HN. And we refer the iudgement therof vnto the louers of truth which shal indifferently vew the reasons allegation● on both sides without partiality As for the horrible blasphemye against the Lord wherwith you bitterly charge vs we deny y we haue committed any such haynous offence against ●od whose reuerent name we adore with all humility and vntil you can prooue vs such blasphemers you wil remayne in the sight of all God his children an impudent lyar and a slaunderer You are one of those illuminate ●lders which keepe all the cōmaundementes of God and commit no sinne but now it doth appeare of what spirit you are with what spirite you are led Can not your cause be maintayned without such contumelious and impudent speach he that is a blasphemer of God is without hope of mercy Many Diuines haue studiously sought what the sin of blasphemy is but you haue with greate ease found out the same to be who so speaketh or wryteth againste HN. or his famely must he needes be a blasphemer Temper your humors with more modesty for shame els men wil thinke that your HN. hath published that of you which cannot be found in you which is that when you are reuiled taunted or bitterly vsed you as lambes in patience bear the same you do euil verefie your authors words It is all out of ignorant blindenes what we haue done as you say are al blind and ignorant that speak against your pretended family then are there many blinde and ignorant in y world but I dout your great sight which you prophetically make a shew of in thi● libell will declare very notablye your blindnes though you brag very often of your sight I would with all youre sight you saw rightly into your selues thē should you perceiue that your new couenāt of perfectiō which you dream of is a moere illusion of Sathan and no where to be found in the holy scriptures Vitell. IN asmuch as it hath pleased the Lord of his gratious goodnes to make manifest vnto me as most vnworthy through his most holy seruice of loue in misunderstanding ignorance error so haue I humbled my selfe before the Lord and his Minister HN. as the greatest sinner among sinners desiring the Lord that he of his goodnes woulde extend his mercy ouer me and forgeue me al my offences wherein I had liued contrary to his commaundementes lawes and ordinaunces so that the Lord at his time when he sawe it good through his grace released me out of my calamitye and also made manifest vnto me through his most holy seruice of Loue and his elected minister HN. his promises which he made with Abraham where through he will blesse all the generatiōs of the earth and also how when and wherein they are fulfilled c. Aunswere H●re is expressed the maner of this mans conuersion and how he came to be of the Familye of Loue wherein are many shewes of piety and humility requisite in a Christian but where he sa●th he humbled himselfe be●ore the Lord and his cle●ed m●nister HN. therein he bewrayeth himselfe we are taught in all our troubles to call vpon the lord Innoca me in die tribul●tionis 〈◊〉 ▪ to humble our selues before the Lo●d it is good and conuenient but before HN. what warrant haue you so to do why ioine you HN. and God together in ●our humiliation I will not crye out no you doe that this is blasphem●e yet I tell you it is not Christianlyke spoken I know not how you will qu●li●ie this your speach you say that the Lo●de when he saw it good released you of all offence● wherein you had liued contrary to his commaundements but now being released doe you sinne any mo●e ●f you would speake plainlye as you haue vttered your repentaunce so now resteth that you should also speake of your perfection and of the state wherein you now stand For that is the matter that we would haue you to be playne in but that is concealed and kept secret least your lybertye should be espyed ●ou say further that through the seruice of Loue and his elect minister HN. all the promises made vnto ●braham how when and where they are fulfilled and made manyfest vnto you And I pray you could you not imbrace the promise made vnto Abraham without HN. are not the scriptures sufficient to manifest the same without him surely this is great pitye that you extoll your Aucthor so aboue measure the Prophets haue written thereof Christ and his Apostles haue opened to vs how when and where those promises are fulfilled sufficētly ●f HN. had neuer written Vitell. MOreouer there was made manifest vnto me through the same seruice of Loue and the Lords minister HN. the comming agayne of Christ with his sayntes and his righteous iudgement wherein he will iudge the world with mercye and faythfulnes and erect agayne his righteousnes and euen so acōplish all whatsoeuer he hath spoken through the mouthes of his seruauntes the Prophets from the beginning of the world according to his promises Aunswere NOw you affirme that there is made manifest to you the comming agayne of Christ with his sayntes c. but because you ad not in the resurrection wée are doubtfull what you meane by the comming agayne of Christ least you vnderstand it a comming in this lyfe Because you adde that there shall be accomplished whatsoeuer hath bene spoken by the Prophets from the beginning ●f you had ben a true Christian you needed not HN. to manifest these thinges they are sufficiently opened to vs in the holy historye by his beloued Apostle Paule yf you had stayed your selfe with their manifestatiō you should not haue looked for your HN. to make knowen the same but it is to be doubted by your speach that you meane some other comming of Christ in this lyfe and not when he shall come at the general day of Christ his second comming when he shall come with glory maiesty and powre to iudge the world with righteousnes You affirme that then he shall accomplish whatsoeuer he spake by the Prophets from the beginning The Prophets spake as they were commaunded to kingdomes and Cityes certefying of the destruction determined and the captiuities whereunto the people should be ledde many of their Prophesyes confirmed the comming of Christ c. which are alredy come to passe Your meaning I doubt of but I will not take you so short nor hunt for any aduauntage of wordes but I tell you playne your speach is very doubt●ull Vitel. NOw whē the Lord of his goodnes had ●eleased me out of my blindne● and opened mine eyes th●̄ saw