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An answer to a letter of a Iesuit named Tyrie, be Iohne Knox; Answer to a letter of a Jesuit named Tyrie.
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Knox, John, ca. 1514-1572.
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is there is continuall succession of doctrine and that the selfsame which is preached now hes bene taugh in all ages This we affirme is a moste impudent lie For now of late yeares it hath bene taught and of the people receaued that the Messe was a â—acrifice propitiatorie for the sinnis of the quick the dead That the Pape was the head of y â— Kirk such other heades of moste heretical doctrine approued in the Papisticall Kirk Wâ—ich heades we affirme wer vnknoweÌ„ in the age of the Apostles or yet of the Fathers that immediately followed them And for the probation thereof we desyre their wrytingis to be produced euer beginning at them who wer appointed of God to preache and to plant the veritiâ— in the world We are not bound to crâ—dite whatsoeuer the Fathers haue spoken But our faith as is befoir said is buylded vpon the sure Rock Iesus Christ and vpoÌ„ the fundatioun of the Apostles and Prophetes So far as any Fathers aggre therewith we reuerently do imbrase it But if the Fathers haue affirmed any thing with out the warrand of the written word of y e Eternall our God To whose only voce the sheap of his pasture ar bound It is as laughfull to vs to reiect that which proceadeth from man and not from God as it is easie to them to affirme it Maister Tyrie may know that we vse the wordes of the Ancientis It appeareth to vs be the hole progres of Maister Tyries letter that he and his factioun can acknowledge no Kirk which in all ages hes not bene visible to the eyes of men hauing lykwise a visible succession For first he affirmes that the Kirk whereof the Prophet Isaias speakes should be manifest and visible through all the world And heare last he alledgeth that we can cum in no place where we sall not find that Religion spred at the least in many persones And thereof he concludes that if we can not proue the lyke of our Religion It followis that it is not the trew Religion If Maister Tyrie recant not this assertioÌ„ he must correct his crede Aud where vniuersally befor we vse to say credo sanctam ecclesiam c. He must say video sauctam ecclesiam For if there be no kirk vpon the face of the earth but that which is visible and thâ—t which may be shawen first be certane notes external then superfluous and vane it wer to vs to say I beleue the holy Kâ—rk vniuersall but confideÌ„tly we might affirme I see y â— holy kirk If Master Tyrie will say we may bothe se beleue and be our sight our Faith may be strengthned For Thomas saw y â— wouÌ„des in the handes 〈◊〉 and syde of Christ Iesus and beleued and so may we se the Kirk and yet beleâ—e it If we should graÌ„t so far to Mâ—ister Tyrie yet wer his argument nothing helped For the question is not whether that we may notiâ—ie those thinges that we ar bound to beleleue But the question is if that we are not bound to beleue those thingeâ— which somtymes ar vtterly 〈◊〉 from the external senses of men Mâ—â—ster Tyrie will acknowledge no kirk except that which hes bene and is visible We in the coÌ„trare acknowledge and reuerence the spous of Chiist Iesus somtymes exyled from the world receauing somtymes the wynges of an Egle that she may fle to the wyldernes Whereof God and not of man she hath her place prepared We reuerence her w t doeth complane that she hath bene desolate barrane a captiue and a wanderer to and fro That spous of Iesus Christ brages so lytle of her succession visible to maÌ„nes eyes that she is reft in admiration who should haue nurished her Children during the tyme of her baniwement If master Tyrie be so well sene in the ancient Wryters as in his wryting he wold shaw him self to be then can he not be ignoraÌ„t that it is not without great caus that the holy Goste hath taught vs to say I beleue the holy Kirk vniuersall To wit becaus that oftentymes it is that the Kirk militaÌ„t is so afflicted Yea the bewtie thereof is so obscured to the most part of the worlde that the Synagoge of Sathan vsurpes the tytle of the trew Kirk and Babilone is preferred to Ierusalem So that the elect are compelled to compleane and say We sâ— not our owen signes now is there no Prophet any moir amonges vs. Let the dayes of Helyas and his coÌ„plaint witnes whether that the Kirk of God is alwayes so visible that it may be pointed furth w t the finger of man Thus we wryte shortly to giue occasion to Maister Tyrie and to such as are blinded with that errour moir deaply to considder that artickle of their beleue and not so rashely to condempne such as God of his mercy calles froÌ„ darknes to light Now to the rest of his letter TYRIES LETTER THair is sum I knaw perchance for laik outher of gude discourse or wit measures the veritie of the thing thay follow be the warldly succes thay haue in the following of it Bot surely I caÌ„ not esteme zow to be of that rank and gif ze wer I wald exhort zow to reid amangis the rest the seuintene and twa Psalme and y e hundreth fourtie and thre Psalme Quhairby ze wil easily vnderstand that nouther the prosperous succes of zour part in warldly thinges I mene preifis it that ze follow to be of veritie nor zit our decay and aduersitie makis our part to be conuicted ze rather the mater being considderit as it aught to be zour prosperitie is rather a manifest argument of Goddis wraith nor of ony treuth of veritie For it is said be ane godly haly and cunning man ane xj hundreth zeir by past Quod nihil infelicius felicitate peccantium quia penalis nutritur impunitas mala voluntas velut interior hostis roboratur c. ANSWER WE might haue passed by this parcell without answer becaus that nothing in it conceaued iustly can be laid to our charge For our warldly felicitie prosperitie rest nether is nether yet hes bene at any tyme sence we haue imbrased the Euangel of Iesus Christ suche as may nurishe vs in wickednes nether yet are the Papists able to coÌ„uict vs of such impietie as all the world know hath roung among them of mo yeares then an huÌ„dreth thrise told And in the meane tyme to what honour and worldly dignitie they are ascended we mak them selues iudges If they say the dâ—ctrine which we teach is wondrously spred within this huÌ„dreth yeares So that now it hes almoste red y â— self furth of bondage We wold demand of the Papistes if the â—uangell of Iesus Christ ceased to be the doctrine of Saluation what tyme the Kiâ—kis gat rest in Iudea and elles where in the dayes of the Apostles If they answer y â— they meane
so we procead to the conclusion of his letter ¶ TYREIS LETTER QVhairfoir Schir I exhort yow as I begouth to think on this mater as deiply as it becuÌ„mis a Christiane man and quhen ze haue swa done aduertise me of zour sentiment In the meane tyme I sall pray almichtie God be his grace to illuminat zour spreit to knaw in this mater yâ— richt way and to gif fortitude and strenth quhen ze haif knawin it to profes it sa far as salbe conuenient to zour estate and saluatioun hauing na farther occasioun of wryting committis zow to the protectiouÌ„ of Almichtie God Writtin at Paris the vj. of December be zour maist humbill Seruitour and brother IAMES TYRIE ¶ Gif ze pleis to answer ze may send zour wryting to the Baillie of Arroll quha will caus it to be send to me ANSWER AGainst this exhortation wil we obiect nothing For our ernest desyre is that men diligently considder what doctrine they imbrase what fundation and ground their faith hes and finally what way they follow thinking thereby to atteane to eternall felicitie For this careles securitie that vniuersally may be espyed in meÌ„ we dampne and euer haue dampned But this we feare not to affirme as before we haue written that the doctrine of the Papisticall Kirk now many yeares bypast hath bene altogether corrupt that their opinioÌ„ which they call their Catholick faith hes no sure ground within the word of God And that the way which they for y â— moste part haue followed was the verray way of perdition to all suche as without trew repentance departed this lyfe in y â— blindnes And much more shal be to all persons and estates that now shal manteane those abhominationes becaus the light is come and hes sufficiently declared the â—ormer darknes That man of sin is so manifestliâ— reueled that excuse of ignorance there resteth none But a fearefull iudgement abydes all such that yet farther will follow his dampnable wayes This Schir ye haue our iudgement which albeit ye shall receaue laitter then we wold yet the state of tyme being considdered we dout not but ye shall interprete all thinges to the best Vse our letter so we pray yow that it may come to the knowledge of the wryter to yow whose coÌ„uersion we no les seak then he appeares to seak youres And thus we hartly commit yow to the protection of the Omnipotent Of Edinburgh the 10. day of August Anno Do. 1568. TO THE FAITHFVLL REAEDR WHAT malice Inuy and heatrent of the treuth hes moued men to brust furth against me my behauour in Scotland Ingland and elles where I lytle regarde For a good coÌ„science susteanes me before my God against all y e odious lies that haue bene laide to my charge now many yeares past For the whiche I dout not but the blaspheamers shall answer onles repentance preuene Iudgement when the secreates of heartes shal be disclosed The caus that I adde this imperfyte letter to y e former discourse is That they whome Sathan hath not blinded by inuy may see and vnderstand what a troubled conscience craues into the day of battell Becaus that God now in his mercy hath put end to y e battell of my deare Mother Maistres Elizabeth Bowes before that hâ— put end to my wretched lyfe I could not cease but declare to the worlde what was the caus of our great familiaritie and long acquentance Whiche â—as nether fleshe nor bloode but a troubled conscieÌ„ce vpoÌ„ hir part which neuer suffered her to rest but when she was in the company of the faithful of whome fra the first hearing of the word at my mouth she iudged me to be one Now seing her battell is ended I am vpoÌ„ the point shortly to follow this I leaue to the posteritie for discharge of my conscience and to the instruction of her children That in Scotland Ingland France and Germanie I haue heard the complaintes of diuers that feared God but of the lyke conflict as she susteyned fra the tyme of her first acquentance and long before as her owen mouth ofter theÌ„ ones confessed to me til this hour I haue not knowen For her tentation was not in the fleshe nor for any thing that appertey ned to fleshe no not when she was in greatest desolation but it was in spirite For Sathan did continually buffette her y t remission of sinnes in Christ Iesus apperteyned nothing vnto her be reason of her former Idolatrie and other iniquities For the which notwithstanding any worldlie comfort I haue sene her not for a starte but in long coÌ„tinuance powre furth teares and send to God dolorous coÌ„plaints ofter then euer I heard man or woman in my lyfe Her company to me was coÌ„fortable yea honorable and profitable for she was to me and myne a Mother but yet it was not without some Croce For besydes trouble and fasherie of body susteyned for her my mynde was seldome quyet for doing somewhat for the coÌ„fort of her troubled conscience Whereof this rude letter is the least and of basest argument amongs many â—hich ly besyde me and so must do be reason of my inabilitie in mo sortes then one I hartly salute take my goodnight of all the faithfull in bothe the Realmes earnestly desyring y e assistance of their prayers that without any notable sclander to the Euangell of Iesus Christ I may end my battell For as the worlde is wearie of me so am I of it Of Sanctandrois the 12. of Iulij 1572. IOHNE KNOX ¶ Lord be mercyful to England Scotland for we stand bothe in a dangerous estate and that becaus we wold not obey thy holesome admonitionis whiche wer thyne how contemptable that euer the persones of thy Messingers wer Yet Lord remember mercy for thy treuthes saik Amen Amen And giue vs not to the opprobrie of thy enemies of whome the Castell of Edinburgh are the principales within this Realme Conuert them Lord or elles confound them that the worlde may oneâ— agane vnderstand that thow art a trew a righteous God Amen Amen Amen FOLLOWETH THE LETter as it past from my hand at Deip the 20. of Iulij 1554. TO HIS LOVING MOTER MAISTRES Elizabeth Bowes troubled in spirite whome God comfort for his great mercyes sake Amen PSALME 79. RYSE LORD STREACHE out thy hand forget not the sobbes of the oppressed RIGHT dearely beloued Mother in our Sauiour Iesus Christ now is our dolour appointed by God and forespokeÌ„ by his Prophetes come vpon vs as the dolour of a woman in the birth of her first Chylde and so is it come as with your eares bothe oppenly and priuately oftentymes yow haue hard declared When I remember your great infirmitie and the strong battel that continually ye feght calles to my mynd how small coÌ„fort yow haue in earth I am compelled to â—ob and grone to him that only may giue streÌ„gth comfort and consolation without help of any creature